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    The Essential Update!

    It's that time again as everyone who cares has been mostly lax over the past couple sets. We almost made some ground in finishing M11, but then those darned Scars previews hit. So, first I'm going to post the current decklist. Next, I'll summarize our conversation from M11. Then I'll add the saucy stuff from Scars.

    Behemoth Sledge
    Black Lotus
    Bosh, Iron Golem
    Chrome Mox
    Citanul Flute
    Crucible of Worlds
    Darksteel Colossus
    Etched Oracle
    Expedition Map
    Fellwar Stone
    Gilded Lotus
    Lotus Bloom
    Memory Jar
    Mind's Eye
    Mox Crystal
    Mox Diamond
    Mox Emerald
    Mox Jet
    Mox Pearl
    Mox Ruby
    Mox Saphire
    Nevinyrral's Disk
    Panoptic Mirror
    Scroll Rack
    Sensei's Divining Top
    Skullclamp
    Sol Ring
    Solemn Simulacrum
    Sword of Fire and Ice
    Sunforger
    Tawnos's Coffin
    Umezawa's Jitte
    Vedalken Orrery

    All is Dust
    Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
    Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre

    Academy Ruins
    Adarkar Wastes
    Arid Mesa
    Badlands
    Battlefield Forge
    Bayou
    Bloodstained Mire
    Bojuka Bog
    Brushland
    Caves of Kolios
    City of Brass
    Emeria, the Sky Ruin
    Flagstones of Trokair
    Flooded Strand
    Forest
    Grand Coliseum
    Island
    Karakas
    Karpulsan Forest
    Kor Haven
    Krosan Verge
    Lavaclaw Reaches
    Library of Alexandria
    Llanowar Reborn
    Llanowar Wastes
    Marsh Flats
    Maze of Ith
    Misty Rainforest
    Mountain
    Murmuring Bosk
    Nimbus Maze
    Plains
    Plateau
    Polluted Delta
    Reflecting Pool
    Savannah
    Scalding Tarn
    Scrubland
    Shivan Reef
    Stomping Ground
    Strip Mine
    Sulfurous Springs
    Swamp
    Taiga
    Terramorphic Expanse
    Tolaria West
    Tropical Island
    Tundra
    Undergroud River
    Underground Sea
    Urborg
    Verdant Catacombs
    Vesuva
    Volcanic Island
    Volrath's Stronghold
    Wasteland
    Windswept Heath
    Wooded Foothills
    Yavimaya Coast
    Yavimaya Hollow
    Zoetic Cavern

    Avatar of Woe
    Bane of the Living
    Contract from Below
    Damnation
    Decree of Pain
    Demonic Collusion
    Demonic Tutor
    Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief
    Guiltfeeder
    Kokusho, the Evening Star
    Living Death
    Mortivore
    Oversold Cemetary
    Recurring Nightmare
    Sudden Death
    Suffer the Past
    Tortured Existence
    Vampiric Tutor
    Yawgmoth's Will

    Allied Strategies
    Ancestral Recall
    Ancestral Vision
    Arcanis the Omnipotent
    Bribery
    Bringer of the Blue Dawn
    Compulsion
    Cunning Wish
    Draining Whelk
    Drift of Phantasms
    Fabricate
    Fact or Fiction
    Forbid
    Future Sight
    Gifts Ungiven
    Intuition
    Jace, the Mind Sculptor
    Magus of the Jar
    Mystical Teachings
    Mystical Tutor
    Recurring Insight
    Rite of Replication
    Sphinx of Magosi
    Stroke of Genius
    Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
    Thada Adel, Acquisitor
    Time Spiral
    Time Walk
    Timetwister
    Tinker
    Trinket Mage
    Willbender
    Wonder

