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    Re: Essentials

    What? You don't want to play Sundering Titan? Doesn't everyone LOVE that card?
    Oh wait, I lied.
    But all the cards you listed for consideration I agree with. They are all excellent cards and great late game draws.
    -Chad

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    Re: Essentials

    So I decided to order a bunch of essentials that I simply didn't have for one reason or another. Here is the list. Grand total $9.94 (including shipping).

    Simic Sky Swallower
    Tidespout Tyrant
    Hallowed Burial
    Spitting Image
    All Suns' Dawn
    Bane of the Living
    Arc-Slogger
    Indomitable Ancients
    Stonehewer Giant
    Silklash Spider
    Raking Canopy
    Hermit Druid
    Magus of the Jar
    -JRR

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    Re: Essentials

    The most current list (as per about 2/09)

    Bosh, Iron Golem
    Chrome Mox
    Darksteel Colossus
    Etched Oracle
    Fellwar Stone
    Gilded Lotus
    Masticore
    Memory Jar
    Mind's Eye
    Mox Crystal
    Mox Diamond
    Nevinyrral's Disk
    Scroll Rack
    Sensei's Divining Top
    Skullclamp
    Sol Ring
    Solemn Simulacrum
    Sword of Fire and Ice
    Sunforger
    Tawnos's Coffin
    Umezawa's Jitte
    Vedalken Orrery


    Academy Ruins
    Adarkar Wastes
    Badlands
    Battlefield Forge
    Bayou
    Bloodstained Mire
    Brushland
    Caves of Kolios
    City of Brass
    Flagstones of Trokair
    Flooded Strand
    Forest
    Grand Coliseum
    Island
    Karakas
    Karpulsan Forest
    Kor Haven
    Krosan Verge
    Library of Alexandria
    Llanowar Reborn
    Llanowar Wastes
    Maze of Ith
    Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
    Mountain
    Murmuring Bosk
    Nimbus Maze
    Plains
    Plateau
    Polluted Delta
    Reflecting Pool
    Savannah
    Scrubland
    Shivan Reef
    Stomping Ground
    Strip Mine
    Sulfurous Springs
    Swamp
    Taiga
    Terramorphic Expanse
    Tolaria West
    Tropical Island
    Tundra
    Undergroud River
    Underground Sea
    Urborg
    Vesuva
    Volcanic Island
    Volrath's Stronghold
    Windswept Heath
    Wooded Foothills
    Yavimaya Coast
    Yavimaya Hollow
    Zoetic Cavern


    Avatar of Woe
    Bane of the Living
    Damnation
    Demonic Collusion
    Demonic Tutor
    Diabolic Tutor
    Guiltfeeder
    Kokusho, the Evening Star
    Liliana Vess
    Living Death
    Mortivore
    Oversold Cemetary
    Recurring Nightmare

    Sudden Death
    Tortured Existence


    Allied Strategies
    Ancestral Vision
    Arcanis the Omnipotent
    Bribery
    Bringer of the Blue Dawn
    Cunning Wish
    Drift of Phantasms
    Fabricate
    Fact or Fiction
    Forbid
    Future Sight
    Magus of the Jar
    Mystical Teachings
    Stroke of Genius
    Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
    Tidespout Tyrant
    Time Spiral
    Tradewind Rider
    Willbender
    Wonder


    Brion Strongarm
    Conflux
    Doran, the Siege Tower
    Eladamri's Call
    Hellkite Overlord
    Hull Breach
    Jund Charm
    Kaervek the Merciless
    Knight of the Reliquary
    Meglonoth
    Mirari's Wake
    Mystic Enforcer
    Oros, the Avenger
    Pernicious Deed
    Putrefy
    Rith, the Awakener
    Shadowmage Infiltrator
    Simic Sky Swallower
    Sol'kanar the Swamp King
    Spiritmonger
    Sterling Grove
    Teneb, the Harvester
    Terminate
    Vhati il-Dal
    Vindicate
    Vulturous Zombie
    Woolly Thoctar


    Spitting Image


    Dead/Gone
    Fire/Ice
    Supply/Demand


    All Suns' Dawn
    Birds of Paradise
    Chameleon Colossus
    Crop Rotation
    Defense of the Heart
    Eternal Witness
    Genesis
    Hermit Druid
    Joiner Adept
    Kodama's Reach
    Krosan Tusker
    Living Wish
    Nantuko Vigilante
    Nostalgic Dreams
    Pattern of Rebirth
    Prismatic Omen
    Protean Hulk
    Raking Canopy
    Recollect
    Regrowth
    Restock
    Sakura-Tribe Elder
    Scapeshift
    Shard Convergence
    Silklash Spider
    Silvos, Rogue Elemental
    Spike Weaver
    Sylvan Library
    Sylvan Scrying
    Thornscape Battlemage
    Tooth and Nail
    Treefolk Harbinger
    Wall of Blossoms
    Yavimaya Elder


