This is not to start a debate...

**jb_617** · December 10th, 2004, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by Chance1234:

Eddie

For a second pretend that asking me for the book is not an option ;-), the only choice you have of reading Dante's Inferno is at the speed i have deternimed to turn the pages. just like film what you see, the decision has been made by the director

If you can't work out what your audience needs to see in order to make your film (book, product, whatever) understandable then you have no business near a camera.

If you turn the pages intentionally fast, knowing that he can't read them, then you're just an idiot holding a book. Not an artist.

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Am I right or what?

**twister!** · December 10th, 2004, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by Chance1234:
The problem why film is not an art is down to what the viewer sees, the viewer has no choice. the decision have already been made by the director.

Are you saying there is no ambiguity in film? Depends on the film. I'm not sure what the 'choice' thing has to do with it anyway - it actually has nothing to do with it.

If you were to say "I don't think the films of Ron Howard are very artistic" - I'd probably agree but to be so generic as to say film is not art is just ridiculous.

**Spunkey1pestic** · December 10th, 2004, 02:09 PM

yOUR RIGHT jb

**MatJimMood** · December 10th, 2004, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by Chance1234:

ART IS NOT JUST ABOUT INTERPRETAION !

No but it is a crucial emelent of it.

Art is a form of communication. It is an externalising of the conscious mind.

**jb_617** · December 10th, 2004, 02:10 PM

Thankyou Spunkey, yaaar a daahlin'

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Super luvvie ster-ikes again.

**eidde** · December 10th, 2004, 02:11 PM

OK then if you are making the actual process of absorbing the creation too fast/difficult to absorb (like blindfolding someone before they go into an art gallery) then you are hijacking yourself.
I think youve got 2 points here:

1 - you didnt write Dante's inferno (Dante did) - you also didnt act each part in your film, or make the church/street/ all the props yourself etc.
BUT you act as the filter for what people see. Just as flipping the book pages you are filtering it - actually ruining a good read.
As such you could ruin a good performance with rough edit desicions.....
And so make 'bad art'.

Doesnt stop you being an artist, or it being art - even if its bad, or unwatcheable....

2 - I cant remember what the other point was, this is all going to fast....

**Spunkey1pestic** · December 10th, 2004, 02:11 PM

Matjimmood-
you are one heck of a deep thinker- I hope you write!

**Chance1234** · December 10th, 2004, 02:12 PM

I'll be back .... priority now is choosing a london pub for tonight

but

If you can't work out what your audience needs to see in order to make your film (book, product, whatever) understandable then you have no business near a camera.
If you turn the pages intentionally fast, knowing that he can't read them, then you're just an idiot holding a book. Not an artist.

Your just prooving my point there that FILM IS NOT ART

**jb_617** · December 10th, 2004, 02:14 PM

No, I was just going back to my original point. You're an idiot.

Have fun in the pub tonight. Are you in Central London?

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Drink!

[ December 10, 2004 10:15 AM: Message edited by: jb_617 ]