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Kelwarr
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posted August 01, 2006 05:43 PM

I also telegrammed Borishnakov outlining the referendum that I have written in regards to the composition of the senate, a referendum establishing a rotation of office, and a bill that would be designed to limit spamming of the regional message board. Now that the Luftwafflez invasion has ended, I think that we can put that through. I had it written at about that time, but adding that to the senate would have only provoked things. Now I think that it is safe to try to put that bill through.

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Borishnakov V
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posted August 01, 2006 05:59 PM

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Now that the Luftwafflez invasion has ended,...

Rule number one: Wik is persistent.

Rule number two: Never underestimate rule number one.

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Kelwarr
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posted August 01, 2006 07:57 PM

Didn't he time out of the game, though? I see him at work and, as far as I've been informed, he's stopped playing N.S.

Oh, and as a sort of aside (but not really, as this is an OOC chat), I just got more time at my job! Woohoo! I get more money! Oh, shoot... I have to work...

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posted August 01, 2006 08:15 PM

Wik no longer tries to draw attention anymore. He runs covert. In short, by his destruction, his pieces could have fallen anywhere.

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Kelwarr
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posted August 01, 2006 08:17 PM

That's sort of a creepy way of looking at things. I prefer to be optimistic and think that he won't bother us for a good while, if ever bothers us again. Although, that one atomic bomb guy does remind me of something he'd try and is kind of annoying.

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posted August 01, 2006 08:21 PM

Oh, Ahmadinejad of Iran. Yeah. He's a little... odd. He's been quiet this afternoon though, so I'm not sure what is going on there. It also wouldn't be surprising if he's using a codeword system. Wik has used several of those in the past. If he uses any old Wik codewords, I'll be sure to let whoever ends up being the minister of defense, as well as Libre immediately.

Speaking of Wik codes, if we start seeing any complete gibberish, I still have the means to decipher any old Wik codes.

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posted August 01, 2006 09:11 PM

Good. That will always be helpful. I'd just like to do some sort of quick vote on my anti-spam bill to pass it and be able to put him on trial and ban him. He's annoying.

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posted August 01, 2006 09:31 PM

I wouldn't be surprised to see him run before we can successfully ban him, and if AP gets his way on the Immigration bill, he'll probably try to have Libre impeached if he banned Ahmadinejad on the spot the next time he showed up, claiming Libre was "abusing power" and stuff. It's really tough to get stuff done.

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posted August 01, 2006 09:43 PM

I think if we can justify it, we don't have to worry about AP saying he's abusing power. If the law is spelled out and we can document each infraction, then we can show how we were justified and how Libre did not step outside of his bounds. But, I doubt that'd get that far. I'm sure he'd run before he got banned. And then I'm sure he'd return and cause more trouble. He'd probably also bring doubles, friends, or both.

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posted August 01, 2006 10:33 PM

By doubles you mean a terror cell.

and by friends you mean Wik and/or Kim Jong-Il.

Yes. You're absolutely right.

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posted August 01, 2006 11:19 PM

It doesn't really matter what he brings. The fact is, if he brought stuff it would be even more of a pain than it is now. At least for a bit we can breathe easier since he left for the Indian Ocean. Now, about that idea I had for a UN Office. It seems to be gaining support. I messaged a few people specifically and I've gotten some responses. What do you think about it, Bor?

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posted August 02, 2006 10:41 AM

The fact that Ahmadinejad of Iran fled to the Indian isn't much of an issue. The fact that he is now active in Blue is an issue.

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posted August 02, 2006 05:45 PM

There is no doubt regarding Unterseeboot's ties to Blue. Therefore, pursuant to ASB 1, he could be ejected. However, this would take a trial. But, pursuant to ASB 2, I could issue an executive order ejecting him if I had reason to believe he was being used to collect information or aid Wik's attempts to invade.