    Anathemancer
    Brion Strongarm
    Conflux
    Dauntless Escort
    Doran, the Siege Tower
    Eladamri's Call
    Fight to the Death
    Hellkite Overlord
    Hull Breach
    Jund Charm
    Knight of the Reliquary
    Maelstrom Nexus
    Maelstrom Pulse
    Meglonoth
    Mirari's Wake
    Mystic Enforcer
    Oros, the Avenger
    Pernicious Deed
    Prince of Thralls
    Putrefy
    Rafiq of the Many
    Shadowmage Infiltrator
    Simic Sky Swallower
    Sol'kanar the Swamp King
    Spiritmonger
    Sterling Grove
    Teneb, the Harvester
    Terminate
    Vhati il-Dal
    Vindicate
    Vulturous Zombie
    Wrexial, the Risen Deep

    Dead/Gone
    Fire/Ice

    Acidic Slime
    All Suns' Dawn
    Birds of Paradise
    Chameleon Colossus
    Defense of the Heart
    Eternal Witness
    Genesis
    Hermit Druid
    Hibernation's End
    Joiner Adept
    Kodama's Reach
    Krosan Tusker
    Life from the Loam
    Living Wish
    Nantuko Vigilante
    Nostalgic Dreams
    Pattern of Rebirth
    Prismatic Omen
    Protean Hulk
    Raking Canopy
    Realms Uncharted
    Recollect
    Regrowth
    Restock
    Sakura-Tribe Elder
    Scapeshift
    Shard Convergence
    Silklash Spider
    Silvos, Rogue Elemental
    Spike Weaver
    Survival of the Fittest
    Sylvan Library
    Sylvan Scrying
    Terastodon
    Thornscape Battlemage
    Tooth and Nail
    Treefolk Harbinger
    Wall of Blossoms
    Yavimaya Elder

    Akroma, Angel of Fury
    Anger
    Arc-slogger
    Burning Wish
    Flameblast Dragon
    Flametounge Kavu
    Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs
    Magmaw
    Rakavolver
    Recoup
    Stigma Lasher
    Wheel of Fortune

    Academy Rector
    Akroma, Angel of Wrath
    Akroma's Vengeance
    Balance
    Commander Eesha
    Crib Swap
    Deathless Angel
    Decree of Justice
    Dismantling Blow
    Elspeth, Knight-Errant
    Enlightened Tutor
    Eternal Dragon
    Exalted Angel
    Glory
    Hallowed Burial
    Indomitable Ancients
    Land Tax
    Marshal's Anthem
    Martial Coup
    Oblation
    Orim's Thunder
    Path to Exile
    Pristine Angel
    Reya, Dawnbringer
    Rout
    Spirit of the Hearth
    Stoneforge Mystic
    Stonehewer Giant
    Swords to Plowshares
    Tithe
    Weathered Wayfarer
    Wing Shards
    Wrath of God

    M11:
    We talked about Primeval Titan, Sun Titan, Leyline of Anticipation, and Time Reversal. It was suggested that Time Reversal come in for Magus of the Jar. Sun Titan could replace Elspeth. It was further suggested that forbid be removed (for leyline?) and that Liliana Vess be reconsidered and Sarkan Vol be considered.

    Scars:
    Sunblast Angel and Genesis Wave seem to be pretty sweet. Dissipation Field seems like a lot of fun. Skithiryx is pretty cool, but probably way too black for the Essentials. Those are the things that called out at me, but I did run through the spoiler quite quickly. I'm sure I missed some good stuff. What else do you like from Scars?

    Also, what are the under-performers? Some stuffs gotta come out. What hasn't been working for you guys?
    *mooooooooo*

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    Re: The Essential Update!

    Quote Originally Posted by kerbythepurplecow View Post
    It's that time again as everyone who cares has been mostly lax over the past couple sets. We almost made some ground in finishing M11, but then those darned Scars previews hit. So, first I'm going to post the current decklist. Next, I'll summarize our conversation from M11. Then I'll add the saucy stuff from Scars.