    Akroma, Angel of Fury
    Ancient Grudge
    Anger
    Arc-slogger
    Avatar of Fury
    Burning Wish
    Firestorm
    Flameblast Dragon
    Flametounge Kavu
    Rakavolver
    Recoup
    Stigma Lasher
    Wheel of Fortune


    Academy Rector
    Akroma, Angel of Wrath
    Akroma's Vengeance
    Balance
    Commander Eesha
    Crib Swap
    Decree of Justice
    Dismantling Blow
    Enlightened Tutor
    Eternal Dragon
    Exalted Angel
    Glory
    Hallowed Burial
    Indomitable Ancients
    Land Tax
    Martial Coup
    Oblation
    Orim's Thunder
    Path to Exile
    Pristine Angel
    Ray of Revelation
    Reya, Dawnbringer
    Rout
    Spirit of the Hearth
    Stonehewer Giant
    Swords to Plowshares
    Tithe
    Weathered Wayfarer
    Wing Shards
    Wrath of God
    *mooooooooo*

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    Re: Essentials

    Everything that has been left behind:

    Cauldron of Souls
    Citanul Flute
    Darksteel Ingot
    Duplicant
    Grinning Totem
    Ivory Tower
    Journeyer's Kite
    Lotus Bloom
    Mangara's Tome
    Oblivion Stone
    Planar Portal
    Platinum Angel

    Minamo, School at Water's Edge
    Okina, Temple of Grandfathers
    Shinka, the Bloodsoaked Keep

    Decree of Pain
    Faceless Butcher
    Mind Twist
    Night Dealings
    Rend Flesh
    Sudden Spoiling
    Tainted Pact

    Braingeyser
    Compulsion
    Dizzy Spell
    Greater Morphling
    Johnny, Combo Player
    Trinket Mage

    Captain Sissy
    Dimir Infiltrator
    Fires of Yavimaya
    Loxodon Hierarch
    Mystic Snake
    Trygon Predator

    Cold-Eyed Selkie

    Assult/Battery
    Order/Chaos
    Spite/Malice
    Who/What/When/Where/Why

    Civic Wayfinder
    Deranged Hermit
    Far Wanderings
    Farseek
    Forgotten Ancient
    Harrow
    Hibernation's End
    Hystrodon
    Journey of Discovery
    Krosan Grip
    Land Aid 04
    Loaming Shaman
    Rampant Growth
    Reap and Sow
    Search for Tomorrow
    Skyshroud Elf
    Utopia Tree
    Werebear
    Worldly Tutor

    Ancient Hydra
    Fledgling Dragon
    Goblin Bombardment
    Desolation Giant
    Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
    Knollspine Dragon
    Starstorm

    Chastise
    Exile
    Gift of Estates
    Magus of the Disc
    Mangara of Corondor
    Seal of Cleansing
    Spectral Lynx
    Temple Acolyte
    Vengeful Dreams
    *mooooooooo*

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    Re: Essentials

    Here's Jason's list with a bit of the more obvious chaff edited out.

    [QUOTE=jrr;1819355]Now that Aaron is back, I think its about time to start updateing the Essentials. I've compiled a list of cards from Alara Block, M10, Zendikar, and Worldwake that could be playable in the Essentials. And I beleive that the Essentials needs to be updated to the new 5-color rules too.

    Shards of Alara
    www.FindMagicCards.com - Bant Panorama
    www.FindMagicCards.com - Esper Panorama
    www.FindMagicCards.com - Grixis Panorama
    www.FindMagicCards.com - Jund Panorama
    www.FindMagicCards.com - Naya Panorama
    Wild Nacatl: www.FindMagicCards.com - Wild Nacatl
    Hissing Iguanar (this can get kind of silly in multiplayer): www.FindMagicCards.com - Hissing Iguanar
    Relic of Progenitus (some of the best GY hate printed): www.FindMagicCards.com - Relic of Progenitus
    Arcane Sanctum: www.FindMagicCards.com - Arcane Sanctum
    Crumbling Necropolis: www.FindMagicCards.com - Crumbling Necropolis
    Jungle Shrine: www.FindMagicCards.com - Jungle Shrine
    Savage Lands: www.FindMagicCards.com - Savage Lands
    Seaside Citadel: www.FindMagicCards.com - Seaside Citadel
    www.FindMagicCards.com - Bant Charm
    www.FindMagicCards.com - Esper Charm
    Rhox War Monk: www.FindMagicCards.com - Rhox War Monk
    Stoic Angel: www.FindMagicCards.com - Stoic Angel
    Invincible Hymn (I refuse to play it, but it is good): www.FindMagicCards.com - Invincible Hymn
    Knight of the White Orchid: www.FindMagicCards.com - Knight of the White Orchid
    Ranger of Eos: www.FindMagicCards.com - Ranger of Eos
    Elspeth, Knight-Errant: www.FindMagicCards.com - Elspeth, Knight-Errant
    Empyrial Archangel: www.FindMagicCards.com - Empyrial Archangel
    Prince of Thralls: www.FindMagicCards.com - Prince of Thralls
    Rafiq of the Many: www.FindMagicCards.com - Rafiq of the Many
    Sarkhan Vol: www.FindMagicCards.com - Sarkhan Vol

