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    HEY.... HEY... YOU LISTENING... ANYONE?

    WERE U.S. SOLDIERS. MEN AND WOMEN. WE ARE HERE IN IRAQ. WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE BEEN FORGOTTEN.
    WE DID WHAT WAS ASK OF US.
    NOW WHY ARE WE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE IRAQI CIVIL WAR. WERE WE NOT TOLD WE WOULD NEVER HAVE ANOTHER VIETNAM?
    WHILE THOSE AT HOME USE THE WAR AS A POLITICAL POINT WERE STILL HERE.
    YEAH THAT EARLY MORNING SNAP CRACKLE AND POP WE HEAR. IT ISN'T OUR RICE KRISPIES, IT'S THE ENEMY TAKE SHOTS AT US.
    THE LOUD BOOMS WE HEAR ARE NOT FIREWORKS. THEIR CAR BOMBS OR OTHER BOMBS, THAT ARE LAID FOR US AND OTHERS WHO YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN.
    WERE NOT A NEW VIETNAM. LET'S ASK ALLEN AND CORKER.
    HOW ABOUT IT ALLEN AND CORKER. HOW LONG DO WE STAY THE COURSE? TILL YOU WIN SEATS IN OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM. AND DEMAND WE STAY THE COURSE?
    HAVE ANY ONE FIGHTING AND DYING OVER HERE OR IN HARMS WAY. OR IS IT JUST POLITICAL RHETORIC TO GAIN A SEAT.
    HOW MANY MORE YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN HAVE TO DIE?
    IN THE NEW IRAQI CIVIL WAR, BEFORE YOU GREAT MEN OF HONOR AND VALOR, ASK WHY DO WE STILL HAVE TROOPS IN HARMS WAY. AFTER YOU WIN A SEAT IN OUR GOVERNMENT OR AFTER YOU HAVE TO COMMIT MANY MORE, TO COME HERE, TO THIS CIVIL WAR, ONE THAT WE WERE TOLD WE WOULD NEVER BE INVOLVED. YET HERE WE ARE.
    IT'S NOT 1972 BUT IT SURE FEELS LIKE IT ALL OVER AGAIN.




