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    420 16" biflex driver in a 828 cabinets

    I did a search on the 420 biflex driver and the most recent post was from 2012. Sorry if I am resurrecting an old topic.
    Over the weekend, I put a 420 biflex driver into a 828 cabinet just to see how it sounded.
    To my amazement, it sounded very good running full range.
    I had it connected to a Merlin ISP-100 active crossover and began merging it with 1005B / 288-16G horn driver. I found that around 7500 Hz is a good place to crossover.. the two and still sound good.
    Just wondering if someone else has tried this.
    Full the 420 in full range mode, it sounds like it can make it up to 10-12K. I was pleasantly surprise.....

    This is going to be more fun then the other project that I am working on.... tuning an A7 into MLTL.

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    420 16" biflex driver in a 828 cabinets


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    Re: 420 16" biflex driver in a 828 cabinets

    420s are fun drivers. they do have some limitations. but nice overall.
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    Re: 420 16" biflex driver in a 828 cabinets

    Mids sound nice, bass is full and impactful. There are no highs. Not as efficient as the 515 and the 416 ...What are the other limitations?

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    Re: 420 16" biflex driver in a 828 cabinets

    Not sure how well this combo will perform as the horn's increased throat pressure will damp the bi-flex's small mid driver or worse, it may modulate it out of phase or even damage it at higher power. Only one way to know for sure though.

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    Re: 420 16" biflex driver in a 828 cabinets

    Then you get it reconed as a 416....

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    Re: 420 16" biflex driver in a 828 cabinets

    Quote Originally Posted by GM View Post
    Not sure how well this combo will perform as the horn's increased throat pressure will damp the bi-flex's small mid driver or worse, it may modulate it out of phase or even damage it at higher power. Only one way to know for sure though.

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    I m biamping with 6w/Ch tube amp, added a 511b/902-8b for the highs. Crossover at 3750hz with 24db butterworth crossover, it sounds really good. I push the crossover point higher but base on my hearing, less than 4000 hz appears optimal.

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    Re: 420 16" biflex driver in a 828 cabinets

    Fellas in Eastern Europe i have sold bi-flexes to really like them in back loaded horns, ah la JBL 4530 etc..
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    Re: 420 16" biflex driver in a 828 cabinets

    Quote Originally Posted by bowtie427ss View Post
    Fellas in Eastern Europe i have sold bi-flexes to really like them in back loaded horns, ah la JBL 4530 etc..
    I don't think I can afford to house anymore large cabinets, although I would still like a set of model 18s. One thing that I do notice with the 420s in a 828 cabinets, that shrinking the port size ala the 416 or 515 woofers did not improve the bass. They seem to like the bigger port size.

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    Re: 420 16" biflex driver in a 828 cabinets

    Quote Originally Posted by hififan View Post
    Interesting project. In a 828 cabinet at least, I didnt really care found the sound when crossover point is push above 4K. To my years, the system loses some agility. I can try to play with the crossover again... and push it to 7K. That is the beauty about using a electronic crossover. It makes changes like this quick and easy.

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