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    Re: Dutch bishop: Call God ‘Allah’ to ease relations

    The article is a commentary by a guest commentator. Apparently you didn't read it. It's irrefutable from a historical standpoint.

    Just because you don't like a source doesn't make that source automatically wrong.
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    Re: Dutch bishop: Call God ‘Allah’ to ease relations

    A couple of examples from the link. Historically factual:

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    Imperialistic

    The Muslim wars of imperialist conquest have been launched for almost 1,500 years against hundreds of nations, over millions of square miles (significantly larger than the British Empire at its peak). The lust for Muslim imperialist conquest stretched from southern France to the Philippines, from Austria to Nigeria, and from central Asia to New Guinea. This is the classic definition of imperialism -- "the policy and practice of seeking to dominate the economic and political affairs of weaker countries."

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    .....the Muslims, in their western imperialist, colonialist, bloody conquests, killed two to three times as many Christians as the Christians killed Muslims in all of the Crusades combined.

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    Let us rewrite the beginning of the U.S. News article as follows: "In 1095, after suffering from the murderous invasions of Muslim conquerors who killed tens of thousands of Christians through four-and-one-half centuries of Muslim imperialist, colonialist conquest, made slaves and eunuchs of Christians for the pleasure of the caliphs, burned down or sacked the holiest churches in Christendom, robbed and killed thousands of Christians on holy pilgrimage, brutally sacked and pillaged Jerusalem, and pillaged the countryside of Israel, western Europe, under the leadership of the Pope, decided to free the people of the Holy Land from their brutal masters and reclaim Christianity's holiest places for free Christian worship."

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    (Recent events)

    1. Muslim Turkey has expelled approximately 1,500,000 Greeks from its empire in the east and replaced them with Turks. They have massacred approximately 2 million Armenians and replaced them with Turks in the west.

    2. Muslim Turkey has invaded and occupied northern Cyprus, displacing the Greeks living there.

    3. Muslim northern Sudan has conquered much of southern Sudan, literally enslaving its Christian and pagan population.

    4. Indonesian imperialism has occupied all of non-Islamic western New Guinea and incorporated into Indonesia.

    5. Muslim Indonesia has invaded and conquered Christian East Timor with horrible loss of life.

    6. This very day, Muslim Indonesia is attempting to destroy Christianity in what used to be called the Celebes.

    7. A half-dozen Arab countries have fought two to four wars (depending how you count) in an attempt to destroy Israel and occupy its territory, and is currently continuing the attempt this very day with the publicly voted consent of 55 of the world's 57 Islamic nations.

    8. For no good reason, Muslim Libya has blown up western aircraft, killing many civilians.

    9. Muslim Iraq, in an imperialist war of aggression, invaded and occupied Muslim Kuwait.

    10. Muslim Iraq, in an imperialist act of aggression, invaded Muslim Iran with a resulting (some estimates say) death of 2 million people.

    11. Muslim Albania, this very minute, is attempting to enlarge its borders at Christian Macedonia's expense.

    12. Muslim Northern Nigeria has been (and is currently) an aggressor against the Christian south.

    13. Muslims expelled approximately 800,000 Jews from their homelands between 1947 and 1955.

    14. During Jordan's occupation of the West Bank, the kingdom undertook an unsuccessful attempt to make Jerusalem a Muslim city by forcing out approximately 10,000 Christian inhabitants.



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    Re: Dutch bishop: Call God ‘Allah’ to ease relations

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sup-rbeast</div><div class="ubbcode-body">God has many names... </div></div>

    GOd does have many names that point to his charactersitics, I agree,But none of those names are Allah. What we must realize here is that the Koran and the Holy Bible are in contridiction. The Koran teaches that Jesus was not the Son of God and that he was just a good moral teacher.The Bible on the other hand teaches that Jesus Christ was the Son of God and that he was sent to earth through a virgin birth to take away the sins of the world through his blood shed. Now knowing that I come to the conclusion that who Muslims see as god (Allah) is not the father of Jesus. That makes me wonder if God cares what his name is?
    Will you ever rise up and fight for your God-given rights? History shows that evil triumphs when good men do nothing.

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