'Sad and disheartened'

That is how I feel at the moment. I am so bl**dy pi**ed off after reading a thread on the Sony BBS which is totally inept because it won't let you login in so I can't reply there!

So let me reassure all of you who have been privileged enough to already hear all of TTATS

1. I fully intend to give this album a fair go, I don't ususally judge an album on one song!

2. Forgive me for not being "captivated" after hearing less than 2 min of a song that was soooooo very different from anything I expected.

3. Die another Day by Madonna grew on me. I never bought the cd, I just heard it because it was on the Die Another Day dvd I own, my first impression was not positive.

4. I detest (yes I know that is harsh) the noise that Specificus and Goldfrapp make, it's not my taste. As there has been a lot of reference to them with regard to Darren's new music can you blame me for being cautious which doesn't mean I'm not curious.

I sincerely hope I get to try before I buy this time round. Unlike many others I love Spin, until recently I always found it light and uplifting, well except for a couple of the tracks.

I wish I could say otherwise, but I now detect an attitude from some of those that have already heard this album towards those who haven't that I find hurtful....I suppose it's all in my mind though.

<font color="#9966FF" size="1">[ June 28, 2004 09:42 AM: Message edited by: NoRegrets ]</font>

I can understand what you must be feeling Barb. I know it is a difficult place to be in, when others have heard the album. I was thinking back to when Insatiable was first released (and when no one had heard Spin in its entirety) and of course we all had opinions and made pre-judgements as to what the rest of the album would be like [img]smile.gif[/img] That is just what we do as fans of music in general.

Stepping away from Darren for a moment... if I hear a first single from another artist, and I don't particularily like that single; I certainly think that I will probably not like the rest of the album. Sometimes I am proven wrong because I get some off-chance to hear the album, or they release a second single and I really like that song so I buy the album then; but none-the-less, I definitely do create some opinions on an entire album after hearing only one song. It is just the natural thing to do.

I think, what is frustrating to me, is that I have heard the album and I really really would love for others to hear what I heard - unbelieveably gut-wrenching lyrics set to music that is like no other and molds really well with Darren's voice. Maybe you will hear that, or maybe you won't; when you get to hear all of TTATS - either way, it is okay.

But it is not okay for you to feel as if others are getting down on you because you don't particularily like Popular. I speak for myself when I say this (but I think I can say with confidence that many fans who have heard the album feel the same way) as frustrating as it is for you to hear people say "you have to hear all the album before you judge", it is frustrating for me because I have heard the album and I know what I felt from it and I want so much for others (as I said earlier) to feel that too. lol

It is such an odd place to be in, and even odder sometimes because I can sense from some people who don't enjoy Popular (not from everyone -- just a couple, or so) this feeling that I must have only liked TTATS because it is Darren and not because it was actually a good album.

That is a load of bullshit. I have ears, I know what I like and what I don't like. If I thought this album were shite, I would say so (probably minus the shite word though [img]wink.gif[/img] ) My opinion that the album is good should be as valid as the opinion that says it is not - yet that is not what I feel is happening. [img]confused.gif[/img]

You see? This confusion and these mis-understandings, are felt on all sides. Believe me Barb, I don't believe anyone is trying to make anyone feel bad here. I really don't.

As for the "noise" in Darren's new album ... well... I would not have chosen that word to describe the music. It is not Specificus "noise", and comparing it to that because Robert has worked together with D on this album, is not really fair. Robert is capable of making a variety of music.. just as Darren is capable of making a variety of music (SG, Affa, Spin - none of these albums have the same types of sounds). Yes, the album is "techno", for lack of a better word. It's got a bit of a Depeche Mode feel in it, together with electric and acoustic guitar, bass, drums. Goldfrapp? Hmmm maybe a bit like that too, but less "noisy". The music is far more organized than what you hear in Goldfrapp.

I don't quite know how to describe it Barb. And in the end, my description may not fit what you feel when you hear TTATS because we each have our own tastes in music, and that is a lovely thing.

I hope this helps in some way or another. ((((HUGS))))

Barb you are fully entitled to your opinions and please don't feel that you have to justify them. Nobody is forcing anybody to like something that they don't like. All I would say about the album is to try and keep an open mind until you have heard all of it. It maybe that it won't be to your taste. I hope you get the opportunity to hear it if or before you consider buying it.

Popular isn't my favourite track either by a long way. I know it is very difficult to form any sort of opinion about something you haven't heard yet and to base those feelings on one short clip of one track.

Whether you come to like TTATS or not, everyone's opinion is valid.