    Behemoth Sledge
    Black Lotus
    Bosh, Iron Golem
    Chrome Mox
    Citanul Flute
    Crucible of Worlds
    Darksteel Colossus
    Etched Oracle
    Expedition Map
    Fellwar Stone
    Gilded Lotus
    Lotus Bloom
    Memory Jar
    Mind's Eye
    Mox Crystal
    Mox Diamond
    Mox Emerald
    Mox Jet
    Mox Pearl
    Mox Ruby
    Mox Saphire
    Nevinyrral's Disk
    Panoptic Mirror
    Scroll Rack
    Sensei's Divining Top
    Skullclamp
    Sol Ring
    Solemn Simulacrum
    Sword of Fire and Ice
    Sunforger
    Tawnos's Coffin
    Umezawa's Jitte
    Vedalken Orrery

    All is Dust
    Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
    Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre

    Academy Ruins
    Adarkar Wastes
    Arid Mesa
    Badlands
    Battlefield Forge
    Bayou
    Bloodstained Mire
    Bojuka Bog
    Brushland
    Caves of Kolios
    City of Brass
    Emeria, the Sky Ruin
    Flagstones of Trokair
    Flooded Strand
    Forest
    Grand Coliseum
    Island
    Karakas
    Karpulsan Forest
    Kor Haven
    Krosan Verge
    Lavaclaw Reaches
    Library of Alexandria
    Llanowar Reborn
    Llanowar Wastes
    Marsh Flats
    Maze of Ith
    Misty Rainforest
    Mountain
    Murmuring Bosk
    Nimbus Maze
    Plains
    Plateau
    Polluted Delta
    Reflecting Pool
    Savannah
    Scalding Tarn
    Scrubland
    Shivan Reef
    Stomping Ground
    Strip Mine
    Sulfurous Springs
    Swamp
    Taiga
    Terramorphic Expanse
    Tolaria West
    Tropical Island
    Tundra
    Undergroud River
    Underground Sea
    Urborg
    Verdant Catacombs
    Vesuva
    Volcanic Island
    Volrath's Stronghold
    Wasteland
    Windswept Heath
    Wooded Foothills
    Yavimaya Coast
    Yavimaya Hollow
    Zoetic Cavern

    Avatar of Woe
    Bane of the Living
    Contract from Below
    Damnation
    Decree of Pain
    Demonic Collusion
    Demonic Tutor
    Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief
    Guiltfeeder
    Kokusho, the Evening Star
    Living Death
    Mortivore
    Oversold Cemetary
    Recurring Nightmare
    Sudden Death
    Suffer the Past
    Tortured Existence
    Vampiric Tutor
    Yawgmoth's Will

    Allied Strategies
    Ancestral Recall
    Ancestral Vision
    Arcanis the Omnipotent
    Bribery
    Bringer of the Blue Dawn
    Compulsion
    Cunning Wish
    Draining Whelk
    Drift of Phantasms
    Fabricate
    Fact or Fiction
    Forbid
    Future Sight
    Gifts Ungiven
    Intuition
    Jace, the Mind Sculptor
    Magus of the Jar
    Mystical Teachings
    Mystical Tutor
    Recurring Insight
    Rite of Replication
    Sphinx of Magosi
    Stroke of Genius
    Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
    Thada Adel, Acquisitor
    Time Spiral
    Time Walk
    Timetwister
    Tinker
    Trinket Mage
    Willbender
    Wonder

    Anathemancer
    Brion Strongarm
    Conflux
    Dauntless Escort
    Doran, the Siege Tower
    Eladamri's Call
    Fight to the Death
    Hellkite Overlord
    Hull Breach
    Jund Charm
    Knight of the Reliquary
    Maelstrom Nexus
    Maelstrom Pulse
    Meglonoth
    Mirari's Wake
    Mystic Enforcer
    Oros, the Avenger
    Pernicious Deed
    Prince of Thralls
    Putrefy
    Rafiq of the Many
    Shadowmage Infiltrator
    Simic Sky Swallower
    Sol'kanar the Swamp King
    Spiritmonger
    Sterling Grove
    Teneb, the Harvester
    Terminate
    Vhati il-Dal
    Vindicate
    Vulturous Zombie
    Wrexial, the Risen Deep

