Fusion is the music of EGO

...and Merry Christmas to you! [img]graemlins/present.gif[/img]

if u actually knew this board properly you would know that people on this board appreciate all kinds of music. We dont just listen and share fusion music....we are all open to many/any different musical styles. I ve got barry white..ive got my spanish music that i listen to...but who doesnt enjoy some blowing here and there...i mean thats where the innovation comes in...thats where we see our favourite players being pushed to the limits and creating something exciting...i think we all here listen to a mix of stuff that balances out well..and not just fusion as you say

"Maybe we should change the name of this place to house of fusion, cause that seems to be the only thing that drummers listen to.

learn me somethin new . . . i dare ya!
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Gladly... While all of your statements, however gross and blow up may be. They are yours. Opinion is not nessicarily fact.

You seem to have a rather negitive contation to things being fused.

I can tell you there are several people on this board who have formally studied other genere's of music. However that isn't the issue...

You seemed to have logged fusion into it's own genere.. when in reality it is the combonation of fusion of 2 or more genere's. Awww so that's where the name came from!

So to sit there and say it this or that, it's musical masterbation and the bastardized version of jazz is bull.

Fusion is by the very meaning of it's name, the fusing of styles. Most often the improvisational aspects of jazz mixed with X genere.

In this respect one could easily argue that Karizma's 'Document' album is fundimentally no different then Miles Davis 'Kind of blue'.

That all said.. I'm not sure what your point is. That the guys here do not delve deeply enough into other more straight music? As if that's wrong in some way?

What you find here at the House of Drumming is a collection of drummers who delve deeply into the art of playing drums fueled by the love of playing.

That includes as one it's corner stone the pushing of boundries to further the instrument, new techniques, phrasing and so forth.

It just so happens you see this geniune advance in the art of drumming more so in 'fusion' then other forms of music, such as pop, rock etc.

However it is interesting to note something here, you are taking an extremelly esoteric standpoint on this. If I were to play John Coltrane for my dad, then pop in britches brew, then some sick track off the pena-colauita bootleg.. my dad would simply say if asked, it sounds all like jazz to him.

Being a non musician he see's music in much simpler terms.. Jazz, Blues, Rock, Funk etc.
Also he is a very much active jazz listener and supporter (88.1 for youlocal guys) and loves to see it live. So he does know the music.

If you're trying say people here need to broaden their tastes.. I'm going to have to dissagree, people recently posted Al Green, R&B tunes, comment on latin players, disscuss the funky brothers like Stanton Moore, David Garbaldi etc

Though here is the lesson in music from me, if it is so much so.
No matter how you cut it; blues isn't that far away from jazz and isn't that far off from funk.
They are pretty much variations on the theme.

So pick a new theme...

Walk outside and listen to the wind in the trees, try and pick out phrases, melodies. Go turn your shower on so it just drips, listen to the tones and rythms that randomness will generate, they are there.
If we are to expand our minds musically.. we must expand our concept of music first.

very good post josiah...that was a good read

The other day i was hearing the Sting Chicago Session... Vinnie plays just great... but i was wondering why when he records with Sting there?s a LOT of parts that he keeps really SIMPLE and when he?s playing live he start to play a lot of accents, fills, splashs... i mean, of course they are cool, but i can?t figure it out. If he choosed to keep it simple when recording because that?s the way the song feels better, why changing it live? Don?t get me wrong, i love improvisations, but sometimes the hole "doing it because i can" gets me tired.
Hear the Colaiuta-Pena-Garfield concert hosted by Steve and give a new dimension to the word OVERPLAY (it doens?t mean that you cant enjoy it).
Said that, i have to say that i LOVE Vinnie and i?m a huge fan. But it doesn?t mean that i LOVE everything he does, because i don?t.

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Originally posted by dr-funkenstein:

Lets go somewhere you guys likely havent yet been yet.