    Four days of sectarian slaughter killed at least 91 people by Monday in Balad, a town near a major U.S. air base an hour's drive north of the capital. Elsewhere, 60 Iraqis died in attacks and 16 tortured bodies were found.
    The U.S. command said seven American troops died in fighting a day earlier. That raised the U.S. toll to 58 killed in the first two weeks of October, a pace that if continued would make the month the worst for coalition forces since 107 U.S. and 10 British soldiers died in January 2005.
    Iraqi deaths also are running at a high rate. According to an Associated Press count, 708 Iraqis have been reported killed in war-related violence this month, or just over 44 a day, compared to a daily average of more than 27 since the AP began tracking deaths in April 2005.
    A surge in sectarian bloodshed and jump in U.S. casualties coincide with the run-up to the American midterm elections in which the Bush administration's handling of the Iraq war has become a key issue.
    The U.S. military has kept a low profile in Balad, where violence began Friday with the slaying of 17 Shiite Muslim workers. Revenge-seeking Shiite death squads then killed 74 Sunnis, causing people to flee across the Tigris River to the nearby Sunni-dominated city of Duluiyah.
    An American spokesman did not directly respond when asked if the Iraqi government had sought U.S. military assistance in quelling the violence.
    "Coalition force units are partnering with Iraqi police and Iraqi army units involved in operations around Balad. We are also providing quick reaction assets to the Iraqi police and army. The IA and IP are in the lead with the operations around Balad," Lt. Col. Christopher Garver said.
    The two runways at the air base on the outskirts of Balad are among the world's busiest, launching 27,500 aircraft a month, hundreds of them bomb-laden jets that support U.S. troops moving against insurgents. The base is also the supply hub for all U.S. military operations in Iraq.
    President Bush, meanwhile, telephoned Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki on Monday to reassure him of American support as rumors swirled through Baghdad that Washington had lost patience with the Shiite leader during his little more than four months in office.
    Bush spokesman Tony Snow said the president used the 15-minute conversation to tell al-Maliki there was no American deadline for the Iraqi government to be able to stand on its own.
    Al-Maliki "said that rumors sometimes can undercut confidence in the government and also its ability to work effectively in fighting terror," Snow reported. "And the president said, `Don't worry, you still have our full support.'"
    Al-Maliki canceled a planned visit to Turkey on Monday. His office cited inclement weather for flying.
    Later Monday, Ali al-Dabagh, al-Maliki's spokesman, told the AP that the prime minister had asked parliamentary political blocs to nominate representatives to sit on a new committee with a mandate to disband the militias behind the sectarian killings.
    Political figures close to al-Maliki's coalition government said the prime minister was under mounting pressure from the United States to shut down the armed groups.
    Al-Dabagh was sketchy on details about the committee, but said it would be asked to find a method for disbanding the militias, including their absorption into the army.
    When pressed on how well that would work when previous attempts failed, al-Dabagh said "appropriate measures" would be taken against any political bloc that failed to disband its militia.
    Among the 60 Iraqis killed outside Balad on Monday was Imad al-Faroon, the brother of the chief prosecutor in the second trial of Saddam Hussein. Gunmen burst into his home and shot him to death in front of his wife, government official Ali al-Lami told the AP.
    The worst attack of the day "? 20 dead and 27 wounded "? occurred when an explosives-packed car driven by a suicide bomber rammed into a Shiite funeral tent in eastern Baghdad's Ur neighborhood. Soon afterward, a car parked nearby exploded, ripping through a crowd of rescuers and onlookers, police Lt. Ahmed Mohammed Ali said.
    Another car bomb killed nine people and wounded 35 in Suwayrah, 25 miles south of Baghdad, Mayor Hussein Mohammed al-Ghurabi said.
    In killings bearing the hallmarks of sectarian reprisal killings, the bullet-riddled and tortured bodies of 11 men were dumped in the capital overnight, two of them in a trash pit, police Capt. Mohannad al-Bahadli said. Five tortured bodies were found in towns north of the city.
    Eight members of a Shiite family were shot to death by men wearing military uniform who burst into their home just after sunrise in Latifiyah, about 20 miles south of Baghdad, said Muayed Fadhil Hussein, a local official.

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    Read this closely and see if you still agree with "Stay the Course."
    The course no longer has a clear mission like it once did.


    Eleven more U.S. troops were slain in combat, the military said Wednesday, putting October on track to be the deadliest month for U.S. forces since the siege of Fallujah nearly two years ago.
    The military says the sharp increase in U.S. casualties "? 70 so far this month "? is tied to Ramadan and a security crackdown that has left American forces more vulnerable to attack in Baghdad and its suburbs. Muslim tenets hold that fighting a foreign occupation force during Islam's holy month puts a believer especially close to God.
    As the death toll climbed for both U.S. forces and Iraqi civilians, who are being killed at a rate of 43 a day, the country's Shiite-dominated government remained under intense U.S. pressure to shut down Shiite militias.
    Some members of the armed groups have fractured into uncontrolled, roaming death squads out for revenge against Sunni Arabs, the Muslim minority in Iraq who were politically and socially dominant until the fall of Saddam Hussein.
    There have been growing signs in recent days of mounting strain between Washington and the wobbly government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, who felt compelled during a conversation with President Bush this week to seek his assurances that the Americans were not going to dump him.
    Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari on Wednesday blamed American officials who ran Iraq before its own government took nominal control for bringing the country to the present state of chaos.
    "Had our friends listened to us, we would not be where we are today," Zebari said in an interview with The Associated Press.
    Asked which friends he was referring to, Zebari said:
    "The Americans, the Coalition (Provision Authority), the British. OK? Because they didn't listen to us. The did exactly what they wanted to do. ... Had they listened to us, we would have been someplace else (by now), really."
    It was an unusually harsh statement from Zebari, a Kurd, whose ethnic group owes much to the U.S. intervention in Iraq and for its virtual autonomy in the north of the country.
    A report in Britain's Financial Times on Wednesday said the White House is now pressuring Iraqi authorities to give amnesty to Sunni insurgents. That would be a surprising change for the Bush administration, which has resisted amnesty because it could potentially include fighters who have killed American troops.
    At the State Department, spokesman Tom Casey said a decision on amnesty would be left to the Iraqi government.
    "I wouldn't describe our position as pressuring them to do this now or at any particular moment except at a point when they feel their national reconciliation process has gone through its appropriate steps and they're ready to move forward with it," Casey said.