    Dead/Gone
    Fire/Ice

    Acidic Slime
    All Suns' Dawn
    Birds of Paradise
    Chameleon Colossus
    Defense of the Heart
    Eternal Witness
    Genesis
    Hermit Druid
    Hibernation's End
    Joiner Adept
    Kodama's Reach
    Krosan Tusker
    Life from the Loam
    Living Wish
    Nantuko Vigilante
    Nostalgic Dreams
    Pattern of Rebirth
    Prismatic Omen
    Protean Hulk
    Raking Canopy
    Realms Uncharted
    Recollect
    Regrowth
    Restock
    Sakura-Tribe Elder
    Scapeshift
    Shard Convergence
    Silklash Spider
    Silvos, Rogue Elemental
    Spike Weaver
    Survival of the Fittest
    Sylvan Library
    Sylvan Scrying
    Terastodon
    Thornscape Battlemage
    Tooth and Nail
    Treefolk Harbinger
    Wall of Blossoms
    Yavimaya Elder

    Akroma, Angel of Fury
    Anger
    Arc-slogger
    Burning Wish
    Flameblast Dragon
    Flametounge Kavu
    Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs
    Magmaw
    Rakavolver
    Recoup
    Stigma Lasher
    Wheel of Fortune

    Academy Rector
    Akroma, Angel of Wrath
    Akroma's Vengeance
    Balance
    Commander Eesha
    Crib Swap
    Deathless Angel
    Decree of Justice
    Dismantling Blow
    Elspeth, Knight-Errant
    Enlightened Tutor
    Eternal Dragon
    Exalted Angel
    Glory
    Hallowed Burial
    Indomitable Ancients
    Land Tax
    Marshal's Anthem
    Martial Coup
    Oblation
    Orim's Thunder
    Path to Exile
    Pristine Angel
    Reya, Dawnbringer
    Rout
    Spirit of the Hearth
    Stoneforge Mystic
    Stonehewer Giant
    Swords to Plowshares
    Tithe
    Weathered Wayfarer
    Wing Shards
    Wrath of God

    M11:
    We talked about Primeval Titan, Sun Titan, Leyline of Anticipation, and Time Reversal. It was suggested that Time Reversal come in for Magus of the Jar. Sun Titan could replace Elspeth. It was further suggested that forbid be removed (for leyline?) and that Liliana Vess be reconsidered and Sarkan Vol be considered.

    Scars:
    Sunblast Angel and Genesis Wave seem to be pretty sweet. Dissipation Field seems like a lot of fun. Skithiryx is pretty cool, but probably way too black for the Essentials. Those are the things that called out at me, but I did run through the spoiler quite quickly. I'm sure I missed some good stuff. What else do you like from Scars?

    Also, what are the under-performers? Some stuffs gotta come out. What hasn't been working for you guys?
    The only cards in Scars I think are in the conversation of a high rarityare the Mox, Sword, and Engine, and frankly I don;t think are good enough to make the cut.

    I think Skinrender is great, but probably misses out, barely.

    Now, Exsanguinate? That's money. I also adore Darksteel Sentinel. I think those are money cards.

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    Re: The Essential Update!

    I was worried about pissing off the whole table with Exsanguinate, but I guess I was looking at it wrong. You wouldn't use it until you could at least kill off a player. You'd be in a great position coming out of it. Good stuff.

    The Sentinel seems great, but he's six mana. That's a lot for a 3/3. The flash makes him really interesting though. Vigilance means he can always swing.
    *mooooooooo*

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    Re: The Essential Update!