    Conflux
    Rupture Spire: www.FindMagicCards.com - Rupture Spire
    Armillary Sphere: www.FindMagicCards.com - Armillary Sphere
    Reliquary Tower (some people really like this): www.FindMagicCards.com - Reliquary Tower
    Exotic Orchard: www.FindMagicCards.com - Exotic Orchard
    Inkwell Leviathan: www.FindMagicCards.com - Inkwell Leviathan
    Magister Sphinx (at least in the wishboard): www.FindMagicCards.com - Magister Sphinx
    Noble Hierarch: www.FindMagicCards.com - Noble Hierarch
    Obelisk of Alara: www.FindMagicCards.com - Obelisk of Alara
    Wall of Reverence: www.FindMagicCards.com - Wall of Reverence
    Maelstrom Archangel: www.FindMagicCards.com - Maelstrom Archangel
    Progenitus: www.FindMagicCards.com - Progenitus
    Thornling: www.FindMagicCards.com - Thornling

    Alara Reborn
    Qasali Pridemage: www.FindMagicCards.com - Qasali Pridemage
    Anathemancer: www.FindMagicCards.com - Anathemancer
    Bloodbraid Elf: www.FindMagicCards.com - Bloodbraid Elf
    Enlisted Wurm: www.FindMagicCards.com - Enlisted Wurm
    Lorescale Coatl: www.FindMagicCards.com - Lorescale Coatl
    Behemoth Sledge: www.FindMagicCards.com - Behemoth Sledge
    Dauntless Escort: www.FindMagicCards.com - Dauntless Escort
    Enigma Sphinx: www.FindMagicCards.com - Enigma Sphinx
    Madrush Cyclops: www.FindMagicCards.com - Madrush Cyclops
    Maelstrom Pulse: www.FindMagicCards.com - Maelstrom Pulse
    Wargate: www.FindMagicCards.com - Wargate
    Jenara, Asura of War: www.FindMagicCards.com - Jenara, Asura of War
    Lord of Extinction: www.FindMagicCards.com - Lord of Extinction
    Maelstrom Nexus: www.FindMagicCards.com - Maelstrom Nexus
    Sen Triplets: www.FindMagicCards.com - Sen Triplets
    Thraximundar: www.FindMagicCards.com - Thraximundar

    M10
    www.FindMagicCards.com - Acidic Slime
    www.FindMagicCards.com - Nature s Spiral
    www.FindMagicCards.com - Dragonskull Summit
    www.FindMagicCards.com - Drowned Catacomb
    www.FindMagicCards.com - Glacial Fortress
    www.FindMagicCards.com - Rootbound Crag
    www.FindMagicCards.com - Sunpetal Grove
    www.FindMagicCards.com - Baneslayer Angel
    www.FindMagicCards.com - Master of the Wild Hunt

    Zendikar
    Kor Skyfisher: www.FindMagicCards.com - Kor Skyfisher
    Mold Shambler: www.FindMagicCards.com - Mold Shambler
    Expedition Map: www.FindMagicCards.com - Expedition Map
    Explorer's Scope: www.FindMagicCards.com - Explorer s Scope
    Arid Mesa: www.FindMagicCards.com - Arid Mesa
    Emeria, the Sky Ruin (because why not): www.FindMagicCards.com - Emeria, the Sky Ruin
    Marsh Flats: www.FindMagicCards.com - Marsh Flats
    Misty Rainforest: www.FindMagicCards.com - Misty Rainforest
    Scalding Tarn: www.FindMagicCards.com - Scalding Tarn
    Verdant Catacombs: www.FindMagicCards.com - Verdant Catacombs
    Day of Judgment: www.FindMagicCards.com - Day of Judgment
    Luminarch Ascension (I don't care what Abe says, this is good for the essentials): www.FindMagicCards.com - Luminarch Ascension
    Bloodchief Ascension: www.FindMagicCards.com - Bloodchief Ascension
    Scute Mob: www.FindMagicCards.com - Scute Mob
    Rite of Replication (this gets silly): www.FindMagicCards.com - Rite of Replication
    Rampaging Baloths: www.FindMagicCards.com - Rampaging Baloths
    Sorin Markov: www.FindMagicCards.com - Sorin Markov

