Cross Processing Super 8

[Nigel]

I don't think you can do it using C41 chemistry for Ektachrome. The way I do my cross processing is I use the proper 1st developer but then I just don't bleach and
re-expose. I simply fix after the first go.

So you could start with your E6 1st developer and then fix from there. Good Luck--This is pure conjecture since I have never done
X-processing with color.

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[Mikko]

Correct me if I'm wrong, there is no re-expose step in E-6 process (color reversal)

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[mattias]

> I don't think you can do it using C41 chemistry for Ektachrome.

now this is getting hard to follow. are we talking e6 ektachrome? if we are, you sure can process it c41. if we're talking ekta vnf, perhaps not, even though i think it should work, but a motion picture color negative processor should do just fine.

> I have never done X-processing with color.

it's very different. the color comes from the second developer, so aborting half way won't work. actually, it's not even a straight develop, bleach, re-expose, develop, fix process.

/matt

[mattias]

i thought i explained all this already, but here it is, in a condensed form:

> 1. What film to shoot on? Exact stock please.

ektachrome vnf, or any of the e6 stocks that super-8 sound offer as a special order (ekta 100d, velvia, sensia).

> 2. What process method used? What solution, and what steps to add or subtract.

"the one they use for the vision stock." c41 probably works too, but i can't imagine any lab doing this for motion picture film.

> 3. What the final image will be, and what needs to be done to it to get the final image.

a negative, with weird colors and no orange mask. to view it, you'll have to print or telecine it.

> 4. What changes you might see from the regular processing method.

getting a negative image is the big one. you'll see a major color shift in some random direction, increased grain, and the contrast and saturation will be higher. the image will be a little darker too, so rate the film at least half a stop lower.

i haven't tried this with super-8, only with 16mm and stills. can't see how it would be any different though...

/matt

[miguelito]

I work in a color photo processing lab and I recently got the bright idea to process my own kodachrome k-12 (very old) film.The chemistry we use is the c-41 neg. processing chemistry intended for still photos. I began the processing with the intention of just having the film base be stripped-off so I could be left with a 50 foot reel of clear leader.(i had exposed the entire roll to light before I put it in the machine. The film came out, I was happy I had a roll of clear leader, everything was great, until..... I realized all that old silver was sticking to the next few customer's rolls that were processed after mine! It was a big mess!! It took some work but my co-workers and I were finally able to clear the film of all the silver. I'll never put kodachrome in that machine again.

By the way, does anyone know if ektachrome would contaminate the chemistry the way the kadachrome did?

Miguelito (michael)

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[mattias]

it won't. kodachrome has a black anti halo backing that causes most of this, plus it's really a black and white film (color is added in processing) that has nothing to do in a color developer whatsoever. if you remove the backing, you can supposedly process it as normal black and white film though. they say it turns out even sharper than plus-x...

/matt

[Supa-eight]

Wow, now I'm really confused with all this stock talk. When someone knows for sure how to shoot and cross process color Super 8, whatever method they finish on (i.e. video transfer, project, etc.), please post on here for everyone to read as follows:

1. What film to shoot on? Exact stock please.

2. What process method used? What solution, and what steps to add or subtract.

3. What the final image will be, and what needs to be done to it to get the final image.

4. What changes you might see from the regular processing method.

Thanks guys!



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