Yup. My mistake. I just put it on and it's definitely Vinnie. The booklet says so too.
I'm looking at the booklet from the cd right now, Vinnie is on the drums on that track. With mike brecker on sax...john beasley piano...david witham synths and vinnie drums.
That beggining fill screams vinnie and the fill before going into the main theme of the song just sounds like the vinnie snare sound from that era! I feel that he has an extra something in the cleanliness and precision department that set him appart from others
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ September 10, 2005 02:05 PM: Message edited by: S.P ]</font>
Yup. My mistake. I just put it on and it's definitely Vinnie. The booklet says so too.
i love kingston blues from that album! It was thanks to our very own Mr. Acrolite's (Keith Cronin) licks from hell that i found about J.P's first 2 albums and the great music and drumming that they contained!
OK--would love to hear why people heard this as Dave? The playing and drum sound are SO Vinnie--especially the fills. That starting fill doesn't sound like anything Dave would do--it screams Vinnie soaring electric jet fire. Though maybe some of the grooves sound a little bit Weckl-esque...?
But then it goes into those crazy subdivisions and polyrhythms in unusual places that are Vinnie signature. Not that Dave doesn't do these as well, but he tends to place it elsewhere and do slightly different things. Like, at 3:37, there is a solo over the line with those characteristic 32nd note doubles between his right foot and toms/cymbals and ends up in the...what else...single stroke roll between the hands and feet at 3:52 (though he is crashing with the snare on the upstroke). Also, the grooves at 2:20 and then 2:42 are so similar to stuff I've heard Vinnie play on other tracks, so distinct. And yes, the album clearly credits Vinnie on this track.
Compare contrast to track 4 on the same CD, "A Better Mousetrap," which is SO Dave. Dave so likes 4 and 4-and here as in many other tracks, while Vinnie tends to flow all over 4 like a dangerous liquid with sharp metallic shards in it. Vinnie's like the second Terminator (T2) in that he just goes liquid when he feels like it (although I'm not sure I want to compare Dave to Arnie aka "the Governator"). And yet could either of these really be confused with Acuna's or Foster's approaches on other tracks on the same CD, which at their most aggressive are no where near as aggressive as the inimitable VC? Alex has a more melodic/impressionistic focus, while Al has the more cymbal-based trad jazz thing going.
This could lead to another discussion of what makes a drummer's voice unique...which I always find interesting. Can Vinnie sound like Dave? Can Dave sound like Vinnie? Ah, whatev. Not to instigate. [img]graemlins/shhh.gif[/img]
Good post Spaceotter.
"Avenue D", of course that it's Vinnie on drums.
AWESOME track by the way !!!
Yeah, good one.
Yes, DEF Vinnie. Go even beyond the licks or phrasing, which are DEF Vinnie-ish - it [even] FEELS like Vinnie's playing. Because it is. [img]cool.gif[/img]
The only way i see any confusion is only in the fact that they are both phenomenal, advanced players. [img]wink.gif[/img]
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, actually, it's track 2 [Ave D]. [img]wink.gif[/img] [img]cool.gif[/img]Originally posted by S.P:
No It's vinnie
The track is track 1: Avenue D from John Patituccis's on the corner album
haha yeah my bad..track 1 is the title track "on the corner"
don't know why i put track 1 for avenue d
Here's the reason I thought it was Weckl. It sounds like his drums to me! I swear I am hearing that late 80's / early 90's 8" Yammy with the pitch bend. Is it possible Vinnie cut the track on Weckl's drums. I don't have the album here and I am not on a PC to listen to it. It sounded like those drums though on a single listening. Plus I swore I was hearing some "Spur of the Moment" style fills on that track. I guess it is Vinnie, but those were my reasons for saying Dave.
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