    Soon after taking office in May, al-Maliki proposed an amnesty for insurgents who put down their arms. But no insurgents took up the offer, and the proposal bogged down amid differences over who would be eligible. Al-Maliki said those "with blood on their hands" "? either Iraqis' or American soldiers' "? would not be covered.
    Despite the climbing death toll, the U.S. military claims it is making progress in taming runaway violence in the capital as it engages insurgents, militias and sectarian death squads, rounds up suspects and uncovers weapons caches and masses of stockpiled explosives.
    The latest American death took place Wednesday, when a soldier was killed after his patrol was attacked with small-arms fire south of Baghdad. Ten Americans were killed on Tuesday "? nine soldiers and a Marine "? the highest single-day combat death toll for U.S. forces since Jan. 5, when 11 service members were killed across Iraq. There have been days with a higher number of U.S. deaths, but not solely from combat.
    October is now on track to be the deadliest month for American forces in Iraq since November 2004, when military offenses primarily in the then-insurgent stronghold of Fallujah, 40 miles west of Baghdad, left 137 troops dead, 126 of them in combat.
    "It breaks my heart because behind every casualty is somebody with tears in their eyes," Bush told ABC News in an interview. "I think the hardest part of the presidency is to meet with families who've lost their loved one."
    With Iraq becoming an increasing issue in the Nov. 7 midterm elections in the United States, White House spokesman Tony Snow was asked if the rising toll would cause Bush to alter course.
    "No, his strategy is to win," Snow said. "The president understands not only the difficulty of it, but he grieves for the people who have served with valor. But as everybody says correctly, we've got to win. And that comes at a cost."
    The spiking American death toll has compounded a period of intense violence among Iraqis. If current trends continue, October will be the deadliest month for Iraqis since the AP began tracking deaths in April 2005. So far this month, 775 Iraqis have been killed in war-related violence, an average of 43 a day.
    That compares to an average daily death toll of about 27 since April 2005. The AP count includes civilians, government officials and police and security forces, and is considered a minimum based on AP reporting. The actual number is likely higher, as many killings go unreported.
    Just north of Baghdad, in the city of Balad for example, at least 95 people died in a five-day sectarian slaughter that began Friday.
    On Wednesday, key tribal, religious and government officials brokered a 20-day truce in the region, hoping to work through Sunni and Shiite grievances during the cooling off period. Balad is a majority Shiite town, but is surrounded by territory that is mainly populated by Sunnis.

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    Re: CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A CIVIL WAR!!!!!!!

    I talked with a guy this past weekend who gave an interesting and frightening viewpoint on the war. This guy has a friend who works for the government doing some kind of intelligence work. He has a PhD in Islamic Theology and Middle Eastern studies and other degrees in similar ares. Sorry I can't remember the guy's credentials exactly but he's worked in and around terrorism and radical Islam for 20+ years. I felt like he was more than qualified.

    Anywho, my friend tells me that his intelligence agent friend believes that we don't have any other choice but to win this war. He believes that if the Jihadis believe for one second that America is weakened that our homeland will become fair game. He said it would be something like "9/11 every month or two weeks or week." In other words, if we don't take the fight there, they will bring it here.

    It sucks that we are losing soldiers to all this violence. But consider the alternative? You and I are walking down Main street, anywhere from Norton to LA to New York, wondering if that Volkswagon we just walked by is going to blow up and throw 150 pounds of shrapnel into our bodies.

    I'm not disagreeing with you. Just offering up another man's opinion that got me thinking a little.
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    My point exactly. We dont' show fear. But we must do something to end the killings of US troops. The mind game has begun. US troops are now tragets for highly trained shooters. And that is all they are paid to do. Snipers who are paid to take out US troops to kill the moral of the US units in Iraq.
    My only problem and this from a friend who served on the front lines. Why don't we seek out and destroy?
    And why do we not have marshall law in that country till we find and destroy the strong holds.
    That from those in the front lines. When soldiers see their duty and a way to end a confrontation. I think sometimes you listen to them.

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