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Just wanted to know if the PMS system will make a difference on performance for JRSC B18B engines. Are they any good? A friend of mine is selling his to me. I heard that when you properly tune the PMS on forced induction cars, it will make a big difference. Is anyone using this type of system right now?
Any inputs on this guys?!
thanks
Defconsc
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yes the PMS is very good. if you read up on it you will see all the good features.
i love the PMS. if you buy it with datalogging it should come out to about $1000. the good part is that you dont need an upgradded chip(ecu), FPR, or even a fuel pump. if your car is running fine now then installing it wont efect anything but you could. it will be alot of help on the dyno and on the street.
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i can't wait to get rid of the JR EMS!
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GSedanR:
yes the PMS is very good. if you read up on it you will see all the good features.
i love the PMS. if you buy it with datalogging it should come out to about $1000. the good part is that you dont need an upgradded chip(ecu), FPR, or even a fuel pump. if your car is running fine now then installing it wont efect anything but you could. it will be alot of help on the dyno and on the street.
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Is it me, or was the Prelude JRSC kit the least thought out and least reliable JRSC kit out there?
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Greg Holden
96 GSR, JSRC @10psi, All the Goodies!
Best 1/4 ==> 13.356 @ 105.92mph (non-drag street tires!)
My JRSC Install Site
i suppose the electronics and fuel management are no worse than any of the other kits if you *added* the btc, map converter, and high flow pump to those kits.
however, i want more control! i don't like nonadjustable things that "remap timing and fuel curves..."
but to be fair to JR, except for running really lean my car has ran very well for many months.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Holden:
Is it me, or was the Prelude JRSC kit the least thought out and least reliable JRSC kit out there?
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[This message has been edited by schwett (edited January 21, 2002).]
[This message has been edited by schwett (edited January 21, 2002).]
I was contimplating getting the PMS system as opposed to Hondata. It's still up in the air for now.
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99 GSR- DRAG III Turbo
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 228GSR:
I was contimplating getting the PMS system as opposed to Hondata. It's still up in the air for now.
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i dont want to talk you out of anything but this is what i think:
they seem to have the same features but the HONDATA has the cool shift light(lights up the CEL to a set shift point, the full throttle shift feature, and the ability to move the vtec crossover point. good!
now the PMS can't do the shift light thing. also it doesnt say anywhere(manuals, instructions, etc.) that it can do fullthrottle shifts or move the vtec crossover but YOU CAN.
it has acc. ports where you can control NOS, vtec, fullthrottle shifts, etc. either by throttle position OR by RPM. the PMS gives you the the option of making three fuel/timing maps the you can switch to at any time(racing, fuel economy, city driving).
like i said this is what i think and i may have more info on the PMS because i've been using it. so if there's any other options the HONDATA has over the PMS please SPEAK UP.
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I had a PMS for a while and while it looks great on their website, it isn't the most user friendly system to try and go stand-alone with.
In order to use bigger injectors and stand alone you almost have to start from scratch on all the tables as it cannot re-calibrate the OE tables like the Hondata does. In fact some important features are not available on every application. Idle speed and Air/Water temp adjustments to name a couple. Yes, on my PMS for Honda it would not let me adjust the idle parameter which really sucked when using big injectors.
One main difference besides all the bells and whistles (that the PMS may be able to pull off with an ass load of relay work and electrical engineering using the Acc ports) is the fact that the PMS has no idea what VTEC is opposed to Hondata knowing, controlling, and fueling for the VTEC individually for both cams. Something PMS will always compromise somewhere for.
One other problem I had which could of been case specific was that I would have a data set that I was starting to feel comfortable with, and for no known reason, table parameters would change (be corrupted) without me doing anything, which could fry an engine quick.
I just didn't trust my engine to it.
Disclaimer - I have had numerous people who have had success with the unit tell me so. I also have talked to the biggest DRAG installer in town who had one and agreed with it not being up to par, said he killed multiple engines using it. Canned it and went ACCEL I think.
will the PMS make a noticable difference in power, and i guess be more reliable for the engine?
People here were saying that with larger injectors, the PMS won't compensate for that?
Any inputs on that?
Is it good to buy a used PMS system or a new one???
Oh BTW (ZIP) I'm going to purchase the O2 sim on importparts.com.
MY CEL has not come up as of yet though. ZIP does ALL GUTTED cats create a CEL light on?
Defconsc
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will the PMS make a noticable difference in power, and i guess be more reliable for the engine?
People here were saying that with larger injectors, the PMS won't compensate for that?
Any inputs on that?
Is it good to buy a used PMS system or a new one???
Oh BTW (ZIP) I'm going to purchase the O2 sim on importparts.com.
MY CEL has not come up as of yet though. ZIP does ALL GUTTED cats create a CEL light on?
Defconsc
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