Just because you have had 2000+ post don't make you the expert I have seen you mention this more than once!!! And if you will actually read the post that you reply to you will see that I support LL"participation baseball" 100%. I don't agree with what you say travel ball will do to all, maybe some and I have said that several times!! So when the heat comes to you from a newbie don't take it so personal when someone does'nt agree with the 2000+ poster!!! from a proud newbie!!!