Feds may sue Arizona...

Attorney General Eric Holder says the Justice Department may sue Arizona over its new immigration law.

Washington (CNN) -- Attorney General Eric Holder said Sunday that the Justice Department was considering a federal lawsuit against Arizona's new immigration law.

"We are considering all of our options. One possibility is filing a lawsuit," Holder told NBC's "Meet the Press." Possible grounds for the lawsuit would be whether the Arizona law could lead to civil rights violations, he said.

The recently enacted Arizona law initially allowed police to ask anyone for proof of legal U.S. residency, based solely on a police officer's suspicion that the person might be in the country illegally. Arizona lawmakers soon amended the law so that officers could check a person's status only if the person had been stopped or arrested for another reason.

Critics say the law will lead to racial profiling, while supporters say it involves no racial profiling and is needed to crack down on increasing crime involving illegal immigrants.

In Arizona, the city councils of Tucson and Flagstaff have decided to challenge the new immigration law in court.

Holder told ABC's "This Week" program that one concern about the Arizona law is that "you'll end up in a situation where people are racially profiled, and that could lead to a wedge drawn between certain communities and law enforcement, which leads to the problem of people in those communities not willing to interact with people in law enforcement, not willing to share information, not willing to be witnesses where law enforcement needs them."

"I think we could potentially get on a slippery slope where people will be picked on because of how they look as opposed to what they have done, and that is, I think, something that we have to try to avoid at all costs," Holder added.

Holder said comprehensive federal immigration reform is the best approach for the problem of illegal immigrants crossing U.S. borders. His stance echoed the approach favored by President Obama, who last week criticized the Arizona law and said he wants Congress to work on the issue this year.

Comprehensive immigration reform would include continuing government efforts to secure borders from illegal immigrants, as well as steps to crack down on businesses that employ them, Obama said at a Cinco de Mayo celebration at the White House.

In addition, he said, those living illegally in the United States would have to pay a penalty and any taxes they owe, learn English and "make themselves right with the law" before starting the process of gaining U.S. citizenship.

Holder: Feds may sue over Arizona immigration law - CNN.com

I figured they didn't have a clue about this one either. It is an enforcement law to have the police actually enforce federal laws that have been around since WW2. If they had any idea what the residents of Arizona go through daily out there they might actually step in and do there job and enforce the laws themselves and do something about securing the border. Anybody venture to guess the #1 and #2 kidnapping rate cities in the world?? #2 Pheonix right behind #1 Mexico City and who is committing these kidnapping's illegal immigrant gang members doing it for ransom.

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I figured they didn't have a clue about this one either. It is an enforcement law to have the police actually enforce federal laws that have been around since WW2. If they had any idea what the residents of Arizona go through daily out there they might actually step in and do there job and enforce the laws themselves and do something about securing the border. Anybody venture to guess the #1 and #2 kidnapping rate cities in the world?? #2 Pheonix right behind #1 Mexico City and who is committing these kidnapping's illegal immigrant gang members doing it for ransom.

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Legalize....

Legalize what???? Just let anyone who wants to come in and just by coming here their automatically a citizen???

How about we adopt Mexico's immigration laws and enforce them.

McCain-Kennedy Immigration Reform Bill vs. Mexico's Immigration Law - HUMAN EVENTS

Mexico has a radical idea for a rational immigration policy that most Americans would love. However, Mexican officials haven?t been sharing that idea with us as they press for our Congress to adopt the McCain-Kennedy immigration reform bill.

That's too bad, because Mexico, which annually deports more illegal aliens than the United States does, has much to teach us about how it handles the immigration issue. Under Mexican law, it is a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico.

At a time when the Supreme Court and many politicians seek to bring American law in line with foreign legal norms, it?s noteworthy that nobody has argued that the U.S. look at how Mexico deals with immigration and what it might teach us about how best to solve

our illegal immigration problem. Mexico has a single, streamlined law that ensures that foreign visitors and immigrants are:

* in the country legally;

* have the means to sustain themselves economically;

* not destined to be burdens on society;

* of economic and social benefit to society;

* of good character and have no criminal records; and

* contributors to the general well-being of the nation.