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posted August 02, 2006 06:24 PM

I think a way of building some interest in the senate would be to create a tentative docket. So far, we have 5 pieces of legislation that we could put through. If we created a docket and then telegrammed it to all the senators and then posted it on the board, we could possibly spark some interest or at least let all the senators know what to expect. If we could even put a date to the start of the voting for each one, that would make things even better. I have a possible tentative docket, but it would have to be approved by Borishnakov to be any good. Thus far, I can see the senate running something like this:

1) Immigration (Borishnakov)
2) Indian Ocean Treaty (Libre Arbitre)
3) Rotation of Office (Kelwarr)
4) Anti-Spam Bill (Kelwarr)
5) Senate Composition (Kelwarr)

Regardless of how the senate pans out, we will eventually get to number 5. And that referendum should come as late as possible.

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posted August 02, 2006 06:54 PM

Here's what I have for a docket/schedule. Note that I am not going to put any legislation on the docket that I have not been given yet.

1. Immigration Policy (Vote starts 8/4/06)
2. Indian Ocean - Aegean Sea NAP/Treaty (Begin debate 8/5/06)(tenatively)

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posted August 02, 2006 06:55 PM

Keeping in mind, Libre, that if you use any type of executive order, you're leaving a door open for AP to try claiming you're corrupt or dictatorial.

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posted August 02, 2006 07:04 PM

He's right. If you do any sort of executive order, you better meticulously document all the reasons why you are doing so, document all the constitutional passages giving you the power to do so, and buy a pair of earplugs.

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posted August 02, 2006 07:55 PM

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Originally posted by Kelwarr:
He's right. If you do any sort of executive order, you better meticulously document all the reasons why you are doing so, document all the constitutional passages giving you the power to do so, and buy a pair of earplugs.

Put more emphasis on that last piece of advice, and don't buy the cheap type.

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posted August 02, 2006 08:26 PM

I can give you a good set from my stash if you want some libre.

Bor, please respond to my pm that i sent you!!

Also, I find it interesting that you are linking Kim Jong Il with Ahmadinejad when no such connection has ever been suggested or hinted at.

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posted August 02, 2006 09:11 PM

I made the link because they're both power-hungry nutbags seeking nukes.

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posted August 03, 2006 04:22 PM

Reading Kelwarr's idea for a docket, I can agree on all except point 5. While I understand this is unofficial and a long way away, I would note that the issue of Senate reconfiguration is going to be contensious. Because of this, I think it best to get a vote on the bill that I will author removing the UN restriction from the Central Government first. Also, I will need time to review the bill, offer amendments to it, and seek the opinions of others. Therefore, I don't think we should schedual it at this time.

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posted August 03, 2006 08:13 PM

I agree with you there, Libre.

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posted August 03, 2006 10:30 PM

I just gave him the tentative bill. It's not entirely done, and I doubt many people will be happy with it. Honestly, the whole senate thing should be thrown out and redone. But, for a start, I just have a bill that builds upon what we already have. If the region held more interest, we could build a commitee in charge of rectifying the problem. The bigger problem is, though, that we don't have the interest to do so. I'm also placing the odds that this version of the bill will be defeated. AP will probably shred it, but that's to be expected. Eventually, we could perhaps try one of these commitees.

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posted August 03, 2006 10:36 PM

To be honest, I don't know why we shouldn't just do that right now. You said you gave a draft to Borishnakov. When he reads it, he can share his comments, and some preliminary changes can be made. However, I don't see how much is going to get done that way since AP and Naleren are the primary people pushing for the bill in the first place. I say, make a committe now. Let's put Borishnakov, Naleren, and AP on it, with you being the chair. Since the selection is diverse, all ideas can be expressed. Once a majority of the committe can agree, you can pass it on for a full senate vote. If AP and Naleren don't participate, they have no one to blame but themselves when senate reform doesn't happen.

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posted August 03, 2006 11:00 PM

I see the wisdom in forming a commitee, but I don't know how much will get done. I've already talked to Naleren and sent the issue on to him, but I have not had a response for several days. I'm guessing he's "confused" again.

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