[img]graemlins/girl_hug.gif[/img]

Janie xx

<font color="#9966FF" size="1">[ June 28, 2004 12:39 PM: Message edited by: DarrensPassion ]</font>

I also can't understand what all the secrecy is about regarding TTATS.I didn't go to a LP,so I haven't heard it yet, all I've heard is the 2 min clip of Popular.

Barb, I say each to their own, wether you like it or not has no influence on you as a person, it's a matter of personal choice and the world would be a very boring place if we all liked the same thing( although we are lepers at a certain other place if we don't go with the flow!!).

Going back to Popular, I have to confess I like the song.I think it's catchy and gets my feet tapping and I hear it going round in my head for hours afterwards. Personally I don't want to do as others have done and analyse it too much, I just want to enjoy it. Although after saying that, I hear it and it's just NOT Darren,it sounds too much like a commercial pop song to me, but that's not to say I don't like it, but it could be anyone singing that song and part of the magic used to be that Darren made each song his own, it seemed to have his personal stamp on it.IMO, Popular doesn't have that.

I hope that I enjoy the rest of TTATS, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it if I don't. Long gone are the days where I adored EVERYTHING Darren did and hung off his every word and movement, that was just damaging to me and people around me.

So yes, I'm looking foward to the album but if it's a bummer I know I have more important things in my life to focus on..... but it would be good to get a small part of the magic back.

I hope that makes sense, I know what I was trying to say and seem to have gone off on a bit of a tangent [img]eek.gif[/img]

<font color="#9966FF" size="1">[ June 28, 2004 02:21 PM: Message edited by: Donna32 ]</font>

*edited* I don't want to take away from Barb's original post so I am editing this.

<font color="#9966FF" size="1">[ June 28, 2004 04:26 PM: Message edited by: Laurina ]</font>

I think you know very well what secrecy I'm talking about Laurie, but I'll explain it to you if you want.

I'm talking about the fans who were able to attend an LP being asked to sign waivers saying they wouldn't discuss song titles or lyrics and that's only one example.

I would say more, but then I'd really start to rant.

Michelle

xx

Again... my apologies Barb

<font color="#9966FF" size="1">[ June 28, 2004 04:27 PM: Message edited by: Laurina ]</font>

I agree with the others Barb, we all have our opinion and all are valid. I'm expecting a lot from this album, from all the hype from the listening parties, but frankly Popular didn't cut it at all with me. I really was expecting something more meaningful, but this might be the best choice to grab people.

I want Darren to do well, I hope they know what there doing.

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Originally posted by Lainbrain:
I agree with the others Barb, we all have our opinion and all are valid. I'm expecting a lot from this album, from all the hype from the listening parties, but frankly Popular didn't cut it at all with me. I really was expecting something more meaningful, but this might be the best choice to grab people.

I want Darren to do well, I hope they know what there doing.

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<font size="3" face="Tempus sans ITC, Papyrus,Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I think you love the lyrics Lain [img]smile.gif[/img] They are gut-wrenchingly honest and some were very hard to hear and made me cry with sadness [img]frown.gif[/img] But as far as the music they are set to? That will be a decision you will have to make when you hear the album [img]smile.gif[/img]

Thanks everyone for the replies.

"Stepping away from Darren for a moment... if I hear a first single from another artist, and I don't particularily like that single; I certainly think that I will probably not like the rest of the album. Sometimes I am proven wrong because I get some off-chance to hear the album, or they release a second single and I really like that song so I buy the album then; but none-the-less, I definitely do create some opinions on an entire album after hearing only one song. It is just the natural thing to do"

Laurie the above comments really helped and when I can finally login to sony [img]mad.gif[/img] I may respond to the thread.

OK so I still can't login to Sony so here is my question

Can all of you who've heard TTATS put yourselves in the shoes of those who haven't, all you've heard of Popular is the almost 2 min clip...so would you have different feelings about his new album? How would you feel getting constant responses of "you have to hear the rest of the album, don't judge it on one song" Can you imagine you're not a fan of Darren, therefore no preconceived ideas, expectations? Can fans be truly objective? (I don't believe so)

Accusations of not letting go of SG and making up your mind to dislike it were rude (in my opinion).

You know I've come to accept now that part of what I'm feeling (not just unfairness towards a portion of Darren's fans) is exclusion - being out of the loop in what should have been an exciting time that has made it awkward to share feelings especially in places where I'd always felt comfortable before. It does not make me angryor sad, in fact it's hard to describe other than just what I said above...awkward.

My most sincere thanks to Dyan because for the first time in a long time I feel free to be me!

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