a statistical quandry

[SHATOUSHKA]

i love box tops for education....

now let me buffer by saying that i'm not a
big fan of 'support' programs like that
AT ALL... in fact, i've always been somewhat
suspicious of programs like that because
these programs usually SOUND good... but
don't normally give shit.

for some reason i'm fascinated by such programs....
prolly because i'm content on revealing the
bs they cover up with clever propaganda...

let me go on a tangent....

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the angel tree

for several years, i was an advocate for
the angel tree... even though it was part
of the salvation army (which i despise)...
i still appreciated the angel tree program
because i could actively purchase goods
for a particular child and know that child
would receive the exact things i purchased.
most of the time i would pick 2-3 children
a pop and get shit for them each year.

i was so IN to the angel tree... that i
would purchase toys and whatnot in advance
throughout the year (when things would go
on clearance etc) just specifically FOR the
angel tree kids i would eventually pick out.

a few weeks ago, i visited the angel tree
website... this one action would soon prove
to be a tremendous blow to myself and the
angel tree participation i delved in.

one thing i discovered on the site was that
each child should have no more than two
gifts (one preferably).
this immediately caused a problem with me
because as i said, i would have TONS of
shit for about 2-3 kids. naturally i would
conceal all the gifts in one giant box...
but i still felt this was a stupid regulation.

anyways.... the kicker.....

before, i was told that the gifts you purchase
for the kids would be collected and then
taken to some warehouse type place... then
divided up based on route, packed on a
van or truck... and distributed to the
children at their homes during the week
of xmas (usually given to the parents in
advance for placing under the tree).

WELL HELL NO!!!!

the site tells that the gifts are collected
and then the children are brought to a
fucking church... and are given the presents
AFTER they attend some fucking religious
thing (mass, sermon... wtfever you call it).

this pissed me off... SINCERELY!

i didn't appreciate the fact that these
gifts were a fucking ploy to add people
to a church's fucking roster....

i was FURIOUS to find out that in order to
receive these gifts, the children had to
come and endure some farkin service in exchange.

i should have known this because it was
through the salvation army.... but i was
TOLD otherwise by a god-damned angel tree
representative.


needless to say, i will no longer participate
in the fucking angel tree program. at this
very moment, i have two complete 12" doll
sets upstairs in my closet for two female
children i was going to pick this xmas...

but i will NOT be a part of a program that
not only exploits me... but exploits
the depravity of families and children
just so they can have more fucking people
to their 'cause'.


ahem... so back to the box tops thing... [img]redface.gif[/img]

so i've been saving box tops for years and
donating them to local schools etc....
i don't get alot of box tops because the
products associated with box tops are a bit
commercial and otherwise, farkin unhealthy.

anyways...
so i'm checkin the box tops website...
and you have to register in order to see
the top collecting schools etc blah blah blah...

and low and FUCKING behold....
6 of the 10 top collecting schools for the
03-04 school year were F***ing xtian.

now i know what you are all thinking....
that i have some chip on my shoulder about
xtians and blah blah blah... and while
that may be true... thats not the reason
for my sudden HORROR at this knowledge....

the problem with this statistic is that
6 of those 10 schools can fucking do without
the aid of box tops for education.
with the already present aid from local
and national governments, its not FAIR
that the more *prestigious* schools reap
the benefits of box tops (or some other
program of the like) when it is apparent
that other schools could really use the help
more.

now this isn't an issue with box tops as
it is with a problem of discretion amongst
the GD religious folk...

i realize this thread is prolly way long...
and i know that due to the element of this
thread, it will more than likely garner no
response....

but god dammit... this shit is pissin me off!!!!! [img]mad.gif[/img]

[Cyalaytr]

OK so what just keeps you from finding a poor familly and actually you yourself from being the secret santa and also finding a school who doesnt get all the funding it should and mailing the box tops directly to them?

[SHATOUSHKA]

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of ya, cya.... [img]wink.gif[/img]

[demon chloe]

just a few words to say

Box Tops for Education...really does work....

Soup Labels...do more for us..but thats just my school....


And yeap.... most likely its a christian school who reaps the most benefit...but...even still in todays day and age...

200.00 is a great big CHA CHING...for a lot of schools....

so thank you for saving them...... that is how I got an overhead projector.... Maybe you bought it [img]redface.gif[/img]

ANGEL TREES... are just one big...... mess IMO... well the big... organization ones...tend to be.

Any place that won't let me pick out my gifts myself... WRAp them myself.... means....( WE ARENT NECESSARILY GIVING YOUR GIFT TO THE INTENDED RECEIPIENT)

There is a local bank that sets up an angel tree. They come to us first... teacherrs...asking....if we can think of anyone...who might need some help this christmas...


~!!~~*** MY biggest concern is...multiple child families... Let say child A, B and C...from one family get gifts from SHatz.... and child D , E and F.... from the same family get gifts from the demon.......


SHatz blows the roof off.......
DEmon.... buys each a pair of gloves and a coloring book....


Fair? The look in the childs eyes? NO way......


I wish people would take whole families.... that way.... it would even itself out a little bit.


I was one of those nasty greedy mofo children.... OMG SHE GOT 4 more M&Ms than me...(scratches out eyeballs with gooey bloodshed)

make sense?

[SHATOUSHKA]

yesh... i agree.

i just wish/want a damned program that is FAIR

i wish/want a program that is TOTALLY non-profit

i just want to help others without feeling
exploited or arrogant

while i think its a good idea to check your
own neighborhood first, its somewhat not a good
idea to impose the 'donation' since you aren't
for sure how the family may receive it.

i liked the angel tree because these people
affirmed assistance... and that made it ok.

in regards to my multiple purchases, i did give
some consideration to the fact that an entire
family unit could be divided up on one angel
tree. i tried to compensate this by giving
unisex toys (like board games) in addition to
toys specifically for the child on the card.
even if the child had no siblings, they did
have A parent (at least). in addition, i never
bothered to purchase clothing even though most
of the cards have the sizes etc... instead,
blankets and shared items were given.

just like with the doll sets i have ... there
is more than one doll per set and loads of
accessories (a crib, a stroller, clothes etc).

i have a sis... and rest assured we got singular
gifts like that at xmas which were designed to
be shared rather than per child.

i could only assume this would have happened.

needless to say, i just want a program that is
farkin fair.... and while i do still do the
box tops... i have no idea about soup labels
or other assorted labels that my local schools
could use.

i'm not sure how to check this.
i checked my district website and it doesn't say anything [img]frown.gif[/img]

[demon chloe]

EAT SOME SOUP n stuff

[SHATOUSHKA]

thankey, dc [img]smile.gif[/img]