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ClassicComics
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posted June 21, 2008 11:12 PM      Profile for ClassicComics   Email ClassicComics   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just wanted to see if:

1st anyone had a recommendation on a matching center speaker for my Voice Of The Theater speakers for my theater.

2nd I would be interested in purchasing a single matching VOTT A7 speaker or a recommended matching alternative. I am located in Georgia if anyone is in the area and has something for sale.

Thanks!!

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posted June 22, 2008 12:01 AM      Profile for GM     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From a technical and sonic POV only an A7-500 (or whatever variant you have) will match up, though depending on the XO point to the subs used, you may get by with an 816 cab, which if nothing else is easier to DIY if need be.

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posted June 22, 2008 09:33 PM      Profile for Steve Mac   Author's Homepage   Email Steve Mac   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by ClassicComics:
Just wanted to see if:

1st anyone had a recommendation on a matching center speaker for my Voice Of The Theater speakers for my theater.
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Thanks!!


Hey comic...are the horns in your system 511s or 811s?

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posted June 23, 2008 09:10 AM      Profile for analog addict   Email analog addict   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I know someone with an extra A-7 of some type, I'll see if he's interested. He lives in the DC area....
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posted June 23, 2008 09:26 AM      Profile for similost   Email similost   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm the person Analog Addict mentioned.

I have a single 810 cab with a 811 horn, coupled to a 902C driver. The LF is a 803A, and it has the N-500 network divider...

This is a very uncommon Altec to find, and is in original unmolested condition. I removed this myself from behind a movie screen in a theatre that was closed in the 70's. The drivers are dated 1955

At the moment I am using it in my garage, but starting to crave floorspace more than the speaker, since I've got a pair in my livingroom I listen too more. This speaker sounds great, and cabinet is in nice condition considering age. The drivers are in excellent condition.

If you are interested, let me know.. I have pictures I can send.

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posted June 23, 2008 09:30 AM      Profile for similost   Email similost   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here's a link to a photo of it..

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dc-duo/1848783976/

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posted June 23, 2008 02:49 PM      Profile for GM     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmm, the horn scales in the photo as a 511, which makes sense for a N-500 network and the period correct driver would be an 802C, so does it actually have 902C stamped on it? Also, WRT the 810 cab, I wonder if it was originally in another venue before the one you retrieved it from since by at least '54 the 825 had superseded it. Even more interesting is that it appears to be tuned much lower than the period standard, what with the tacked on looking vent duct shelf. Does it go all the way across the top of the opening also?

Regardless, this is by far the earliest mating of a 511 horn/500 Hz XO to a 800 series cab for a cinema/prosound app I'm aware of. I wonder too if the black painted horn interior was factory done as all factory green horns I've seen were the same inside and out and all cinema apps had either some shade of matte gray or black to minimize reflections back through the screen.

Since the 511 has a more focussed dispersion than the 811 and the implied lower vent tuning, was it part of a multi-channel system or a single in a very small cinema?

TIA,

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posted June 23, 2008 03:05 PM      Profile for similost   Email similost   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My mistake. It's an 802C driver. It is a 811 horn. The baffle around it makes it look larger. I've got a pair of 511s in my house.

The horn is all green, it just appears black because of lighting and the angle.

As far as I know, this was placed in the theater new. The amps I got with it (motiograph) had altec repair/certified stickers on them from 56. The speaker and cabinet is all factory from best I can tell. Nothing looks to be modified, or repainted.

This came out of a very small venue theater, from a small town in Virginia. It was a single speaker, hooked to a mono system.

As far as the port, the shelf goes only across the bottom as you see with the padding on it. The rest is open up to the back of the LF driver.
Also, I could be wrong, it could be an 800 divider.. just been so long since I looked at it.. All I do is listen to it, and move stuff around it in my garage, so, I could stand to get some floorspace back.

It is a really great sounding speaker. I've got a Utah in a custom corner cab that I also have in the garage, so I could stand to lose one, and since this one would be more desirable to a collector..

