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April 8th, 2010, 12:28 AM
#21
Inactive Member
Re: Essentials
What? You don't want to play Sundering Titan? Doesn't everyone LOVE that card?
Oh wait, I lied.
But all the cards you listed for consideration I agree with. They are all excellent cards and great late game draws.
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April 8th, 2010, 07:01 PM
#22
Inactive Member
Re: Essentials
So I decided to order a bunch of essentials that I simply didn't have for one reason or another. Here is the list. Grand total $9.94 (including shipping).
Simic Sky Swallower
Tidespout Tyrant
Hallowed Burial
Spitting Image
All Suns' Dawn
Bane of the Living
Arc-Slogger
Indomitable Ancients
Stonehewer Giant
Silklash Spider
Raking Canopy
Hermit Druid
Magus of the Jar
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April 9th, 2010, 10:51 PM
#23
HB Forum Owner
Re: Essentials
The most current list (as per about 2/09)
Bosh, Iron Golem
Chrome Mox
Darksteel Colossus
Etched Oracle
Fellwar Stone
Gilded Lotus
Masticore
Memory Jar
Mind's Eye
Mox Crystal
Mox Diamond
Nevinyrral's Disk
Scroll Rack
Sensei's Divining Top
Skullclamp
Sol Ring
Solemn Simulacrum
Sword of Fire and Ice
Sunforger
Tawnos's Coffin
Umezawa's Jitte
Vedalken Orrery
Academy Ruins
Adarkar Wastes
Badlands
Battlefield Forge
Bayou
Bloodstained Mire
Brushland
Caves of Kolios
City of Brass
Flagstones of Trokair
Flooded Strand
Forest
Grand Coliseum
Island
Karakas
Karpulsan Forest
Kor Haven
Krosan Verge
Library of Alexandria
Llanowar Reborn
Llanowar Wastes
Maze of Ith
Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
Mountain
Murmuring Bosk
Nimbus Maze
Plains
Plateau
Polluted Delta
Reflecting Pool
Savannah
Scrubland
Shivan Reef
Stomping Ground
Strip Mine
Sulfurous Springs
Swamp
Taiga
Terramorphic Expanse
Tolaria West
Tropical Island
Tundra
Undergroud River
Underground Sea
Urborg
Vesuva
Volcanic Island
Volrath's Stronghold
Windswept Heath
Wooded Foothills
Yavimaya Coast
Yavimaya Hollow
Zoetic Cavern
Avatar of Woe
Bane of the Living
Damnation
Demonic Collusion
Demonic Tutor
Diabolic Tutor
Guiltfeeder
Kokusho, the Evening Star
Liliana Vess
Living Death
Mortivore
Oversold Cemetary
Recurring Nightmare
Sudden Death
Tortured Existence
Allied Strategies
Ancestral Vision
Arcanis the Omnipotent
Bribery
Bringer of the Blue Dawn
Cunning Wish
Drift of Phantasms
Fabricate
Fact or Fiction
Forbid
Future Sight
Magus of the Jar
Mystical Teachings
Stroke of Genius
Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
Tidespout Tyrant
Time Spiral
Tradewind Rider
Willbender
Wonder
Brion Strongarm
Conflux
Doran, the Siege Tower
Eladamri's Call
Hellkite Overlord
Hull Breach
Jund Charm
Kaervek the Merciless
Knight of the Reliquary
Meglonoth
Mirari's Wake
Mystic Enforcer
Oros, the Avenger
Pernicious Deed
Putrefy
Rith, the Awakener
Shadowmage Infiltrator
Simic Sky Swallower
Sol'kanar the Swamp King
Spiritmonger
Sterling Grove
Teneb, the Harvester
Terminate
Vhati il-Dal
Vindicate
Vulturous Zombie
Woolly Thoctar
Spitting Image
Dead/Gone
Fire/Ice
Supply/Demand
All Suns' Dawn
Birds of Paradise
Chameleon Colossus
Crop Rotation
Defense of the Heart
Eternal Witness
Genesis
Hermit Druid
Joiner Adept
Kodama's Reach
Krosan Tusker
Living Wish
Nantuko Vigilante
Nostalgic Dreams
Pattern of Rebirth
Prismatic Omen
Protean Hulk
Raking Canopy
Recollect
Regrowth
Restock
Sakura-Tribe Elder
Scapeshift
Shard Convergence
Silklash Spider
Silvos, Rogue Elemental
Spike Weaver
Sylvan Library
Sylvan Scrying
Thornscape Battlemage
Tooth and Nail
Treefolk Harbinger
Wall of Blossoms
Yavimaya Elder
Akroma, Angel of Fury
Ancient Grudge
Anger
Arc-slogger
Avatar of Fury
Burning Wish
Firestorm
Flameblast Dragon
Flametounge Kavu
Rakavolver
Recoup
Stigma Lasher
Wheel of Fortune
Academy Rector
Akroma, Angel of Wrath
Akroma's Vengeance
Balance
Commander Eesha
Crib Swap
Decree of Justice
Dismantling Blow
Enlightened Tutor
Eternal Dragon
