EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Alex]

Evil is denial of growth.

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Alex

[Beta-Decay]

I think I love you Alex.

I have thought that 'evil' is when someone has intent to do someone else harm when they know that it will hurt another.
Bad is when something not good happens.

For example: If I tied up your dog, then ran it over with my car, that would be evil.
However, if I accidentally hit it because you forgot to close your gate, that would be bad.



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[Shaz]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>That is evil number one....a book "telling" one what to do.....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought the real evil was discounting other belief systems based on a closed mind.

Not to meantion that your statement shows a compleate lack of understanding of the bible.

Going back to one of the few actually philosophic questions on the thread.
What is evil?

Evil as a thing: very difficult to discuss. This leads to biblical and other theological discussion.

Evil as an action: This I think we can discuss without getting into personal belief systems.

Can a person do evil?
If yes, what kind of actions are evil?
If no, does it exsist?

Is evil a human action?
If so, why are humans different and is evil a result of self awareness?

If evil is not a function of humans, what non human action is evil?

THERE, that may take this in a new direction. Hope to see some more action on this thread tommarrow.


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[SHATOUSHKA]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>i agree that evil (if it exists) must come from intent...moreso malice. but malice is a strickly human condition, a property. therefore, is it safe to assume that evil can exist but only if it pertains to humans? are humans somewhat responsible?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i still wanna know this.


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General Philosophy

[JimDenney]

Oh, I'm definitely convinced that evil is concept that applies strictly to intelligent life (notice, I do not restrict intelligence to human beings). Malice and intent are clear components of evil.

If my accelerator sticks and I drive over a pedestrian in the crosswalk, that's tragic. If I floorboard it and deliberately run down the pedestrian, that's evil. We all innately know the difference, and the difference is one of intent.

People may claim there is no such thing as evil or morality, but if that is so, there is no such thing as unfair or unjust or wrong, either.

If I walk up to you on the street and, without warning or reason, I punch you out and deck you, I guarantee you are going to take a moral position on that act. It is unfair to hit you when you're not ready and totally unsuspecting. It's unjust to hit you without reason or provocation. It's wrong. It's evil. We all innately know this to be true, even if we have a hard time defining or articulating exactly what makes evil evil.

But we know it when we see it or feel it. If we rationalise our way out of a belief in evil, if we intellectualize it away, well, fine, we can play those kinds of mind games. But evil is evil all the same.

Personal opinion: I think the main reason people want good and evil to be seen as mere human constructs without any objective reality is that we don't want there to be any moral law telling us what is right or wrong in any compartment of our lives. Eradicating the concept of evil means that there is no moral authority over our lives, and that is clearly what many people prefer.

That is not a universal statement about people who deny the reality of evil. There are many reasons for that denial, and some people's reasons are purely philosophical. This is not an indictment of any person who has posted an agnostic position on good and evil. This is merely my take on what I see as a major societal move away from a belief in commonly accepted standards of good and evil.

--jd



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[JimDenney]

SHATOUSHKA--

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>you are absolutely correct.
since you have finished the equation, i firmly say:
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS EVIL!!
(ha!) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I salute you for your consistency. I mean that sincerely--no sarcasm or irony intended.

If you are mugged, robbed, cheated, exploited, or otherwise abused or ill-used by someone else, you will not complain, you will not whine, because such acts are meaningless. There is no morality, no unfairness, no evil, and hence no reason to complain about anyone being unjust or unfair to you.

Of course, it's okay to say "ouch," because pain hurts whether it is "evil" or not. But at least I know I will never hear you say, "That's not fair."

--jd



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[pplaverita]

<quote>There is no such thing as Evil.</quote>
1. The world is the totality of states of affairs.
2. States of affairs are states between things.
3. States of affairs are not things themselves.
4. The Mind perceives things and conceives states of affairs.
5. Concepts pertain to states of affairs, not things.
6. Things are neither good or bad, and this also applies to states of affairs.
7. The Mind comprehends and apprehends things in their states of affairs.
8. Apprehension is a synonym to proprietorship or ownership.
(9. Ownership is robbery.)
10. Ownership (of either material things or concepts) causes advance.
11. Loss of such ownership causes recession.
(12. Where there is greed there is poverty.)
13. Pain is a symptom of loss.
14. Joy is a consequent of gain.
(15. No pain, no gain)
16. One's loss is not always another's gain.
17. One's loss generates one's urge to regain.
18. Sudden loss generates fear.
19. Depending to the gainer, fear either turns to hatred or piety.
20. No evil necessarily means god...
21. ... while god does not necessarily mean no evil.


PS. Forums are like real markets. People promote their ideas like merchants promote their goods.

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Never onlyne

[Intellectual Predator]

I think evil equals disfunctionality, as with any mechanism or tool it either does what it was designed to do and functions well or it doesnt and it breaks down. I have always seen it that way good works , evil does not work.

Good=works, evil=does not work.

How ever I do think the whole thing results in sort of an ugly dichotomy, maybe the original ugly dichotomy who knows.

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[SHATOUSHKA]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>People may claim there is no such thing as evil or morality, but if that is so, there is no such thing as unfair or unjust or wrong, either.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
you are absolutely correct.
since you have finished the equation, i firmly say:

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS EVIL!!
(ha!)



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General Philosophy

[gnosis_within]

there is no Evil, just as there is no Beauty or Truth.



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