[ June 23, 2008 03:13 PM: Message edited by: similost ]

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posted June 23, 2008 04:07 PM      Profile for GM     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Interesting, I usually have no trouble scaling off a screen pic and I have numerous off axis pics of green horns and they look nothing like yours. Not questioning you of course, just really surprised. Anyway, the 811 makes more sense for the period with the network bound to be an 800 Hz one. Even with just a single padded shelf, its tuning will be somewhat lower than the norm. Whoever designed or tweaked the system in place knew what they were doing, so have no doubt it sounds quite good, not to mention it's highly collectible, what with a tweaked 810 well after the introduction of the A7's 825 cab.

Wish I had the $$$/space for a separate mono system..........

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posted June 23, 2008 04:16 PM      Profile for similost   Email similost   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've got the motiograph gear at some guy's place to have it looked at and repaired if needed. I've got the power supply, the pre amp, and the amp. I really wished I would get it back soon, I'd like to hear it all hooked up...

You might be shocked how little you can get into something like this... if you look hard and dilligently.. Allan can attest to that with his **** of a great simplex score.. but I got him beat way hands down for cheapenss

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posted June 23, 2008 06:36 PM      Profile for analog addict   Email analog addict   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by similost:
I've got the motiograph gear at some guy's place to have it looked at and repaired if needed. I've got the power supply, the pre amp, and the amp. I really wished I would get it back soon, I'd like to hear it all hooked up...

You might be shocked how little you can get into something like this... if you look hard and dilligently.. Allan can attest to that with his **** of a great simplex score.. but I got him beat way hands down for cheapenss


Hey, Just remember who turned you onto that score!....

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posted June 23, 2008 10:06 PM      Profile for ClassicComics   Email ClassicComics   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Steve Mac - I honestly don't remember if they are 811s or 511s. I have had them for some time, and can't recall... and I can't get to them easily at the moment. I have them (and everything else) piled up in my pool table room while I finish re-doing the theater...

analog addict - I might be interested, I guess it depends on the price. I was really hoping to find someone more in my area (Georgia/Florida/Carolinas - maybe farther if the price was right and I could make a weekend trip -DC is pretty far though...) as shipping on these big speakers can't be cheap....

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posted June 23, 2008 10:16 PM      Profile for bfish     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
CC- The horns pictured in your HT thread are 511s.

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posted June 23, 2008 10:43 PM      Profile for Steve Mac   Author's Homepage   Email Steve Mac   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
511s...darn I should be able to spot these more easily...thanks bfish.

CC:...I would say that the cabinet similost has looks beautiful and seems perfect for what you are looking for. I understand the distance problem though. But it's a mid 50s cab...an 810 with the wings... That is downright cool...

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Note that 810s either have the same or 'close enough' to the same horn as the parallel wall 816, making them an easy 'clone' since the rest of the cab is basically an 825.

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posted July 02, 2008 10:30 PM      Profile for ClassicComics   Email ClassicComics   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just wanted to let everyone know that I am still looking for another A7 VOTT speaker for my theater. I may have found another forum member who is willing to split a pair with me, so if anyone is selling a pair, please let me know that too....

I am keeping an eye on Ebay and Craigslist... problem with Craigslist is if you put Altec in as a search word a ton of computer speakers come up that you have to wade through... plus if someone just lists them as speakers with no name, I would probably miss those too....

Anyway... let me know if you are selling some or see any for sale....

THANKS!!

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posted July 07, 2008 09:27 PM      Profile for scott in nc     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey CC,
couple of empties on CL in chester Va, and a complete set in Williamsburg Va. Williamsburg might not be complete anymore, sounded like he wants them gone. not affiliated but might work out. good luck.
williamsburg are 811 horns, but 511s are pretty easy to come buy, or trade for! good luck.
scott in nc

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Dunno if you are still looking, but this has serious "funk factor".

http://cgi.ebay.com/ALTEC-A-7-VOICE-OF-THE-THEATRE-SPEAKER-SYSTEM_W0QQitemZ160262708964QQihZ006QQcategoryZ119019QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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posted July 23, 2008 05:29 PM      Profile for ClassicComics   Email ClassicComics   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Scott in NC - thanks for looking out - I'll see if those are still around and take a look....

OG - yeah, I saw this and am "watching" it on Ebay. I know I'll have to switch the horn out though as it is an 811. Any chance this uses the same driver as the 511?

Also, is that the woofer that comes in most of the A7's? Or is there a standard for this?

