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    Should Michael Jackson be Left Alone?

    I say yes. Why persecute the guy? Whoever shows up to stay with Michael does so at the parents consent.

    Years ago it appears that a family declined to press charges AFTER Jackson gave the family several million dollars. It appears that the family used the police system as leverage to get several million dollars from Michael, and then dropped the charges!

    The philosophical question is, can Michael Jackson be solely tried and convicted without trying the actual guardians who drove the kids to Michael's place in the first place?

    Either you prosecute the Parents and Michael, or you let everyone go. Singling out Michael is wrong.

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    It truly is dies nefastus (unlucky days) for
    poor ol'Jackson, isn't it? His biggest problem,
    I think, is that this ostensible freigeist
    (free spirit) persona he's been self-perpetuating
    for decades, is now so inveterate that it's
    becoming impossible to emancipate him out of
    it. He's become some kind of incongruous
    solopsist. He lives in an ammoral dream-world,
    and for that reason alone, I think he should
    finally be made to face the reality, of what
    is, for all intents and purposes, collectively
    condoned paedophilia.

    People posit that, should someone genuinely
    subversive like Oscar Wilde were around today,
    his actions (with underage boys) would have
    had him locked him away long before Dorien
    Gray raised its head.

    Jacko won't go to jail, of course, because
    rock/pop stars invariably don't nowadays, but
    even Jacko's (erstwhile?) makeshift PR guy,
    Yuri Gellar, recently said in a TV interview,
    that Jackson's bed would be the last place he
    would like to find *his* children sleeping in.

    Jackson is clearly troubled. I think that the
    least any judge can do, is to powder him with
    some sort of compulsory counselling. And knowing
    America, it'll probably be televised, so there-
    fore, we can all eventually get to the root of
    shadows which lurk between every line of the
    tabloid headlines.

    D.

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    Well, he does have an album coming out, could this be a publicity stunt? Rumor has it that the mom is simply out for revenge.

    Oh the timing of it all!

    You mentioned that Dorian Gray would have never been written because Mr. Wylde would have already been in jail before the tome would have been written were he alive today.

    How sad that some of the greatest works of all time in fact have come out of what may be deemed dysfunctional states of being. Sad in the sense that they would not have existed in any other circumstance.

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    For every one drug enduced artistic achievement, how many people got drugged up and "thought" they had a an artistic worthy adventure?

    Care to guess? (there is no right or wrong answer, just an opinon.)

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    I have no idea, mate. Maybe the figure is
    proportionately dependent on the inate talents
    of the individuals in question. A lot
    of albums made in the 60s - Sgt. Peppers, some
    Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, et al. - are claimed
    to be works which are unassailably impossible
    to produce - or reproduce for the matter - sans
    the influence of hallucinogenics. This maybe
    the case, but that doesn't necessarily make
    them worthwhile products - there are no facts,
    only interpretations, as Nietzsche once said; and
    this disposition, I think, can be held with
    regards to evaluating all forms of art.

    D.

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    'Well, he does have an album coming out, could this be a publicity stunt? Rumor has it that the mom is simply out for revenge.'

    I'm sure the latter scenerio is more plausable
    than the former. In the same documentary I
    mentioned in which Yuri was lamenting the his
    and Jacko's now-severed relationship (because
    it Yuri's idea to fix Jacko up with, what turned
    out to be a quite damaging interview with Bashier)
    Jacko's father was tracked down in Vegas: Joe
    is found living a fairly turgid life, making
    dodgy straight-to-video fodder. Therefore it
    wouldn't surprise me quite a few of Jacko's
    family are considerably bitter, and hence,
    capable of 'setting him up'.

    'You mentioned that Dorian Gray would have never been written because Mr. Wylde would have already been in jail before the tome would have been written were he alive today.'

    Well, Mr Wylde was shagging 15-year-old boys,
    which, I believe, is illegal in most Western
    countries nowadays.

    'How sad that some of the greatest works of all time in fact have come out of what may be deemed dysfunctional states of being. Sad in the sense that they would not have existed in any other circumstance.'

    This, of course, could be attributed to works
    of art that were created whilst under that
    effects of drugs, too?

    D.

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    Originally posted by DeviantD:
    A lot of albums made in the 60s - Sgt. Peppers, some Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, et al. - are claimed to be works which are unassailably impossible to produce - or reproduce for the matter - sans the influence of hallucinogenics.
    This maybe the case, but that doesn't necessarily make them worthwhile products?
    <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, the "Sgt Peppers" album was just voted the number one all time album by Rolling Stone magazine.

    Originally posted by DeviantD:
    - there are no facts, only interpretations, as Nietzsche once said; and this disposition, I think, can be held with regards to evaluating all forms of art.

    D.
    <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Did Nietzsche make that comment to intrepeted as a fact?

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    'Peppers is a great album from a song writing
    perspective, so hence it's understandable that
    it would win many populist votes, but I have two
    problems with it - and they're both inter-related:
    It's terrible produced - Martin made a complete
    dog's dinner of it; and secondly, because 'Peppers
    was produced - ostensibly - on a 4 track mixer,
    as a struggling musician during my formative
    years, when we (i.e. fellow band members) would
    book a demo-studio, the kiss of death (alias
    the signifier that its owner was ineffectual at
    best), would be when aforsaid owner would pre-empt
    proceedings with: 'Well, you know, Sgt. Peppers
    was recorded on a 4 track,' as if to justify
    his lacklustre set-up. There's nothing credible
    about this (because as I've stated, it's a
    terribly produced album), alas, the legacy remained
    until technology took over and empowered everyone
    with the (financial) ability to record from their
    bedrooms - and thank Zeus for that.

    'There are no facts..' is merely an aphorism,
    but a good point though.

    D.

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    I'd better run and hide then, I still like shooting Super-8 film way more than any digital format. [img]graemlins/camera.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/film.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/idea.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/shhh.gif[/img]

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    The technology, no matter how archaic it is,
    isn't the problem, it was more the boring
    predicatably of their (engineers) pre-excuses -
    in flagrante delicto we would invaribly either
    fall asleep or wish we had saved our pennies
    for a little while longer. There's nothing wrong
    with Super 8, or SLR photography for that matter,
    no matter how affordable decent digital cameras
    become - if I've been known to squandered entire
    days trying to get the right negative sandwiched
    composition [img]wink.gif[/img] .

    D.

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