The law also ensures that:

* immigration authorities have a record of each foreign visitor;

* foreign visitors do not violate their visa status;

* foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country?s internal politics;

* foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned or deported;

* foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned or deported;

* those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison.

Who could disagree with such a law? It makes perfect sense. The Mexican constitution strictly defines the rights of citizens -- and the denial of many fundamental rights to non-citizens, illegal and illegal. Under the constitution, the Ley General de Poblaci?n, or
General Law on Population, spells out specifically the country's immigration policy.

It is an interesting law -- and one that should cause us all to ask, Why is our great southern neighbor pushing us to water down our own immigration laws and policies, when its own immigration restrictions are the toughest on the continent? If a felony is a
crime punishable by more than one year in prison, then Mexican law makes it a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico.

If the United States adopted such statutes, Mexico no doubt would denounce it as a manifestation of American racism and bigotry.

We looked at the immigration provisions of the Mexican constitution. [1] Now let's look at Mexico's main immigration law.

Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:

* Foreigners are admitted into Mexico "according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress." (Article 32)

* Immigration officials must "ensure" that "immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents. (Article 34)

* Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics," when foreigners are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when "they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy." (Article 37)

* The Secretary of Governance may "suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest." (Article 38)

Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:

* Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)

* A National Population Registry keeps track of "every single individual who comprises the population of the country," and verifies each individual's identity. (Articles 85 and 86)

* A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).

Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:

* Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)

* Foreigners who sign government documents "with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses" are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)

Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:

* Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)

* Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)

* Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico -- such as working with out a permit -- can also be imprisoned.

Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,

* "A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." (Article 123)

* Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)

* Foreigners who "attempt against national sovereignty or security" will be deported. (Article 126)

Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:

* A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)

* Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)

All of the above runs contrary to what Mexican leaders are demanding of the United States. The stark contrast between Mexico's immigration practices versus its American
immigration preachings is telling. It gives a clear picture of the Mexican government's agenda: to have a one-way immigration relationship with the United States.

Let's call Mexico's bluff on its unwarranted interference in U.S. immigration policy. Let's propose, just to make a point, that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) member nations standardize their immigration laws by using Mexico's own law as a model.

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Legalize what???? Just let anyone who wants to come in and just by coming here their automatically a citizen???

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Legalize pot and cut out much of the gang warfare. And understand, our ancestors for the most part were illegal immigrants in their own right..and this isn't Mexico. You could live like a king down there on a decent savings in US dollars..but it seems you would rather add to our prison population and let the taxpayers take care of 'em even more than they do already.

Don't really think our ancestors just got of the boat thinking free healthcare and free housing, and free food, and free etc.

Doesn't matter what they were thinking..they STOLE a nation from a group of people, rounded them up, and relocated them wherever they saw fit..so which is worse?

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Doesn't matter what they were thinking..they STOLE a nation from a group of people, rounded them up, and relocated them wherever they saw fit..so which is worse?

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So are you sugusting that we go the way of the Native american and allow ourself to be suplanted by the new wave of "Imagration" with no resestence?

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Doesn't matter what they were thinking..they STOLE a nation from a group of people, rounded them up, and relocated them wherever they saw fit..so which is worse?

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Yes it does matter. On a side note there was no STEALING to it. As bad as it may sound we took the land over by force rather easy. The same way a fighter wins the fight, its not fair it's life.

We have enough problems with jobs and homeless. Why should we add to the problem by giving everyone a free pass into the country? I am all for people coming in if they do it the correct way, but it is out of hand the way things are going.

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Yes it does matter. On a side note there was no STEALING to it. As bad as it may sound we took the land over by force rather easy. The same way a fighter wins the fight, its not fair it's life.

We have enough problems with jobs and homeless. Why should we add to the problem by giving everyone a free pass into the country? I am all for people coming in if they do it the correct way, but it is out of hand the way things are going.

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See it however you want but unless you are Native American, you are here because of immigration. The US has always promised sanctuary for the "weary and downtrodden" ie. Immigrants looking for a better life. So, what makes you or your ancestors any better than folks looking for the same things in life
that these people are? BTW, if the Native Americans had viewed it as a "fight" as you claim, no European country would have had a successful settlement in what is now the contiential US. Without them and their help the colonies at Jamestown and Massachusetts would have suffered the same fate as the one at Roanoke Island.