How to share wealth into Primez???

[Thaxlsyssilyaan]

Well, after a discussion with many primez member, i open the tread. The problem is, actually we have two different way of dealing with riches into clan:

- We sell to outside at overpriced cost, so the more adena come into clan, the more powerful we grow.
- We sell at underpriced into clan, we don't make many adena profit, but we have item profit.

Both option are viable, but, the problem is, we can't have both at a time running.
Why? lets' see.

The adena priority (selling overpriced to outsider) profit to the one who loot the item.
The item priority (underpriced for follower) profit to the one who need the most.

But some people want to have adena priority with their item (personal profite) and have item priority with others's item (to gain advantage again).

But some people can be screwed, for example, I, sell most of my craft material at 2x noc to Unikle, which is cheap, i sell him steel for 2k, while i could get 3,5k to 4k, i sell him Adamentite 10k, while i could get more ect... But i get low money, so i expect, other member to sell item I need, at these low price, ie: i need crafted leather, metalic fiber, and other crap.

The problem is, how can i buy these very expensive crafted leather, if i sell my steel so cheap??

So, either i sell steel overpriced outside, then i get lot of money, to buy expensive crafter leather to our member (or outsider).
OR
I sell cheap steel inside clan, and with the few money i gain, i can buy cheap crafted leather from inside clannie.

Now, you see why we HAVE TO CHOOSE one way OR the other, but both can't exist together, personnaly, i find both good way, even if item priority can lead to greed and jealous, but if we stay united, it can be possible.

So, now that the problem is exposed, it is your turn to say what you think about that, and together, we must choose one way, and stay united in that way!

[Dragonx]

whatever is the fair market price then sell to members at fair market price.

Just giv emembers priority to buy but not at a lowered price that would make it unfair for you to do business.

If doing business outside of clan earns yo umore than do it.
you rpriority is to make yourself rich and then you can euip yourself better and be stronger for clan.

while i can understand you wanna help a friend or etc you may do so if you choose but the option to sell outside for a bigger profit is above any other rule.

while selling cheaper ot clan is cool and all it doesnt work out and eventually disorder and chaos ensues. We must keep order and discipline with an strict econimic system of PROFITEERING for ones own gains over others needs.

If your rich and have good gear and YOU are taking care of your self well, then you are independent and have no outstanding money issues and can help the clan overall more by being a strong individual rather than a collective mass of us gimping each other into a group of sub par players with sub standard gear.

Also wether we like it or not we have ot buy from outside our clan also most of the time. Because we cant jsut rely on the clan itself for items.

thsi system works best becuz you can't expect a scavenger who farms 100 steels a day to give it all to the clan and who will get it and how many steel would each person get. Of our archers farming DV he get slucky and it drops 10 eminence bow shafts, who will get it and who will get how many.
Every little item and drop will become voted on, clan duties will 100x fold over night. This clan won't do anyhting but argue daily who gets edge #1 and who get sShaft #2 and who gets steel #3.

Capitalism system is the best way / supply and demand, Just slel it at a fair market value. If you can sell steel for 3k outside then ask if clan amtes wanna buy it for 3k first is all. Because you worked hard for your loot and you farmed hard, and thsoe items are yours ot do as you will. I for one will not be makign demands on how you sell or who you sell it to.

[pvp]

liek u sold eme shaft for 800k?

we need all to be stronger not indivisual u think u can siege alone? NO

[Psymon171]

Here's the deal...

Obviously an Eminence Shaft for example is worth 800k since MG has sold it for that. So if you were to help out the clan and sell it ot the clan which benifits the clan as a whole then you don't charge 800k, and you don't charge 100k. Give your fellow members like a 200k discount off items and that way you don't gimp yourself and you help out the clan as a whole.

