Question of time?

**pplaverita** · September 19th, 2001, 01:05 PM

I bet not. Obviously he had all the time he needed to setup this mind trap. eek

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Never onlyne

**SHATOUSHKA** · September 19th, 2001, 01:32 PM

again i have this confused look on my face.
maybe its too damned early.

*needs to go back to sleep*

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General Philosophy

**Alex** · September 20th, 2001, 12:06 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by zelazny:
soo..basically determinism in the way that every _moment_ is determined at 'decoding' instead of just using the begin state to calculate the current one?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Somehow, we have pre-determined free will.

Just don't ask me how.

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-Alex

**zelazny** · September 20th, 2001, 02:50 AM

that one i do understand.
it's like this: even though you can say what decision someone will take, that does not change that it still is that person's decision.
it's HIS decision, even if you can say what it will be.
If i tell someone that the left way will lead to the place he has to go to, and the right way doesn't, then i can predict with a certain reliability that he will go left.
but the choice to go left was still his.

hmm, this quickly became a mess.
let's see. In a nutshell: even though you can predict a choice, it still is a choice and not just a game you play to fit in with the prediction.

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Sure the universe is a great place, but if it wasn't here, no-one would miss it.

**SHATOUSHKA** · September 20th, 2001, 05:06 AM

free will is BS and we all know it.

go ahead and try me on this one...i am feeling kinda bitchy.

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General Philosophy

**pplaverita** · September 20th, 2001, 06:17 AM

Free will? Hmmmmm.... no.
Free Willy? Yes! wink

Will free? Plausible!

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Never onlyne

**Devil's Advocate** · September 20th, 2001, 12:18 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by SHATOUSHKA:
free will is BS and we all know it.

go ahead and try me on this one...i am feeling kinda bitchy.

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No thanks - I agree with you on this one! smile

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**SHATOUSHKA** · September 20th, 2001, 04:27 PM

i don't perceive that i have free will, nor do i perceive that anyone else does. that is the point. wink

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General Philosophy

**SHATOUSHKA** · September 20th, 2001, 04:30 PM

no wait, i'm not done.
kilz, you posted

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Reality is based on perception, and we all percieve that we have free will (through the act of decision making), so what's the point of saying otherwise?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

what choices are you referring to? do those choices, themselves, a product of free will? are choices something containing free will?
(blah blah blah)

you catch my drift.
(though not entirely directed at you, kilz) biggrin