in-ears mixing

What kind of IEM's are you using? What kind of mixer? How bigs the band?

Since you play at diffrent clubs all the time you might be better off with a mic splitter http://www.procosound.com/contractor...plit/index.htm and a small console like the yamaha OV1 or something like that to split the mics to you and the FOH.

Is their ever a monitor engineer at any of these gigs or just a guy running the house mix? Maybe the house could send you back some busses of his mix so you would have 1 fader for drums 1 for keys.....Theirs so many ways you could do it.

Using either an O1V or a Mackie, running your kit into it then sending the drums out of the direct sends into the snake that in turn goes out to house/monitors. Have a 'band' signal sent to your board, then set the levels on your board between drums/band that you want in your ears.

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Originally posted by Randy Walker:
Using either an O1V or a Mackie, running your kit into it then sending the drums out of the direct sends into the snake that in turn goes out to house/monitors. Have a 'band' signal sent to your board, then set the levels on your board between drums/band that you want in your ears.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I agree; this is probably the best option. I use IEMs as well, but they only work well when I control my own mix (using a Mackie 1604 and submixing my drums). I generally only do it with my wedding/jobbing band and in the studio. Clubs are really hit or miss with IEMs because each one's PA is set up a little differently (and so are the sound guys!!!). Sometimes it's killer and sometimes it's awful. So my best course of action is to bring my in-ears with me and talk to the soundman about using them when setting up/soundchecking (you need a pretty long soundcheck to get a good mix set), but be prepared to ditch them and just use a wedge if it doesn't work.

In the studio they work GREAT because they isolate really well, and you don't have to crank them up to an ear-splitting level if you're in a small, loud room with your drums.

-Tom

Thanks for the help guys. I'm using shure model p6hw with good ear molds, and I have access to our allen and heath(sp) board. I'm just confused about the sending and receiving part. I need complete control of the other instilments too. My band uses a lot of delay. Many times, the guitarist's dotted eighth not delay is what I'm focusing on and other times its the bass. I need to be able to control all levels. Why the macki board? the o1v is a little spendy right? whats the cheapest board that will do the trick? We use our A $ H board thats hooked up to our recording equipment so I'd like to leave that alone if possible. Anybody use the new Avion box. it sends a ethernet cable to you instead of a big expensive stake. talked to a sound guy who thought it was pretty hip and the box can give out 4 sep. sterio mix's for each band member. Pretty cool...
lats thought. with my own mixing board, as long as the knobs stay and aren't moved, will the mix be consistant night to night, or will I be adjusting levels due to different venues stage box, snakes, monitor board, ect...
Thanks again,
Sammy J.

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with my own mixing board, as long as the knobs stay and aren't moved, will the mix be consistant night to night, or will I be adjusting levels due to different venues stage box, snakes, monitor board, ect...
Thanks again,

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">For the most part, yes levels will stay the same but you might see a little adjustment needed due to room change and so forth. What maybe you coul dnot hear the night before in that room could be overwelmingly loud in another.
Why the Mackie? It's a good inexpensive board, it can run 4 individual mixes if needed, 4 band eq on each channel.
The O1 is very expensive and allot of stuff to figure out too, if your not savy to digital then I don't recomend it, it has a learning curve.
With the Mackie or similar board, you could run 8 channels of drums (i assume this is enough) then you would have 8 channels left over for your band instruments that you need and yes it can be done for their signals to be run to you individualy, it just takes a little extra setup time night to night.
Th Mackie in cost is around 800.00, the Behringer copy is half that cost and about the same quality.

If you look into getting a good board with balenced direct out's then you could just run the channels from your board to the snake. Even if you don't plan on using any effects or dynamics for your mix I'd invest in a limiter on the mix to your ears so if anything happens your still safe.

Hey, I'm struggling with monitors. I've used in-ears in the past and found them to be a nightmare due to the inconsistency of a new monitor guy each night. I'm wanted to run my own mixing board(beside me) and my in-ears out of it. What is the best route??? I've been told to run all the stage mics into my mixer and then a snake to the their stage box. I've been told to run a split snake between their stage box and then to my mixer but this will cut the signal in half for everybody. And I've heard that many smaller clubs will have a hard time running me a mix to my mixing board because of re-routing issues on their end. whats the easiest, cheapest, and most efficient way??? Help, help, help......
Thanks for anybody's input,
Sammy J.

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Originally posted by Drumdawg:

lats thought. with my own mixing board, as long as the knobs stay and aren't moved, will the mix be consistant night to night, or will I be adjusting levels due to different venues stage box, snakes, monitor board, ect...
Thanks again,
Sammy J.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">To an extent you can keep it the same, but you may need to do a bit of tweaking on the fly. Mine stays pretty consistent from venue to venue. That's one good thing about the 01V--you can save mix/eq/etc. settings and just recall it if you need to. This is especially nice if knobs get moved during setup/breakdown. And the "older" 01v isn't too expensive. You can get it on ebay for around $600-750. The Mackie sounds really nice and punchy due to the XDR preamps, and I've heard nothing but great things about the Allen & Heath boards. I also have a Behringer, and while cheap and simple, it doesn't come close soundwise IMO to the others mentioned. It works well in a pinch though.

I've used the Avion box a bit, and it's easy to use, but I don't know how it would be compatible to a band's sound system.

-Tom

How is the low end response in you guys' IEMs?

I know that a lot of guys who tour w national pro acts use that sub-woofer-vibration attachment to their thrones to give that dynamic feel of low end bottom, but this seems to suit best in the large venues, altho i know a couple guys who use them almost exclusively always...

& how is this in the smaller venues?...

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ July 30, 2004 02:20 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>

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