CONSOLIDATION

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dick_Vitale</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the "kids" taking college classes are more than likely the smarter ones from each schools and probally know how to act in public. and i dont find it a problem for juniors and seniors who are probally 17 years or older wondering around a college campus. </div></div>
Bus from Pound picks kids up at JJK and BSG, you'd need to hual from St Paul and Coeburn, and one from Appy. Looks like 2 and a half, hell yeah- that would cost more than a new school. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif[/img]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elp6n</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sup-rbeast</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elp6n</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dick_Vitale</div><div class="ubbcode-body">im pretty sure no financial aid is offered. if it was our classes must of not got that memo. must be an appy thing [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif[/img]</div></div>
When I looked this up last year the UVA-Wise Handbook said financial aid is NOT offered for dual enrollment. </div></div>
Should take it through MECC then...classes count the same credit. If a person wants to go to UVA Wise, they shoudl have to pay the college cost...cuz it's available at MECC for less than half than what it costs to go to UVAW.</div></div>
So a St. Paul student should have to drive to BSG to go to MECC?
This just goes back to equal and fair - the opportunities are not at all equal when it comes to forcing dual enrollment for students that want higher level courses. </div></div>
So, are you guys wanting a high school or a college....there is a difference you know.

then why ask the question about gettin a room for DE if you already new the answer?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elp6n</div><div class="ubbcode-body">MECC costs:
http://www.me.vccs.edu/de/de-savings.htm

While in High School: A Dual Enrollment student who earns 12 college credits (four 3 credit classes) by the time he/she graduates from high school has paid between $99.80 to $199.56, instead of the regular tuition/fees cost of $997.80 This savings will range from $798.24 to $898.00.

It's still far from free! The public school system should be providing these at no cost.

There are many students who live in extremely low income households - how is this fair to them? They can't pay for it and they can't get there. </div></div>
This is the forum where poor are only poor cause they want to be, at least that is the theme on political board.

as stated before, each class MECC offeres to students is 53 dollars. I think it is the same for UVAW as well.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elp6n</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sup-rbeast</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elp6n</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dick_Vitale</div><div class="ubbcode-body">im pretty sure no financial aid is offered. if it was our classes must of not got that memo. must be an appy thing [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif[/img]</div></div>
When I looked this up last year the UVA-Wise Handbook said financial aid is NOT offered for dual enrollment. </div></div>
Should take it through MECC then...classes count the same credit. If a person wants to go to UVA Wise, they shoudl have to pay the college cost...cuz it's available at MECC for less than half than what it costs to go to UVAW.</div></div>
So a St. Paul student should have to drive to BSG to go to MECC?
This just goes back to equal and fair - the opportunities are not at all equal when it comes to forcing dual enrollment for students that want higher level courses. </div></div>
No a St. Paul kid should have the course taught at thier school like every other remote HS should do. The school I taught at was about 40 miles from MECC, but they still got MECC credit cuz they were taught by an adjunct...believe me, more course offerings has no weight in the consolidation argument. Unless a college is paid tuition through either financial aid or out of pocket, the student isn't going to get college credit. So even if they offered organic chemistry, the student won't get college credit for it...so really what's the point in taking it twice?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dick_Vitale</div><div class="ubbcode-body">then why ask the question about gettin a room for DE if you already new the answer? </div></div>
Cuz that's the only way to talk sense to some of you...guided questions.

To teach in the high school now the teacher must have a masters in the field of study. Big problem happened this year at jjk because of this.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dick_Vitale</div><div class="ubbcode-body">as stated before, each class MECC offeres to students is 53 dollars. I think it is the same for UVAW as well. </div></div>
I got my associates degree from MECC at a grand total cost to me of $15...and I was poor as dirt.