Parlaiment/Funkadelic


that was a breif list of some people who may have never been mentioned on this board.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I've mentioned them a few times on here, possibly my favorite band. Tiki Fulwood, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, hell Dennis Chambers, Tyrone Lampkin, Frankie "Kash" Waddy, some great great drummers there. As for Fusion getting a lot of play here, it's great music. We all have our own tastes too. That's what makes HOD so great, we all have our own tastes and you can get hipped to some real good shit on here.

Very Interesting post [img]tongue.gif[/img] , i'am divided on this subject, i agree that some (many ?) fusion are masturbation but like real masturbation when it's well done and if it's time to time why not ? [img]wink.gif[/img]

But i cannot resume all fusion to just that, particularly when it's live rather then CD album, they do give some Real great true feeling sometime !

About saying that there is no new music style it's a question i ask me since several years, since the blues came we had new kind of music almost every decade (Jazz, R&B, Soul, Funk..) but that process seem to be stopped, Rap seem to be the last (and for some Rap is not really a new style but it's another debate) why no more new style anymore since 20 or 30 years ? [img]eek.gif[/img]

I don?t know as the idiom is inherently faulty ? it, like many other idioms, has folks with lots of vocabulary and little message. I think it may be the composing, or lack of it, both in the writing of the tunes, and in how many of us improvise. I saw a phrase on the back of a Weather Report album years ago ? ?Always compose.? If one thinks that way, rather than aimlessly noodling, one is far less likely to ramble; one is more likely to play something ordered, logical, and relevant. And of course, if one has no ideas, silence is always good.

When I was much younger, I concentrated on craft; as I got older I realized that craft without structure is meaningless. As I get older I value great tunes; they tend to sound good with almost anyone playing them, rather than weak tunes which need great players to sound good. It?s true that some tunes are more technically demanding than others, but good compositions can usually stand on their own.

I?ve always felt that it isn?t about craft, it's about music. I think too many of us, particularly those who are relatively new to the instrument, are overly fascinated with technical excellence, and less musically aware than we might be. Technique is fine, but what?s the reason for it? And what?s the reason for the any instrument? To realize an artistic vision ? to make music.

One can be a great player, but a lousy musician. One can also be a great player and a great musician. Mature, well-developed musicians will give the music what it needs ? no more, no less.

There are plenty of idioms in which creative self-expression is going on. Many of us just have to look beyond our noses. Check what?s going on in Cuba, Paris, and West Africa. Keep an eye on Gary Husband, Nguyen Le, Lewis Pragasm, Trilok Gurtu and Sean Rickman.

Great players and great tunes, assuming everyone is playing for the music, can be a good combination.

First of all, Merry Christmas...

On this topic, I think that Dr-Funkenstein does not get it ! And thanks to Riddim who explains it all.

Yes, some "Fusion" music is bad. But Fusion means much more that what Dr-Funkenstein thinks. In the last reply by Riddim, I can add that the word fusion also means amalgamating several styles and cultures (Weather Report, Zawinul, etc.) and to experiment in new ways of playing. Like most jazz, Fusion opens up the best in musicians, and challenges them to excel. If you have not been listening to bands from other parts of the world (Cuba, Brazil, France, Africa, Asia, etc), you are missing out on the cultures that are changing our music in a big way.

So, today, Fusion has become a much wider source of playing music. My advice to those who bang fusion is , open up your ears to world fusion and learn !

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a.) A person who makes posts (on newsgroups or other forums) that are solely intended to provoke responses from others, or to cause annoyance or offense.

b.) A post that is intended to incite controversy or cause offense. (Many posts may inadvertently cause strife as collateral damage, but they are not trolls.)

I can only assume this was the only intent of the original post due to it's overly abusive and bitter tone.

This forum is my only respite from the overwhelming number of drummers that think Lars, Joey Slipknot and Portnoy are the only cats worthwhile to listen to.

I'm on board with the person that stated previously that this guy just doesn't get it.

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