Sure, you could go sell to the outside for 800k and not make the clan stronger. And you could sell to the clan, taking a 100-200k loss on profits and make the clan stronger. This game is very socialistic and if you don't learn to work together in even the smallest way a clan will never succeed. I don't think it's asking a lot to lose 100-200k to help out the clan as a whole. Incase you don't know what the clan as a whole means that means YOU and EVERYONE in the clan.

As far as petty BS like Steel that is just whoever gets the random split gets to sell it. IF someone in clan wnats the steel then instead of selling it for 3k to the outside sell it to your clan mate for 2k. You benifit the clan as a whole and you only lose 1k per steel, big deal.

Basically the point of this reply is to say that you have to help your fellow clan members out. I could give a shit if you had the best S grade gear and a level 75 character. If the rest of your clan is level 50 with the best C grade gear it's not going to make any difference, is it? You aren't going to siege a castle by yourself, are you? So it's not asking much to help eachother out just a little.

If no one wants the items you have then by all means sell it to the outside, if they decide they need it later then too bad for them, they had the chance while it was there and they didn't take it so it's too late now.

Also, if someone doesn't want to sell it to you for whatever reason, we aren't going to force them. It's everyones right as being an official Primez member to act as an individual and make their own choices when it comes to who and who they don't sell their items to. Basically it's up to the person themself to help eachother out, if they can't think like a member of a team then they can't think like a winner either. So if everyone wants to be a winner then start thinking like your a member of a team, because you are.

Most people don't feel granted for being in this clan either. Some clans (not going to mention any names) will force their warsmiths to craft for free all day, force their scavengers to farm all day, etc. Do we force you to do things? NO! We let you do what you want to benifit your character. At the same time you need to benifit the clan though. You can benifit both the clan & your own character by just helping eachother out and give some discounts on items.

One more thing before I end this reply. IF you make a deal with someone YOU HAVE TO HONOR IT. If you tell some clan mate you are going to sell him something for 50k and 3 hours later you find out it's worth 1 million you better sell it to the clan mate you made a deal with for 50k. It's your fault for not pricing around first.

I want EVERYONE to read over everything and just let it all sink in for a couple days and then you can give your opinions, if you still have one. You can't make everyone happy if you force people to do things in a clan. So this is the best way.

[Dragonx]

some members play 12 hrs a day and some play 6 hrs a day.

So obviously the 12 hr a day member will make 2x and wear 2x better gear than the 6 hour member.

So you can't look at the 12 hr member and whine he should help the clan out more or he should help your lazy azz out more, It's not his duty to babysit another member. If you only play 6 hrs a day then you deserve what you put into the game and if you play 12 hrs a day you deserve what you put into the game.

If you think that in the real world you only work 6 hrs a day and ur co worker works 12 hrs a day and you bitch at him to give you free money just because u wanna buy a new 32 inch TV becuz the 12 hr worker has a 32 inch tv already then you better be ready to be arrested for trying to rob another worker by force lol

Hard work and endless hours or playing or working is its own reward. Before you bitch about why people should help you, ask yourself if u deserve that help in the first place.

[WookE]

There really isn't a great solution to this situation. If you sell everything within the clan then you keep everyone's money and items inside the clan, but the clan doesn't actually gain anything. If you sell outside the clan, then there is a profit in adena only and the item is lost.

If a member desperately needs an item that is difficult to acquire, it should be sold to them at a fair market price, or else the clan will lose the same money that it would gain if the member that needs the item buys outside the clan.

So, either way there are positive and negative factors that are equal in my opinion. If something is sold outside the clan, the dedication (and occassional luck) of one player is rewarded in full. If something is sold inside the clan, a player that does not work quite so hard in acquiring the items may benefit with less trouble, as MG said.

While I always hear equality of all members preached, people know who works harder than themselves to get something done, and shouldn't expect to always be able to save money by that player's efforts.

Personally, I'll sell something to a clanmate much lower than it goes for on the market unless I'm in desperate need of money (yes pvp, enjoy your 250k eminence shaft [img]wink.gif[/img] ), but some people may think differently about it.