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    Way OT.. an afternoon with some Klipsch's.....

    I went in to one of those old school audio shops today - repairs piled high, loads of junk and some rare jems, thrown into the mix..... tantilising stuff...

    In for repair was a pair of Tannoy corner horns with big 15's lurking under perforated steel screens (I wished I could have heard them), and I got to feast my eyes upon a lovely set of matched Quad II monoblocks.

    I had been curious to know if the owner had any Altec gear in his collection, but there was nothing I wanted. We got to talking about Altec, Klipsch, JBL, Tannoy etc and he invited me to listen to a pair of new Cornwalls from the Klipsch Heritage series. As a former Khorns owner, it would have been rude not to! (Like I needed an excuse!)

    Well, we tried several cds and several amps (valve and ss) on these Cornwalls, and at first I was impressed. Then I noticed that the bass seemed boomy and to lack control, there appeared to be crossover issues in the mids and the was a real 'bloom' to vocals - quite coloured. I started feeling disappointed. I made a few suggestions and we changed out the front end, but the same issues came through irrespective. I would have loved to have had some silver cables to try. Occasionally, on uncomplex, well seperated music, they were quite commanding. But as soon as things got interesting, the Cornwalls fell apart.

    I wondered if they hadn't had much playing time in store, but the owner said he had had them for three months or so and the had seen frequent use. If I worked there, I would definitely be running them solidly for a good few days to see if that helped.

    Things got really bad for the Cornies though when we switched to a set of Klipsch RF7 II's that had been looming ominously in the background. I can think of no part of their performance on all the same equipment that was not far superior to the Cornwalls - except maybe a more slightly ''hi-fi-ee" upper mid presentation. Anyway the big RF's blew the Cornwalls to bits.

    I don't know why I was upset. The price was the same. If I was in the market, i would just buy the RFs. But I wanted they old-world charm of the Cornies to shine through and lay waste to the modern stuff. But they didn't.

    It is the first time I have wondered if I am doing the right thing in building my Altec 9 replicas. I know it is not an apples to apples comparison, but maybe the new gear is catching up, even surpassing the old stuff... it never seemed to be the case when I was selling hifi back in the late 90's - most gear was still aspiring to be half as magical as what had gone before - unless you were spending moonbeams.

    Right guys, I need you all to remind me how much better 19s are than Cornwalls....... go!

    Thanks for listening :-)
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    Re: Way OT.. an afternoon with some Klipsch's.....

    IIRC, in recent decades the Cornwall and Khorn woofer is a 'plain vanilla' Eminence design, i.e. a compromise design to work in either, though neither optimally. Regardless, there's an aftermarket variant available for the Cornwall, though it too has been found wanting over the long haul by some, so Caveat Emptor applies.

    As 'westend' noted in your other thread, the cab's alignment has a lot to do with perceived SQ and what the [ML]TL alignments I recommend address and FWIW, of the folks that have compared both the M19 and/or one of the Iconic [846] variants against its MLTL variant have [much] preferred the latter.

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    Re: Way OT.. an afternoon with some Klipsch's.....

    GM, thanks.

    Please dont take this the wrong way, but I sometimes have trouble understanding your posts. I am clearly amateur.

    Ok. Lets say I build an MLTL cabinet on your recommendation, which I am totally happy to do. Can you provide dimensions for me, or plans? I mentioned that I like the look of the 19. Perhaps I can work one of your designs to resemble the 19 near enough.

    Give me the dimensions, I will trust you :-). I am quite happy to build a speaker that is the size of a refrigerator (no joke). I have the space. But as I said before I know nothing about xo design etc. So I would need a design that would work with common xo (ie zilch/altec/gpa design)..

    Thank you sir.
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    Re: Way OT.. an afternoon with some Klipsch's.....

    You're welcome!

    Yeah, I get that a lot............I need to attach an acronym dictionary to 'newbie' posters among other things. Anyway, I’m pretty busy these days, but will respond in the other thread as time permits.

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    Re: Way OT.. an afternoon with some Klipsch's.....

    Thanks GM. Sorry if I seem demanding. :-)

    Even Onkens look good to me. Saw a pair today, made by a friend using TAD drivers. Sadly they were not connected for me to listen to, but they have some amazing reviews.

    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...9=w583-h252-nc

    My friend also informed me a mutual contact now owns Altec 19s - and unbelievably he is just up the road from where I am staying tomorrow. So I have an audition with 19s tomorrow! !!! Yay!
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    Re: Way OT.. an afternoon with some Klipsch's.....

    Coelacanth, I think you may be making a wrong turn. On the klipsch board many prefer the cornwall to the rf 7's. I ve owned 2 sets of cornwalls, one I modded which helped with the bass a lot, the other were factory. My 19's sound far superior. I would look hard at GM's mltl design that he did for Westend, that is a speaker I would love to hear. I am not bashing Klipsch here, amazing what they do with the drivers they choose. In fact I own a very large pair of klipsch copies. Good luck with your search!!!

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    Re: Way OT.. an afternoon with some Klipsch's.....

    Coelacanth I recommend you read some of Martin Kings Quarter Wave Length Speaker Design.. He has a Yahoo Group there were I'm a member he was offering his software (MathCad Explorer) free to his members.Not swure if it's still available though..It will help you with the MLTL design.. He's a very nice guy as well !

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    Re: Way OT.. an afternoon with some Klipsch's.....

    Thanks Altec Best, I have visited that site but can never seem to get beyond the security code when applying to join the group. Will try again.

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    Re: Way OT.. an afternoon with some Klipsch's.....

    Send Martin an email I had the same problem when trying to join..He will answer you quickly and get you sorted.

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    Re: Way OT.. an afternoon with some Klipsch's.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Altec Best View Post
    Send Martin an email I had the same problem when trying to join..He will answer you quickly and get you sorted.
    Couldn't flick me a pm with his email could you? I cant locate it..... EDIT Scratch that, sorted.. Thanks
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