Exalted Angel
Glory
Hallowed Burial
Indomitable Ancients
Land Tax
Martial Coup
Oblation
Orim's Thunder
Path to Exile
Pristine Angel
Ray of Revelation
Reya, Dawnbringer
Rout
Spirit of the Hearth
Stonehewer Giant
Swords to Plowshares
Tithe
Weathered Wayfarer
Wing Shards
Wrath of God
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April 9th, 2010, 10:52 PM
#24
HB Forum Owner
Re: Essentials
Everything that has been left behind:
Cauldron of Souls
Citanul Flute
Darksteel Ingot
Duplicant
Grinning Totem
Ivory Tower
Journeyer's Kite
Lotus Bloom
Mangara's Tome
Oblivion Stone
Planar Portal
Platinum Angel
Minamo, School at Water's Edge
Okina, Temple of Grandfathers
Shinka, the Bloodsoaked Keep
Decree of Pain
Faceless Butcher
Mind Twist
Night Dealings
Rend Flesh
Sudden Spoiling
Tainted Pact
Braingeyser
Compulsion
Dizzy Spell
Greater Morphling
Johnny, Combo Player
Trinket Mage
Captain Sissy
Dimir Infiltrator
Fires of Yavimaya
Loxodon Hierarch
Mystic Snake
Trygon Predator
Cold-Eyed Selkie
Assult/Battery
Order/Chaos
Spite/Malice
Who/What/When/Where/Why
Civic Wayfinder
Deranged Hermit
Far Wanderings
Farseek
Forgotten Ancient
Harrow
Hibernation's End
Hystrodon
Journey of Discovery
Krosan Grip
Land Aid 04
Loaming Shaman
Rampant Growth
Reap and Sow
Search for Tomorrow
Skyshroud Elf
Utopia Tree
Werebear
Worldly Tutor
Ancient Hydra
Fledgling Dragon
Goblin Bombardment
Desolation Giant
Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
Knollspine Dragon
Starstorm
Chastise
Exile
Gift of Estates
Magus of the Disc
Mangara of Corondor
Seal of Cleansing
Spectral Lynx
Temple Acolyte
Vengeful Dreams
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April 10th, 2010, 12:44 AM
#25
HB Forum Owner
Re: Essentials
Here's Jason's list with a bit of the more obvious chaff edited out.
[QUOTE=jrr;1819355]Now that Aaron is back, I think its about time to start updateing the Essentials. I've compiled a list of cards from Alara Block, M10, Zendikar, and Worldwake that could be playable in the Essentials. And I beleive that the Essentials needs to be updated to the new 5-color rules too.
Shards of Alara
www.FindMagicCards.com - Bant Panorama
www.FindMagicCards.com - Esper Panorama
www.FindMagicCards.com - Grixis Panorama
www.FindMagicCards.com - Jund Panorama
www.FindMagicCards.com - Naya Panorama
Wild Nacatl: www.FindMagicCards.com - Wild Nacatl
Hissing Iguanar (this can get kind of silly in multiplayer): www.FindMagicCards.com - Hissing Iguanar
Relic of Progenitus (some of the best GY hate printed): www.FindMagicCards.com - Relic of Progenitus
Arcane Sanctum: www.FindMagicCards.com - Arcane Sanctum
Crumbling Necropolis: www.FindMagicCards.com - Crumbling Necropolis
Jungle Shrine: www.FindMagicCards.com - Jungle Shrine
Savage Lands: www.FindMagicCards.com - Savage Lands
Seaside Citadel: www.FindMagicCards.com - Seaside Citadel
www.FindMagicCards.com - Bant Charm
www.FindMagicCards.com - Esper Charm
Rhox War Monk: www.FindMagicCards.com - Rhox War Monk
Stoic Angel: www.FindMagicCards.com - Stoic Angel
Invincible Hymn (I refuse to play it, but it is good): www.FindMagicCards.com - Invincible Hymn
Knight of the White Orchid: www.FindMagicCards.com - Knight of the White Orchid
Ranger of Eos: www.FindMagicCards.com - Ranger of Eos
Elspeth, Knight-Errant: www.FindMagicCards.com - Elspeth, Knight-Errant
Empyrial Archangel: www.FindMagicCards.com - Empyrial Archangel
Prince of Thralls: www.FindMagicCards.com - Prince of Thralls
Rafiq of the Many: www.FindMagicCards.com - Rafiq of the Many
Sarkhan Vol: www.FindMagicCards.com - Sarkhan Vol
Conflux
Rupture Spire: www.FindMagicCards.com - Rupture Spire
Armillary Sphere: www.FindMagicCards.com - Armillary Sphere
Reliquary Tower (some people really like this): www.FindMagicCards.com - Reliquary Tower
Exotic Orchard: www.FindMagicCards.com - Exotic Orchard
Inkwell Leviathan: www.FindMagicCards.com - Inkwell Leviathan