no probally thought i didnt know the answer... it seems like it back fired [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif[/img]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dick_Vitale</div><div class="ubbcode-body">as stated before, each class MECC offeres to students is 53 dollars. I think it is the same for UVAW as well. </div></div>
If you can't afford 53 bucks , you ain't gonna be able to pay for a CAR and GAS next year either, are you? You might have stopped the train of thought just a little before the station.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dick_Vitale</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To teach in the high school now the teacher must have a masters in the field of study. Big problem happened this year at jjk because of this. </div></div>
..or be working towards it with 3 years to finish. I know, I've jumped that hoop before. Surely there are 6 teachers in Wise County in each firld of study that has their masters...as long as you have that and an electronic classroom, you can have all the DE ya want.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sup-rbeast</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
No a St. Paul kid should have the course taught at thier school like every other remote HS should do. The school I taught at was about 40 miles from MECC, but they still got MECC credit cuz they were taught by an adjunct...believe me, more course offerings has no weight in the consolidation argument. Unless a college is paid tuition through either financial aid or out of pocket, the student isn't going to get college credit. So even if they offered organic chemistry, the student won't get college credit for it...so really what's the point in taking it twice?</div></div>
To have a better education? To have an idea of what courses you enjoy to steer you towards a major? To be better prepared for college? To me none of this is about actually getting college credit - it's about a more complete education.

This is 2008. it's no longer just readin' ritin' and rithmetic'

ok im saying to take a college class it is not 15 dolalrs its 53... that is all

For MECC to offer English 111 and 112 there has to be an in house teacher for the students capable of teacher. Same goes with Pre Cal.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elp6n</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sup-rbeast</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
No a St. Paul kid should have the course taught at thier school like every other remote HS should do. The school I taught at was about 40 miles from MECC, but they still got MECC credit cuz they were taught by an adjunct...believe me, more course offerings has no weight in the consolidation argument. Unless a college is paid tuition through either financial aid or out of pocket, the student isn't going to get college credit. So even if they offered organic chemistry, the student won't get college credit for it...so really what's the point in taking it twice?</div></div>
To have a better education? To have an idea of what courses you enjoy to steer you towards a major? To be better prepared for college? To me none of this is about actually getting college credit - it's about a more complete education. </div></div>
Why not require career prep in 8th grade and then let them choose their classes?...but really, how many 12-16 year olds really know what they want to do for the rest of their lives?? High school should be high school....if they wanna go to college through anything besides DE or AP classes, they need to graduate early and go to college...it's that simple. Too many folks expect too much from an underfunded institution that we refer to as education. You could always home school em, get them their GED by 12 and out of college by 16..lol

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dick_Vitale</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For MECC to offer English 111 and 112 there has to be an in house teacher for the students capable of teacher. Same goes with Pre Cal. </div></div>
If it is done through electronic classroom there just has to be a qualified teacher on the camera. MECC doesn't pay DE teachers..your pay is the same you would get teaching regular HS courses.

Please go to this site and tell me the more classes that this high school offers compared to our local high schools.

http://fchs.frco.k12.va.us/academics/academics.htm

That was the problem jjk faced this year.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">but really, how many 12-16 year olds really know what they want to do for the rest of their lives?? </div></div>
Exactly! How many do? And when you're told "you get these classes and only these classes and no options to explore other subjects or to explore them more closely" how does that help?

Yes they DO have to be told to study the basics, but why not offer more to them to help them figure out where to go after high school? Not everyone is going to want to study History, English, Math in college.

I don't think all of those are on site unless they have the vo-tech school built into it....Wise County has Vo-tech as well..plus they have more like career studies etc..you can take what you see on that page either through regualr classes, DE, or at the Vo-tech school already...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elp6n</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">but really, how many 12-16 year olds really know what they want to do for the rest of their lives?? </div></div>
Exactly! How many do? And when you're told "you get these classes and only these classes and no options to explore other subjects or to explore them more closely" how does that help?

Yes they DO have to be told to study the basics, but why not offer more to them to help them figure out where to go after high school? Not everyone is going to want to study History, English, Math in college. </div></div>
But yet, you want to dump tax dollars into offering classes 12 kids in the school will take and really not know even why they are taking them...that sounds reasonable...like I said, there is such a class as career prep.

the votech has a separate site. please explore around on that site some and jus look at the offereings.

our schools will not be that big but the offereings we will get will be more.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sup-rbeast</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elp6n</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">but really, how many 12-16 year olds really know what they want to do for the rest of their lives?? </div></div>
Exactly! How many do? And when you're told "you get these classes and only these classes and no options to explore other subjects or to explore them more closely" how does that help?

