New Roland V-Pros with TD-20

[XNavyDrummer]

I just started working with the new Roland V-drums. Do any of you have experience with the TD-20? I've used the TD-10 for about 4 years.

Thanks

[hanayalator]

How are they?

[Lucius74]

TD-20's are great! I play on one everyday at the shop, the only problem is the hi-hat settings, it can go a bit out of proportion, I think only 'cause people screw around with it, but the idea of having an actual hi-hat there is cool, I like that, I only wish I knew more about it though! But from my experiences they seem to be pretty good.

[donu]

Did you ever try a ddrum ? if yes tell me you comparaison between thoses 2 electronic drum [img]wink.gif[/img]

[XNavyDrummer]

Lucius,

I now know what you mean about the hi-hat "going out of proportion". It sounds great until I execute a slightly open splash on the hi-hat, then massive level and distortion comes flowing out.

I've spent 10 hours with them so far. It will still take some time to dial them in. Nice kick, snare and cymbal sounds. I actually prefer the tom sounds that I have on the TD-10, though that may change after some more tweaking.

[hanayalator]

Can you import and export sounds?

[Vdrummer]

You can't import or export sounds on any of the Roland drum brains, td-3, td-6, td-8, td-10 or td-20. Roland stuff usually has lots of cool extras, backing tracks, click, mixer or even rhythm coach - as on the td-3.

The ddrum stuff sounds good but you can't add your own sounds either and it has no bells or whistles like the Roland stuff. You can load new sounds from Clavia's website for free though. The memory on the ddrum4 is very limited though.

The new top Yamaha kit (which I still haven't heard) is far cheaper than the top Roland kit, appears well made but with rubber heads - not mesh, but it allows users to import their own samples. A very nice feature, for the power user or drummers who can't just find the right tom sound.

Brad

[Mathias Sarsgaard]

The new V-drums are great. Roland has been thinking of every little detail, like brushes is possible. There's also different sounds on the hoops, on each tom/snare.

definitely the best electric drums on the market! They're also pretty expensive.

[FuseU1]

Altho I know that we are talking of the 20 here, I have both the TD-10 Vs & the ddrum3s.

The d3 has sound sample capability. The 4 does not, but the 3 does not have the HH foot-pedal capability that the d4 has [independent of striking the pad w the sticks/only w the foot by itself]. The Rolands DO have the HH/FP capab, which is very good. I understand that the ddrum4 does have the HH/FP capab, but it does not have the sampler.

The Rolands are not better than the ddrums IMO, altho they are quite nice. The triggering is not as fast as the d's, & there is a slight delay in milliseconds from the pad-strike to the sound coming forth. The d's do not have this problem.

Also, the mesh R pads...altho at 1st they seem to be quite nice, after a while you notice that you are having to develop a diff technq to play them. They have a much more 'reboundy' or 'rubbery/bouncy' feeling than the d's or real acou drums, & they 'give' a little more than both, which makes you have to adapt accordingly. I don't know if this is good in the long run. After playing on them for almost an hour, my hands start to get tingly...this is not a technq problem either. It is the response of the pads, & being a diff technq to have to adapt to from the feel of real drum heads, which the d's are closer to.

The Rs tend to misfire ENAT, esp when executing very rapid rudimentally based playing, & when you are executing a rimshot [not 'side-stick']. The d's never have this prob.

And now, on to those !@#$%&*^ clamps that came w the td10s - they are the worst design pieces-of-**** that I've ever seen on a rack mount system. If one 'pops' on you, the new ones that you have to buy are built WAY better, & oh, incidentally, they cost ya too...pad mount clamps = $35 list a 'pop,' which starts to add up after a few breaks. Now why they can't just make better clamps & INCLUDE THEM uin the initial list price of the VERY COSTLY unit IS BEYOND ME. As Zappa would say, "I don't like 'cheapness'"...when you pay as much as near 4 grand for something, you'd better not SKIMP on the smaller parts [ie, PLASTIC housings for METAL tightening-screws]...oh yeah, & the orig clamps don't have the unlocking from around the rack tube capab, either. You have to SLIDE them off, which means undoing/sliding ALL the OTHER clamps [cym, toms, wires, etc] off the rack, AWA DISMANTLING parts of the rack itself. [img]eek.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/grrr.gif[/img]

Very STUPID engineering for such an expensive unit. Even on the old Porcaro rack, you could remove the metal clamps/stand housing. It was a slight PITA, but at least it could be done.

The d's are a better unit so far, IMO, altho I am hearing that the 20s are a significant improvement...the td10 module/sounds 'upgrade' that was out a while aft the initial 10 had a KILLER hi-tom sound on it, in the 'Pop' drum kit. I still want to get that thing just for that 1 sound alone...or sample it into my ddrum3 from that upgrade [img]wink.gif[/img] .

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ June 27, 2004 01:03 AM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>