Magister Sphinx (at least in the wishboard): www.FindMagicCards.com - Magister Sphinx
Noble Hierarch: www.FindMagicCards.com - Noble Hierarch
Obelisk of Alara: www.FindMagicCards.com - Obelisk of Alara
Wall of Reverence: www.FindMagicCards.com - Wall of Reverence
Maelstrom Archangel: www.FindMagicCards.com - Maelstrom Archangel
Progenitus: www.FindMagicCards.com - Progenitus
Thornling: www.FindMagicCards.com - Thornling
Alara Reborn
Qasali Pridemage: www.FindMagicCards.com - Qasali Pridemage
Anathemancer: www.FindMagicCards.com - Anathemancer
Bloodbraid Elf: www.FindMagicCards.com - Bloodbraid Elf
Enlisted Wurm: www.FindMagicCards.com - Enlisted Wurm
Lorescale Coatl: www.FindMagicCards.com - Lorescale Coatl
Behemoth Sledge: www.FindMagicCards.com - Behemoth Sledge
Dauntless Escort: www.FindMagicCards.com - Dauntless Escort
Enigma Sphinx: www.FindMagicCards.com - Enigma Sphinx
Madrush Cyclops: www.FindMagicCards.com - Madrush Cyclops
Maelstrom Pulse: www.FindMagicCards.com - Maelstrom Pulse
Wargate: www.FindMagicCards.com - Wargate
Jenara, Asura of War: www.FindMagicCards.com - Jenara, Asura of War
Lord of Extinction: www.FindMagicCards.com - Lord of Extinction
Maelstrom Nexus: www.FindMagicCards.com - Maelstrom Nexus
Sen Triplets: www.FindMagicCards.com - Sen Triplets
Thraximundar: www.FindMagicCards.com - Thraximundar
M10
www.FindMagicCards.com - Acidic Slime
www.FindMagicCards.com - Nature s Spiral
www.FindMagicCards.com - Dragonskull Summit
www.FindMagicCards.com - Drowned Catacomb
www.FindMagicCards.com - Glacial Fortress
www.FindMagicCards.com - Rootbound Crag
www.FindMagicCards.com - Sunpetal Grove
www.FindMagicCards.com - Baneslayer Angel
www.FindMagicCards.com - Master of the Wild Hunt
Zendikar
Kor Skyfisher: www.FindMagicCards.com - Kor Skyfisher
Mold Shambler: www.FindMagicCards.com - Mold Shambler
Expedition Map: www.FindMagicCards.com - Expedition Map
Explorer's Scope: www.FindMagicCards.com - Explorer s Scope
Arid Mesa: www.FindMagicCards.com - Arid Mesa
Emeria, the Sky Ruin (because why not): www.FindMagicCards.com - Emeria, the Sky Ruin
Marsh Flats: www.FindMagicCards.com - Marsh Flats
Misty Rainforest: www.FindMagicCards.com - Misty Rainforest
Scalding Tarn: www.FindMagicCards.com - Scalding Tarn
Verdant Catacombs: www.FindMagicCards.com - Verdant Catacombs
Day of Judgment: www.FindMagicCards.com - Day of Judgment
Luminarch Ascension (I don't care what Abe says, this is good for the essentials): www.FindMagicCards.com - Luminarch Ascension
Bloodchief Ascension: www.FindMagicCards.com - Bloodchief Ascension
Scute Mob: www.FindMagicCards.com - Scute Mob
Rite of Replication (this gets silly): www.FindMagicCards.com - Rite of Replication
Rampaging Baloths: www.FindMagicCards.com - Rampaging Baloths
Sorin Markov: www.FindMagicCards.com - Sorin Markov
Worldwake
Bojuka Bog: www.FindMagicCards.com - Bojuka Bog
Tectonic Edge: www.FindMagicCards.com - Tectonic Edge
Everflowing Chalice: www.FindMagicCards.com - Everflowing Chalice
Chain Reaction (I'm trying this, we'll see how it goes): www.FindMagicCards.com - Chain Reaction
Creeping Tar Pit: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/WW/C...Pit.htmlKazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs: www.FindMagicCards.com - Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs
Marshal's Anthem: www.FindMagicCards.com - Marshal s Anthem
Raging Ravine: www.FindMagicCards.com - Raging Ravine
Stoneforge Mystic: www.FindMagicCards.com - Stoneforge Mystic
Terastodon: www.FindMagicCards.com - Terastodon
Thada Adel, Acquisitor: www.FindMagicCards.com - Thada Adel, Acquisitor
Dragonmaster Outcast: www.FindMagicCards.com - Dragonmaster Outcast
Novablast Wurm: www.FindMagicCards.com - Novablast Wurm
Wrexial, the Risen Deep: www.FindMagicCards.com - Wrexial, the Risen Deep
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April 10th, 2010, 09:20 PM
#26
HB Forum Owner
Re: Essentials
The deck will need around 36 non-land additions.
