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[SHATOUSHKA]

no language barrier...
just the usual argument.

if math is (fill in the blank)...how do you account for 0 and/or 1?

you see?

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[SHATOUSHKA]

...exactly.

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[Devil's Advocate]

Agreed
I suppose a similar argument could be made on that Free Will topic, yes?????

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[This message has been edited by Devil's Advocate (edited September 24, 2001).]

[Alex]

Heisenberg, or Eisenberg Random principle must be considered.

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[Alex]

SHATOUSHKA, I think I've come up with your "motive" relating to your view on the idea that there is no chance.

Your view ties into your pre-disposition to believe you would pee your pants in the back of the plane should you ever be caught in a hijacking.

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[pplaverita]

Thou shalt not use the words pee and pants in here. Never again!

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[state_vector]

It is Heisenberg, and it is the Principle of Uncertainty, dear Alex. And we don't play with this! It's not a game!
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The reduction of the State Vector is a process generated by the integration of consciousness interacting with the object of the experiment.

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[SHATOUSHKA]

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

DAMN I JUST CAN'T STOP LAUGHING!!!!

'THOU SHALT NOT'----BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

I LOVE IT!


p.s.--alex, i can't believe you brought that up!!!!!! waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha!!!!


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[Sapius]

Nothing happens by "chance". What seems to be a chance or luck is because we cannot detect or compute all the causes involved in a particular result.

What is involved in throwing a dice?

What was strength applied? In micro degrees.

Where did you stop your hand and let go of the dice? In micro angles.

Which finger finally let go of the dice, at which height from the board, at which angle in compared to the board?

What was the density of the spot at which the dice bounced off at, and consequently, the density of every spot and reflective angle of every bounce?

What was the gravitational force working on the dice at every point in time that the dice was in movement?

What was the wind speed at every micro movement that affected the dice from the time it began its journey until it stopped motionless?

What was the surrounding temperature, which affected the dice at every spot of travel it went through?

And much much more...

If we could compute all of the above, we can predict a perfect result at every throw. This applies to everything that you think happens by "chance".

"Chance" is a word that confirms our inability of knowing all the causes of a particular result.


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....just IMHO though.

[Alex]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SHATOUSHKA:


p.s.--alex, i can't believe you brought that up!!!!!! waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha!!!!

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Well, I'm seeing a pattern emerge here, you have made up your mind on how you will behave in a certain situation should it ever happen, and now you say there is no chance.

hmmmmm.


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