    Worldwake
    Bojuka Bog: www.FindMagicCards.com - Bojuka Bog
    Tectonic Edge: www.FindMagicCards.com - Tectonic Edge
    Everflowing Chalice: www.FindMagicCards.com - Everflowing Chalice
    Chain Reaction (I'm trying this, we'll see how it goes): www.FindMagicCards.com - Chain Reaction
    Creeping Tar Pit: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/WW/C...Pit.htmlKazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs: www.FindMagicCards.com - Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs
    Marshal's Anthem: www.FindMagicCards.com - Marshal s Anthem
    Raging Ravine: www.FindMagicCards.com - Raging Ravine
    Stoneforge Mystic: www.FindMagicCards.com - Stoneforge Mystic
    Terastodon: www.FindMagicCards.com - Terastodon
    Thada Adel, Acquisitor: www.FindMagicCards.com - Thada Adel, Acquisitor
    Dragonmaster Outcast: www.FindMagicCards.com - Dragonmaster Outcast
    Novablast Wurm: www.FindMagicCards.com - Novablast Wurm
    Wrexial, the Risen Deep: www.FindMagicCards.com - Wrexial, the Risen Deep
    *mooooooooo*

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    Re: Essentials

    The deck will need around 36 non-land additions.
    *mooooooooo*

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    Re: Essentials

    I think we need to start by pointing out weaker cards in the current deck and picking out must have cards from the new sets.

    My first vote on weaker cards is Firestorm. I feel like 90% of the time when I have it sitting I wish it was anything else or I could cycle it away or something. Sure its 1 mana, but by the time its useful I generally have 7-10 available. It just doesn't really do a lot, even if I have a Wonder or Riftstone Portal in my hand... it feels like too much of a liability to use it except in dire circumstances.
    -JRR

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    Re: Essentials

    I was about to pull Firestorm from my deck. I've used that card maybe twice in the two years of having it.
    Another card(s) that Jason and I have talked about are the wishes. We both stated that if it's a good enough sorcery, or land, or whatever, that it should already be in the deck. So if you have it, I would like to see the wish board for those cards.
    -Chad

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    Re: Essentials

    The last update of the wishboard (like 7/08)

    Name

    Silent Arbiter
    Viridian Shaman
    Draco
    Rorix Bladewing
    Duplicant
    Bone Shredder
    Sunscape Battlemage
    Goretusk Firebeast
    Shard Phoenix
    Aven Cloudchaser
    Loaming Shaman
    Mystic Snake
    Avalanche Riders
    Ancestor's Chosen
    Verdeloth the Ancient
    Verdant Force
    Caller of the Claw
    Desolation Giant
    Desolation Angel
    Balthor the Defiled
    Karmic Guide
    Platinum Angel
    Izzet Chronarch

    Artifact Mutation
    Shatter
    Krosan Grip
    Naturalize
    Disenchant
    Chastise
    Desertion
    Wipe Away
    Recoil
    Crosis's Charm
    Remove Soul
    Capsize
    Stonewood Invocation
    Agonizing Demise
    Tsabo's Decree
    Order/Chaos
    Grab the Reins
    Betrayal of Flesh
    Wrecking Ball
    Fling
    Dead/Gone
    Aura Mutation
    Krosan Reclamation
    Dissipate
    Last Word
    Congregate
    Beacon of Immortality
    Evacuation
    Urza's Rage
    Fault Line
    Tempest of Light
    Squall Line
    Corpse Dance
    Deflection
    Shunt
    Stifle
    Price of Progress
    Final Fortune
    Fork
    Reiterate
    Angel's Grace
    Diabolic Edict
    Circular Logic

    Splinter
    Detonate
    Dust to Dust
    Temporal Eddy
    Aether Mutation
    Eradicate
    Death Mutation
    Threaten
    Fireball
    Pyrotechnics
    Buried Alive
    Life from the Loam
    Duress
    Cranial Extraction
    Mind Twist
    Stone Rain
    Denying Wind
    Shatterstorm
    Pyroclasm
    Earthquake
    Plague Wind
    Final Judgement
    Tranquility
    Multani's Decree
    Huricane
    Armageddon
    Twilight's Call
    Pure/Simple
    Zombify
    Beacon of Unrest
    Desert Twister
    Traumatize
    Coalition Victory
    Relentless Assault
    Barter in Blood
    Haunting Echoes
    Morality Shift
    Aether Snap
    Obliterate

    The wish board allows a tool box. Certain situational cards. When you need them, you need them, but they're not good enough to pack main deck. For example, any X burn spell. Without a wish, you really have to waste a spot for that just in case burn.
    *mooooooooo*

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    Re: Essentials

    Ah okay, I didn't know that the wish board was that big. And I feel like Life from the Loam should be main decked...holy amazing card.
    -Chad

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