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April 10th, 2010, 09:54 PM
#27
Inactive Member
Re: Essentials
I think we need to start by pointing out weaker cards in the current deck and picking out must have cards from the new sets.
My first vote on weaker cards is Firestorm. I feel like 90% of the time when I have it sitting I wish it was anything else or I could cycle it away or something. Sure its 1 mana, but by the time its useful I generally have 7-10 available. It just doesn't really do a lot, even if I have a Wonder or Riftstone Portal in my hand... it feels like too much of a liability to use it except in dire circumstances.
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April 10th, 2010, 11:45 PM
#28
Inactive Member
Re: Essentials
I was about to pull Firestorm from my deck. I've used that card maybe twice in the two years of having it.
Another card(s) that Jason and I have talked about are the wishes. We both stated that if it's a good enough sorcery, or land, or whatever, that it should already be in the deck. So if you have it, I would like to see the wish board for those cards.
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April 10th, 2010, 11:59 PM
#29
HB Forum Owner
Re: Essentials
The last update of the wishboard (like 7/08)
Name
Silent Arbiter
Viridian Shaman
Draco
Rorix Bladewing
Duplicant
Bone Shredder
Sunscape Battlemage
Goretusk Firebeast
Shard Phoenix
Aven Cloudchaser
Loaming Shaman
Mystic Snake
Avalanche Riders
Ancestor's Chosen
Verdeloth the Ancient
Verdant Force
Caller of the Claw
Desolation Giant
Desolation Angel
Balthor the Defiled
Karmic Guide
Platinum Angel
Izzet Chronarch
Artifact Mutation
Shatter
Krosan Grip
Naturalize
Disenchant
Chastise
Desertion
Wipe Away
Recoil
Crosis's Charm
Remove Soul
Capsize
Stonewood Invocation
Agonizing Demise
Tsabo's Decree
Order/Chaos
Grab the Reins
Betrayal of Flesh
Wrecking Ball
Fling
Dead/Gone
Aura Mutation
Krosan Reclamation
Dissipate
Last Word
Congregate
Beacon of Immortality
Evacuation
Urza's Rage
Fault Line
Tempest of Light
Squall Line
Corpse Dance
Deflection
Shunt
Stifle
Price of Progress
Final Fortune
Fork
Reiterate
Angel's Grace
Diabolic Edict
Circular Logic
Splinter
Detonate
Dust to Dust
Temporal Eddy
Aether Mutation
Eradicate
Death Mutation
Threaten
Fireball
Pyrotechnics
Buried Alive
Life from the Loam
Duress
Cranial Extraction
Mind Twist
Stone Rain
Denying Wind
Shatterstorm
Pyroclasm
Earthquake
Plague Wind
Final Judgement
Tranquility
Multani's Decree
Huricane
Armageddon
Twilight's Call
Pure/Simple
Zombify
Beacon of Unrest
Desert Twister
Traumatize
Coalition Victory
Relentless Assault
Barter in Blood
Haunting Echoes
Morality Shift
Aether Snap
Obliterate
The wish board allows a tool box. Certain situational cards. When you need them, you need them, but they're not good enough to pack main deck. For example, any X burn spell. Without a wish, you really have to waste a spot for that just in case burn.
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April 11th, 2010, 12:35 AM
#30
Inactive Member
Re: Essentials
Ah okay, I didn't know that the wish board was that big. And I feel like Life from the Loam should be main decked...holy amazing card.
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