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Sigh.
It must have been meant to be.
How else to explain the car that swooped in just before me to take the spot in front of the Yogurt Ice Cream Place.
So I ended up backing up into another spot a bit further away...
The car next to me had two females in it...
As I started to close my car window, I was put face to face with this woman's lit cigarette.
She was holding the cigarette between two of her fingers, her left elbow was probably propped against the inside door arm rest, which allowed her left hand to comfortably rest on top of the driver's door, her lit cigarette was sticking out from between her two middle fingers like a side view mirror.
Because I had backed into the space, we were literally next to each other as I got out of the car.
As I stood up and started to close my door, I saw that she was pregnant, probably about 4-5 months worth.
I'm surprised I did what I did, but I never actually touched her...I plucked the cigarette from her two fingers with two of my fingers.
I don't remember exactly what I said, I think I said "You shouldn't smoke when you're pregnant".
What made the whole situation even more offensive to me was there was a girl of about 11-14 years of age seated next to her.
A Pregnant women not just smoking, but smoking in front of a minor, who also happened to be a girl.
I think her first words were, GIVE ME BACK MY CIGARETTE!
I said NO!
...I didn't want to stand next to her car and in anyway appear menacing, so after I plucked the cigarette and said she shouldn't be smoking when pregnant, I kept on walking, away from her and toward the ice cream shop to get my yogurt ice cream.
She informed me she was going to call the police if I didn't give her back her cigarette.
I said "Fine, I'm not going anywhere, I'll be right here".
She ended up taking my license number down and then leaving.
So here are my additional two cents worth
...If a woman wants the right to have an abortion...than on the opposite end TAKE CARE OF THE FETUS during a pregnancy that you plan on bringing to birth.
That is the trade-off, I call it Kid-Pro-Quo...
Abortions are legal, however, if you decide to keep the fetus and give birth to it, DON'T SMOKE and rarely if ever, drink nothing stronger than one glass of wine..which I think is considered acceptable by medical institutions, but not on a daily basis either.
Kid Pro Quo...since you are allowed to have an abortion, when the opposite occurs, and you choose to bring a fetus into the world, don't abuse it while it is inside of you and growing...
Fair is Fair.
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*fearful of the post that may have been, shatoushka quickly runs through the thread in an attempt to get more breathing room*
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WHilst I agree that a pregnant woman shouldn't smoke, I don't think there was any obligation Alex on your part to enforce that social 'code'. If it were me, I would have told her, advised her and if she continued to smoke, then I have no obligations to her or her foetus.
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Social "Code" is an interesting choice of words.
Explain the difference to me in the following scenario.
The Doctor holds the newborn baby in his hand that he has just delivered...
He has yet to cut the umbilical cord...
The doctor takes one of those hammer devices they use to check out your reflexes...and breaks one of the newborn's feet.
The babies foot will heal, and the baby may or may not walk with a limp for the rest of their life...
Explain to me how that scenario is different from the mother willingly and knowingly force feeding dozens of carcinogens and asthema inducing chemicals down her own fetuses throat.
What is the difference?
Unless a fetus would be allowed to sue his or her own mother at a later date for any repercussions from her smoking while pregnant, than I reserve the right to take a cigarette away from a pregnant woman if I can do it in a non-violent and non-menacing way.
And if the fetus could later sue, I would want the right to file a report on the woman NOW, so it would be of public record for use in that lawsuit at that later date.
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ok. you wanna know what i think?
well, i'll tell ya.
i am completely astounded in you, alex.
utterly...shocked.
i dunno. can't really get my adjectives right at this hour.
here's the deal:
the first part of me is completely appreciative of the fact that there are people like you, alex, walking around the earth...
compassionate and fed up.
i applaud your strength to uphold your convictions, alex.
(reminds me of myself and the countless times i have done similar things http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/wink.gif)
but on the other hand, i am rather aghast at the fact that you imposed your conviction on someone else.
granted (GRANTED!) this lady obviously was doing the same thing on her unborn child.
UUUUGGGHHH!!!!
i just can't explain it.
(so...i'll go into one of my stories...lol)
a few years ago i was stopped at a stop sign. to my left i saw a lady with about 6 kids of various ages, sitting on the side of the road.
the mother was standing and holding the youngest child (about 2 years old) by the wrist and severely beating the shit out of her with a stick.
the rest of the children sat neatly by the fence...as they were obviously conditioned to do in such circumstances.
astounded, i could do nothing by stare, mouth agape.
i must have been there for some time, for the mother looked up at me and said in a bitchy voice, 'CAN I HEEEEELP YOU?!?!?!?!?'
(doing the neck thingy, you know what i'm talkin' about)
it was like she broke my trance.
the poor child was balling her eyes out.
i was instantly pissed off.
for some strange reason, i was not only pissed off at the bitch, i was pissed off at the world...every single freakin' human being that lived at the moment.
since i lived in the area, i drove around the park and the gas stations intending on finding a cop.
i had every intention of making sure that bitch went to jail.
as fate would have it, after driving around for 15 minutes, i found none.
i drove back to the vicinity where i figured the lady and her kids were headed...
intending on coercing her into a fight.
i wanted to kick her ass.
nothing.
that is the end of the story. no ending. no moral. nothing.
i felt like shit.
the point of my post is to say that i again have no say on the matter here.
i am unsure of how i feel about it.
i am caught in the middle again.
double zero.
the only sure thing is...
i'd give anything to have been a fly. http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/wink.gif
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Kids Shatzy, it's about the kids..
Kids have a right to grow up and become adults.
They just do.
If they then want to mess up THEIR OWN LIVES once they are an adult, they have that right.
They don't have a right to mess up a kids life...whether in the womb or out.
If I had been you, I would have walked up to the kids, and one by one explained that what mommy was doing was wrong, and they needed to tell friends of the family what mommy was doing.
Of course, Mommy would have gone ballistic, but that would be OK..
It flushes the problems into the public eye, where it belongs.
Hitting a kid with a stick...sheesh.
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i would like to apologize to the readers of this particular thread for the blatant use of obscenities via my mouth.
...sure...ok...
its a common thing for me.
i'll admit it.
but i try not to in certain circumstances.
but shit!
when i relived that scene...i was PISSED all over again.
oooops!
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By the way, by watching AND NOT doing anything, you inadvertently helped teach those kids that what mommy was doing was OK.
Not your fault, I'm sure paralysis is the order of the day when one encounters such a scene.
The only reason I acted the way I did was because three years earlier I was driving through a neighborhood on my way to the bank and I saw a pregnant woman holding her two year old child by the hand as she smoked.
I wanted to say something, but I couldn't.
It was her own property she was on...I didn't know how to go about it, so I did nothing...
But not this time.
So goes life.
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Sigh...at some point, perhaps more of a reply will come forth from Shatzy.
By the way, she truly did have a "smug" look on her face the moment before I took the lifted the lit Cigarette from her fingers.
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You have gained much respect from TastinGood.
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