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    Re: 817 question

    Quote Originally Posted by mah View Post
    Mustang Marvin your 14 AWG wiring is just fine.

    By the way, solid core copper wire is widely used in data transmission cables handling signal bandwidths thousands of times that of the audio signal bandwidth.


    Re the enclosure, you cannot do better than listen to GM.
    Oh My Goodness, mah again.

    Its hard to know if mah is just trying to attack me on his post, ( as he has been initiating - the last several days ), or if he actually believes what he wrote and posted, which is a dis-service to any serious ALTEC user !!

    All agree, GM knows his stuff on design, but thats not the point here.

    You have to get the wiring done optimally through out your existing implementation, before complaining about bass, and going to new designs - using the same wire as you have now!!

    The chain is as strong as its weakest link. I have identified a weak link in any ALTEC system WE can resolve on our own. 'Offered precise, thought - out answers to the problem. Its like that small I.D. fuel line Marvin, to the vintage motorcycle's motor.

    14 AWG solid core to an ALTEC woofer leaves performance gaps, versus the specific suggestions offered. If you THINK about that, one should intuitively know this, or at least, I would hope people know. Have fun !! I do.

    Jeff Medwin Low Ohms

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    Re: 817 question

    "medium red garnet metalflake is the best looking color." is this statement true Jeff?
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    Re: 817 question

    Jeff, My post only contained statements of FACT. They were addressed to Mustang Marvin.

    But now you have jumped in I would love to see the verifiable supporting evidence behind the myriad advice you proffer on this forum.
    Opinion is only as valid as its verifiable supporting evidence.

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    Re: 817 question

    Quote Originally Posted by mah View Post
    Jeff, My post only contained statements of FACT. They were addressed to Mustang Marvin.

    But now you have jumped in I would love to see the verifiable supporting evidence behind the myriad advice you proffer on this forum.
    fact; high speed data is rated in milivolt levels. the volume of electrons passing through a given conductor will change with the voltage/current.
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    Re: 817 question

    Quote Originally Posted by mah View Post
    Jeff, My post only contained statements of FACT. They were addressed to Mustang Marvin.

    But now you have jumped in I would love to see the verifiable supporting evidence behind the myriad advice you proffer on this forum.
    mah,


    As I pointed out - you were doing a dis-service to Mustang Marvin, and to others who may seek audio reproduction - at a higher level.

    Sounds to me like you very likely have a modicum of "classical" electronic engineering training, to your great detriment.

    You infer that audio is narrow band and that the chintzy solid copper wire is adequate to reproduce it faithfully . That is total RUBBISH. In 1982-1988, ( so... 34 years ago ), my first audio mentor, a genius and trusted personal friend, was studying music and audio signals using his own 2 GHZ TEK scope, ' blew him away, what he saw, at 2 GHZ.

    The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Are you attending the big RMAF audio show, in Denver this year ?? October 7-9.. If so, I can point you to one room there that employs much of what I suggest, and YOU may stop in, listen, and can decide on your own, ....the " proof ".

    Not with your eyes reading numbers and letters, but with your EARS using your mind and your heart.

    Speakers will be GPA 604s in a solid Europly MLTL configuration, which GM helped design years ago.

    I believe, from how you think and talk, that "you" would be very uncomfortable deciding anything by ear. I DO know your type well. Very common, your thought process.

    Please don't tell me about the pregnancy, just show me the Baby !!


    Jeff Medwin Low Ohms
    Last edited by LowOhms; September 20th, 2016 at 12:18 AM.

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    Re: 817 question

    Jeff, Talk,talk,talk. Column-inch upon column -inch. Back up your statements with evidence and not with Willful Ignorance.

    Urban Dictionary: willful ignorance
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    Re: 817 question

    Quote Originally Posted by mah View Post
    Jeff, Talk,talk,talk. Column-inch upon column -inch. Back up your statements with evidence and not with Willful Ignorance.

    Urban Dictionary: willful ignorance

    Gee, your reference source reeks of class, particularly the last word. I voluntarily will end this conversation with you right here. Bye bye.

    Have a great life.

    Have fun, I sure do !


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    Re: 817 question

    Jeff, That's a cop-out, but it is time to stop on this thread.

    I am happy to help you with rational argument and facts, anytime.
    Last edited by mah; September 20th, 2016 at 03:20 AM.
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    Re: 817 question

    Jesse! Where did I go wrong here? This is one reason I haven't posted in a long time. No need to get all pissy here. I just wanted to get a little help, not start an argument.

    I will consider all recommendations and make my decision based on that. Thanks for the POSITIVE input.

    Now, can we get back to my original question PLEASE.

    If you were going to build the ultimate bass enclosure using 2 416's per box, what would it be?
    Thanks again,
    MM

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    Re: 817 question

    If you were going to build the ultimate bass enclosure using 2 416's per box, what would it be?
    Really big, bass reflex, lowest practical tuning for the listening space and amplification. Something similar to what others have done with 515's, a la GM.
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