Lastly - what's with the opening in the bottom of the cabinet? Is that in fact an older version as mentioned by the lister, or did someone modify this cabinet? I wouldn't imagine it would be that hard to modify to make it match....

I know you were just pointing this out, but I was planning on coming on here and asking these questions anyway, so thanks for the opportunity.

I thought I'd found something here in Georgia on CL - but when I inquired about the pair of A7's the reply I got was: "these cabs are custom-made to Altec specs, and well-used. Sound great! have Altec 421 woofers, 511-size Peavey horns with atlas drivers. Summary: they look old, they sound great!"

Which doesn't sound like it would be what I am looking for.... I asked him about the cabs and he just replied while I was typing this as a matter of fact and said they are made from 3/4" plywood and would be willing to just sell me the cabs. I am going to ask for pics and see what they look like - maybe post them here. The 421 Altec woofers - were these put in A7's?

THANKS!!!

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posted July 23, 2008 06:43 PM      Profile for bfish     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There were literally dozens of variations of what most folks refer to as A7s over the ~50 year production span. All that matters for your purpose of a matching center channel is the "matching" part, i.e. same cabinet configuration, horn, drivers, and XO as the ones you already have.

The wait for a matching unit to appear locally could be a very long one. Most folks would just buy the right parts separately and "get 'er done". So the box has a different reflex port? No biggie, remove it an make another.

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quote:
1st anyone had a recommendation on a matching center speaker for my Voice Of The Theater speakers for my theater.
Well; the best thing would be an Identical A-7.
Even though the A-7 the A-8 A-5 and the others
sound overall the same there are slight nuances between them. You could RTA them to sound the same.
But with out that equipment even an increase in padding can make a significant difference in the sound projected.

I don't recommend 12" go for similar components
in a same volume cabinet perhaps.

But again a third A-7 is your best bet . It's straight technology with no messing around stuff.

I'm quite strict when it comes to sound.

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posted July 23, 2008 08:19 PM      Profile for O G   Email O G   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi CC-

That should be an 802 driver- prolly "C" would be my guess.

Most likely an 803B speaker. The 803B and the 416A are for all intents and purposes the same speaker.

A really old gentleman, now deceased, told me that was done to avoid confusion with the multicells ending in 03 ie 1003.

That is correct porting for early A7's. IMHO modifying it would be sacrilege.

GM is better to ask regarding the HF horns, I am just not used to thinking of living room size systems. The driver should fit on a 511, but I would retain the original parts so the set could be put back.

HTH.

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posted July 23, 2008 10:08 PM      Profile for gamalot   Email gamalot   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From a purely Vintage point of view there is only two ways to get what you want.

Buy a real Altec cabinets and fill it with the correct Altec components!

Buy the real Altec components and put them into a real Altec cabinet!

Many of us here can build cabinets and possibly even better then the originals. We can all find the correct components to load our cabinets with but what we can't do is replicate true vintage Altec speakers no matter how hard we try or how good we build.

If you have a pair of real originals and need a match then you simply have to find the right one, or pair, to make it correct.

From a sound perspective you can certainly rig your gear to suit your needs and system and if done right it will be fine.

I believe the only real way to match an Altec or a pair is to find the exact original and there sure are plenty of them out here.

Do as you are doing and keep your eyes and ears open but unless you are willing to settle for something less, be patient.

We can build Altec speakers all day and every day and never end up with an Altec no matter how hard we try.

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quote:
Originally posted by gamalot:
From a purely Vintage point of view...

Well and good, but CC hasn't expressed an interest in "purely vintage".

Q; What's the difference between a 'vintage' painted, plywood box and a new one?

A; About a half gram of lead.

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posted July 24, 2008 08:10 PM      Profile for ClassicComics   Email ClassicComics   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ok, the local guy finally sent me some pics of the "A7's" he has for sale. He is willing to sell me just the cabs or the cabs and the 421a woofers (I am not interested in the non-altec horns). These look beat to sh*t - they would take a lot of work.... what do you think? Are they worth picking up as a project? What would you pay for them, just for the boxes, and maybe add in the woofers - assuming they are in decent shape? Remember these are supposedly "custom built" to Altec specs, so not only are they beat up - badly - but they are not original. Though I don't know how he knows this - if he built them or who he got them from told him this??? Plus side is they are local and I could just pick the up.... any and all thoughts welcome....



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