Yes they DO have to be told to study the basics, but why not offer more to them to help them figure out where to go after high school? Not everyone is going to want to study History, English, Math in college. </div></div>
But yet, you want to dump tax dollars into offering classes 12 kids in the school will take and really not know even why they are taking them...that sounds reasonable...like I said, there is such a class as career prep.</div></div>
Oh well to hell with those 12 then, if you can't buy in bulk dont buy at all I guess. Let 'em work at Wal-Mart after high school.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> So what's the problem with building an electronic classroom at each school for DE classes? Heck of alot cheaper than 3 new schools...Plus, you'd just need 1 teacher. </div></div>


Do you really want to go there? The Electronic Classroom is 1 tiny step above providing the students with a do it yourself Video and hopeing for the best heck lets just get rid of the fourn language teachers and buy the Rosetta Stone program at every school LOL


When I was in HS I was able to take Calculus In Clintwood. That is no longer possible not because there are not students that want it but because there is a Math teacher sitting at each of the County High Schools with half full classes for Algebra at a Consolidated school 2 of the teachers could still teach the Basic Math while the 3rd teaches Calculus. And while I think Duel enrolment is a GREAT idea I know that even if it had been available to me I would not have had the transportation to attend

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elp6n</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sup-rbeast</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elp6n</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">but really, how many 12-16 year olds really know what they want to do for the rest of their lives?? </div></div>
Exactly! How many do? And when you're told "you get these classes and only these classes and no options to explore other subjects or to explore them more closely" how does that help?

Yes they DO have to be told to study the basics, but why not offer more to them to help them figure out where to go after high school? Not everyone is going to want to study History, English, Math in college. </div></div>
But yet, you want to dump tax dollars into offering classes 12 kids in the school will take and really not know even why they are taking them...that sounds reasonable...like I said, there is such a class as career prep.</div></div>
Oh well to hell with those 12 then, if you can't buy in bulk dont buy at all I guess. Let 'em work at Wal-Mart after high school. </div></div>
Well, to get where I wanted to go in high school I got a job and bought gas and ins and tires. I only took 1 college class as they didn't have dual enrollment then. Raising money for those 12 kids you are talking about makes for some hard choices. If they want to go badly enough, their family will find a way for them to get to these schools. But like I said before, this is a dead horse. This school board will buy 3 of everything and pass the cost to people that own their house or some land.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This school board will buy 3 of everything and pass the cost to people that own their house or some land. </div></div>


LOL better than 6 of everything

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Counts</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This school board will buy 3 of everything and pass the cost to people that own their house or some land. </div></div>


LOL better than 6 of everything </div></div>

As long as we use the old schools the board won't buy anything- haven't in 25 years. That is how we got to this point.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SportsJunkie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sir, I'm for smaller government. I'm for preserving my community of Appalachia and others like it, we can't let this happen to us. We must save our schools! I couldn't imagine a Friday without Appy Football. This is our passion, our heritage, our money! Why waste 40 million? I will never forget what the Appy girl said, if they close my school I will quit. We should all stand behind her and urge her on, Appy Pride! </div></div>

So help me understand this. You want to encourage a CHILD to quit school to prove a point. I guess the pot smoking thug you use as your avatar should have sent out a warning to us all. Seriously.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coalblackened</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SportsJunkie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sir, nobody can take away my Dawg Pride. We should form our own school district. We will not be told what to do, the elites of Wise and Big Stone can't hold us back! I hope the people of St. Paul and Pound will join with us and overcome these terrible tyrants called school board members! Kyle Fletcher and Mark Hutchinson will save us all! </div></div>

& it's this that makes me ashamed of Appy.
Please. I mean, we need to consolidate. Plain and simple, and some person gets on here with no real solution as to why cons. should NOT happen other than I GOT DAWG PRIDE BOOYYYZZ. *headdesk* Mark Hutchinson is not going to save you, sorry but he won't and can't. You never know what actually goes on behind closed doors. & just because his wife works at Appy does not mean a darn thing. People open your eyes. This consolidation will benefit every school board member, and they know it. </div></div>

You might want to be carefull. You are on your way to being on Appy's most hated list with me. Pretty soon, you'll get PM's from lpdball telling you what a disgrace you are. They wont even ID themselves in PM's. Anyway, preach on brother.

