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Originally posted by Tra:
You say the world is "known" to be big enough for some cosmic bang to occur. How is it known?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What? I didn't mean the Big Bang. I meant planets forming and things. I mean, if the universe were the size of my basement with Big Bang would still be likely. Besides, we know it's that big because or telescopes reach out millions of light years(There's another thing - how could creationism be true if we can see stars 65 million light years away?)
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You don't believe anything you can't see for yourself. No one has explored the entire universe...no one has seen it. How come you believe that but not in God?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">We have seen it - at least enough to know that it's big enough. Besides, there is evidence for the big bang. We can still detect echoes of a massive explosion in space today.
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Why is the burden of proof on us?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">OH MY goodness. YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME. BECAUSE THERE'S NO PROOF! DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS? We don't have to prove there's no God any more than we have to prove that there's no giant invisible lava mouse hiding in Mount Vesuvius!
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There is plenty of evidence that you refuse to see. It's like bashing my head against a brick wall. I guess I really shouldn't be surprised. Even you who should see the proof and still don't believe were mentioned in the Bible.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This is making me feel physically ill. I'm not even kidding. I'm shaking. You have been saying that from the beginning - but NOT ONCE have you actually posted any! You certainly MENTION it enough - but what IS it? You keep just saying "the proof I've already posted" or "you wouldn't understand." I CREATED this thread as a place for you to post evidence - NOT as a place for you to CLAIM that you have! Really! Post some! Every time I've asked you to, you just say "There is evidence all around us..." without actually saying what it is! Please. I suppose that you have posted some "evidence", but even you seem to have admitted that I've debunked it in this thread.
Look, God doesn't have to be proven for you to believe. I think it's good that you have such conviction. But I just wish that you would admit that your conviction ISN'T based on scientific fact!
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Even in the End Times there will be people who are visited by plagues and obvious manifestations of God's power and still they won't believe. Moses also dealt with unbelievers.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Like what? Plagues? Obvious manifestation? When did that ever happen? Ohhh, New Orleans sure was sinful - but Shinto/Buddhist China!
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Even after Jesus had done all these miraculous signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him. This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet:
"Lord, who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?"
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, assuming Jesus actually existed, which there is no evidence for outside of the bible(care to post any?), you're right. They would have been being blind. But I choose to see Jesus as, even if he did exist, a really wise man. I think that if he existed, his miracles were made up to make him seem more holy - which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
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For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere:
"He has blinded their eyes
and deadened their hearts,
so they can neither see with their eyes,
nor understand with their hearts,
nor turn?and I would heal them."[h] Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus' glory and spoke about him.
~John 12:37-41[/QB]
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">All done.
Edited to take out the use of the Lord's name in vain.
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 20, 2007 03:33 PM: Message edited by: Tra ]</font>