<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You say the world is "known" to be big enough for some cosmic bang to occur. How is it known? You don't believe anything you can't see for yourself. No one has explored the entire universe...no one has seen it. How come you believe that but not in God?Originally posted by stormchaser:
This argument has popped up in pretty much every thread here, so I'll make it a separate thread. Here are the only two arguments for God I've ever heard:
The world is too complex to happen without a God.
Actually, given the size of the universe(known to be either infinite or big enough for this to be true anyway) the odds are higher that everything that has happened would have at some point.
Where did everything come from if not a God?
Then where did God come from? You can say he was just "always there", but why does that make more sense than the universe having just been "always there"?
I've never heard any proof for the Bible being the word of God. Please post any if you have it.
See, there's no evidence against God, but there's no evidence for him. THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU. Scientifically, if there's no evidence, it doesn't exist.
That doesn't mean there's necessarily no God. There could still be one, but he just doesn't have any visible evidence. I just choose to believe that he isn't there because I've seen no reason for him to be there.
Any more evidence you'd like to share?
Why is the burden of proof on us?
There is plenty of evidence that you refuse to see. It's like bashing my head against a brick wall. I guess I really shouldn't be surprised. Even you who should see the proof and still don't believe were mentioned in the Bible. Even in the End Times there will be people who are visited by plagues and obvious manifestations of God's power and still they won't believe. Moses also dealt with unbelievers.
Even after Jesus had done all these miraculous signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him. This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet:
"Lord, who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?"
For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere:
"He has blinded their eyes
and deadened their hearts,
so they can neither see with their eyes,
nor understand with their hearts,
nor turn?and I would heal them."[h] Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus' glory and spoke about him.
~John 12:37-41
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