    Having a hard time with the P.Titan spot. Oros? Teneb? C.Colossus?, Sol'Kanar, Silvos?
    *mooooooooo*

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    Re: The Essential Update!

    OROS. He's never used. Ever.
    -Chad

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    Re: The Essential Update!

    In addition to Sword of Vengeance, we might also want to look at Nim Deathmantle. Both are amazing equipment.

    I'd rather have a Sword of Vengeance out than a Behemoth Sledge (except for when I'm low in life). It's very easy to compare them side by side. Both cost three to play and three to equip.

    Sledge - +2/+2,. trample, lifelink - That's great! It's a great card.
    Sword of Vengeance - +2/+0. trample, first strike, haste, vigilance

    Compare - both give trample, and both give two in the front. The differences:

    Lifelink and 2 defense
    First strike, haste, and vigilance

    Is the defense as important if I have first stirke? Getting in a extra hit with my creatures by equipping them with the sword each time I play another is great. Vigilance is a great ability in multiplayer, the creature stays around. How often do you fail to attack with the Sledge creature because you need to keep it back as a blocker?

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    Re: The Essential Update!

    Having said that, I still think there is a place for the Sledge and perhaps the Deathmantle, in the deck.

    The deck has teh following equipment:

    Skullclamp - which is about drawing cards, not pumping the creature
    Sword of Fire and Ice - played for the card advantage, although the abilities are nice
    Umezawa's Jitte - played for the abilities
    Sunforger - which is played because of the card advantage, although the pump is very nice
    Behemoth Sledge


    So we aren't running a lot of great equipment for the abilities (Lightning Greaves, Sword of Kaldra, Argentum Armor, and so forth) and we pulled Loxodon Warhammer too. We are literally saying that Sledge is the best equipment ever based on just the abilities it gives the creature. (I'm not sure I buy that)

    Recommendations:

    Leave in all of these cards above.

    Pull Dead/Gone for Sword of Vengeance
    (I really like it a lot, but I think it's a bit underpowered these days, especially since we aren;t seeing too many 60 card decks anymore, with their aggro-ness)

    Pull Chrome Mox, Black Lotus, Lotus Bloom for Exsanguinate, Darksteel Sentinel, Primeval Titan

    Pull Forbid for Leyline of Anticipation

    Pull Magus of the Jar for Time Reversal

    Pull Treefolk Harbinger for Genesis Wave

    Pull Elspeth for either Liliana or Sarkhan Vol (do we need more Red after pulling out Dead Gone? If so, here's your Red back)

    Pull Demonic Collusion for Sunblast Angel (how often are you really buying this back anyway?)

    Pull Fabricate for Diabolic Tutor (Wouldn't you rather pay one more mana to tutor for anything?)

    Pull Sakura-Tribe Elder for Cultivate (that may get some hate posts! STE is almost always a glorified Rampant Growth that can block once in a while before it goes. Cultivate is card advantage every single time you play it.)

    Pull Doran for Sun Titan (What's Doran doing here? What does he make better? wall of Blossoms? Commander Eesha? Indomitable Ancients? Is that really enough to play?)

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    Re: The Essential Update!

    Did Madrush Cyclops ever make it into your deck? What happened to it?

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    Re: The Essential Update!

    In my opinion, the best Trinket Mage targets in the deck are:

    Skullclamp
    Expedition Map
    Top
    Mox of the right color
    Sol Ring

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    Re: The Essential Update!

    I would pull Dauntless Escort for Madrush Cyclops too. That gives me a Red so I'm not forced to go with Sarkhan Vol over Liliana Vess for Elspeth if I don;t want to. (assuming there are just 25 Red cards. I counted and that's what I came up with but I could have missed).

    Then we need to decide which of those two Planeswalkers is the better choice. I'm initially leaning towards Liliana. But I can totally see sarkhan Vol.



    Edit: After looking at both, I like Sarkhan Vol just a bit more, but Liliana is a better choice if you don't like that I pulled two tutors above.

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