Where did it say that the band wasn't needed? Nope, you don't pay for their band trips. The BAND BOOSTERS DO! The athletic fund has never paid for a band trip to my knowledge. I think it there is some jealousy on you part because he got a scholarship for college BASED on his academic and musical abilities.

So, your belief is give em college credit they don't pay for, offer grasshopper anatomy to the 5 that wanna take it cuz they should be able to..once ya start that then you have to find certified teachers to teach all the classes...you staff would look the the cast of thousands in Lawrence of Arabia or something...You willing to foot the bill for all these new teachers?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: centennialdawg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where did it say that the band wasn't needed? Nope, you don't pay for their band trips. The BAND BOOSTERS DO! The athletic fund has never paid for a band trip to my knowledge. I think it there is some jealousy on you part because he got a scholarship for college BASED on his academic and musical abilities. </div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Woody</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coalblackened</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Plus you have these old home town folks not wanting to consolidate or parents of kids who think they are a football star in their tiny school who knows they won't have a chance to even get their cleats dirty if they combine to a large school, they would rather the schools fall to shambles. </div></div>

I think you hit the nail on the head with this one. </div></div>

Thank you.
I graduated from Appy not too long ago and the school was falling apart then, can't even have a window AC except in two rooms because the blows the circuit. It's sad and awful. We need to get something done..>CONSOLIDATE

Kelly can't have a popcorn machine at bball and volleyball games because it blows the circuit. It's actually pretty sad.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: IndianYouthCoach</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coalblackened</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SportsJunkie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sir, nobody can take away my Dawg Pride. We should form our own school district. We will not be told what to do, the elites of Wise and Big Stone can't hold us back! I hope the people of St. Paul and Pound will join with us and overcome these terrible tyrants called school board members! Kyle Fletcher and Mark Hutchinson will save us all! </div></div>

& it's this that makes me ashamed of Appy.
Please. I mean, we need to consolidate. Plain and simple, and some person gets on here with no real solution as to why cons. should NOT happen other than I GOT DAWG PRIDE BOOYYYZZ. *headdesk* Mark Hutchinson is not going to save you, sorry but he won't and can't. You never know what actually goes on behind closed doors. & just because his wife works at Appy does not mean a darn thing. People open your eyes. This consolidation will benefit every school board member, and they know it. </div></div>

You might want to be carefull. You are on your way to being on Appy's most hated list with me. Pretty soon, you'll get PM's from lpdball telling you what a disgrace you are. They wont even ID themselves in PM's. Anyway, preach on brother. </div></div>

haha and what is an Internet threat going to do. Oh my, my life isn't going to end because of the LPD forum. And sir, If you're the one who was announcing at the JJK/Appy peanut game I'm pretty sure everyone in Appy hates you. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]

I"m the one. Fortunatly, my mom doesn't hate me. So I'm good with it.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh I did look up the exact figures to where I am from of the town as am not from the higher income drawing of any of the cities and median income in my home area is $33,000 which on paper is what $4,000 more but factor in township taxes and more than 5 times greater property taxes that more than equals it out. </div></div>

Sir, you sound like an elitest are you from St. Paul? High and mighty Pittsburgh, I'm from Appalachia!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lou Holtz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Kelly can't have a popcorn machine at bball and volleyball games because it blows the circuit. It's actually pretty sad. </div></div>
We aren't able to run ONE cable and one breaker and we , taxpayers , are going to let these people spend about 100 mill on new schools? HMMMM.... I wonder how well managed this is going to be? [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif[/img] I'm hoping I get a big raise at work to help pay for this stuff.

There is one more thing that needs to be considered, especially if you're going to compare with other states. Remember, I said property taxes were ridiculous. And then elp6n posted the tax, I believe it was .52/100 of assessed value. The biggest difference between here and Pennsylvania, is the price of land. There it is approximately $5,000 an acre, with no house. Here, it runs between $12,000 and $15,000 with no house. Most of the land here has been stripped, so I would hate to see what prime farm land would cost, especially if it had it's own water source.