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Viva democracy!
Gae, Trav JDF, Gunslinger and all Bush Supporters personal message me and I'll at least buy the first round.
Jumper, Landroid and yes even Reason you are welcome as well. I pick the place, we all meet and have a few cocktails and celebrate 4 more years!
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Have one for me [img]biggrin.gif[/img]
Although I think this country made a huge mistake, I'll take you up on that drink offer Greg!!
wait a second...
is greg actually proposing a get-together that he not only attends, but buys the first round?
oh my goodness....
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Yep , nothing quite like a divided country, to get the party started. [img]graemlins/beer.gif[/img]
Drinks on Greg works for me. [img]cool.gif[/img]
Oh and Sean, I suggest you look at the numbers, for the first time since 1988 the winner of the election has gotten a majority of the popular vote. How divided is this country if a majority of them can vote to put one man into office.
Fair point
Katherine Harris won re-election too. [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]
I suspect had the democratic party put a worthy candidate on the ballot we'd be talking a different tune today.
It's truly sad that the Dems put Kerry out front as their best. [img]frown.gif[/img]
I agree. Someone closer to the center may have resulted in a Democratic victory.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It would not have mattered WHO they put out there this year, they were a sacrificail lamb at the alter of the Clinton's. Hillary wants to run in '08. How can she run for President if there is a Democrat in office? Look at 1980 when Teddy Kennedy ran against Jimmy Carter in the primaries. A complete disaster. So the Democtrtic party was willing to 'throw' this election so that Hillary has an open road to the Oval Office in '08.Quote:
Originally posted by Jumper69:
I suspect had the democratic party put a worthy candidate on the ballot we'd be talking a different tune today.
It's truly sad that the Dems put Kerry out front as their best. [img]frown.gif[/img]
Wow! Even Daschle is gone. This is even better than I imagined. Let the liberal spin doctors spin away. Jumper has a good start on it in his post. [img]graemlins/cry.gif[/img]
Greg, tell me when you're having the party and I'll have my own at the same time.
Cheers! [img]graemlins/martini.gif[/img]
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not a chance. IMHO Hillary has as much chance at the WH as...say...Al Sharpton. You are correct in one regard. Hillary is connected to Bill.Quote:
So the Democtrtic party was willing to 'throw' this election so that Hillary has an open road to the Oval Office in '08.
No...the Dems and about half the country wanted Bush gone. They weren't willing to "throw" anything.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It would not have mattered WHO they put out there this year, they were a sacrificail lamb at the alter of the Clinton's. Hillary wants to run in '08. How can she run for President if there is a Democrat in office? Look at 1980 when Teddy Kennedy ran against Jimmy Carter in the primaries. A complete disaster. So the Democtrtic party was willing to 'throw' this election so that Hillary has an open road to the Oval Office in '08.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I concur 100%. A Kerry victory is the last thing Hillary wanted.Quote:
Originally posted by Gunslinger:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jumper69:
I suspect had the democratic party put a worthy candidate on the ballot we'd be talking a different tune today.
It's truly sad that the Dems put Kerry out front as their best. [img]frown.gif[/img]
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Daschle suprised me but no biggie. Daschle who??Quote:
Wow! Even Daschle is gone. This is even better than I imagined. Let the liberal spin doctors spin away. Jumper has a good start on it in his post.
I'm not spinning anything Lake. It was just an observation. Bush won.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not a chance. IMHO Hillary has as much chance at the WH as...say...Al Sharpton. You are correct in one regard. Hillary is connected to Bill.Quote:
Originally posted by Jumper69:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> So the Democtrtic party was willing to 'throw' this election so that Hillary has an open road to the Oval Office in '08.
No...the Dems and about half the country wanted Bush gone. They weren't willing to "throw" anything.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Then where was Hillary? Bill had heart surgery, he can be excused from the campaign trail. But where was his wife? Nowhere. That's where.
Also, chew on this. Kerry's downslide did not begin until he his advisors with former Clinton advisors. Coincidence? I think not.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Kerry's slide began when his idiot wife said Laura Bush never had a real job....Quote:
Also, chew on this. Kerry's downslide did not begin until he his advisors with former Clinton advisors. Coincidence? I think not.
That was class 1 stupid.
I also disagreed with using Clinton as "Help"
But they didn't ask me. Of course I would have told them to find another candidate besides Kerry. [img]smile.gif[/img]
Kerry came off as an elitist snob, and his wife is even worse. It was apparent throughout the campaign.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Kerry's slide began when his idiot wife said Laura Bush never had a real job....Quote:
Originally posted by Jumper69:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Also, chew on this. Kerry's downslide did not begin until he his advisors with former Clinton advisors. Coincidence? I think not.
That was class 1 stupid.
I also disagreed with using Clinton as "Help"
But they didn't ask me. Of course I would have told them to find another candidate besides Kerry. [img]smile.gif[/img] </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">His slide bagan right after the Democratic convention. His 'bounce' in the polls wasn't nearly as high as it should have been.
You are right about the wife though. She did nothing to help him whatsoever.
We'll meet up during the holidays sometime, and the first round is on me.
No need to do it right away.
Is that [img]cool.gif[/img] with everyone?
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No! The sooner the better, like TONIGHT!
The rats have lost touch with America. The likes of Michael Moore, Eminen, and Susan Sarandon have nothing in common with the working man in the midwest or the what use to be the southern democrat.
If they don't change, it will only be a bigger victory for the GOP in 2008.
59,117,523 (51% total) Bush's figures
55,557,584 (48% total) Kerry's figures
Once again, Sean the outside viewer has it right. If that is not a division among the people then someone explained it wrong to you. What's the difference here, 3.6 mil?
Just because your guy won doesn't mean this country is unified. It's pretty clear that nearly half of the country disagrees.
And then of course, there's the extra 1% that nobody is naming.
A good point was made in the book I read recently "How They Became President". The author pointed out the fact that in almost every presidential election almost 1/2 of the electorate did not vote for the winner. Very few landslides have given presidents a "mandate". Reagan's in 1984 was the most recent. Even FDR who was elected 4x never had the kind of majority he enjoyed in his first victory in 1932. The country may well be "divided" but not enough to change horses midstream...not enough to drastically alter course like the VietNam protests caused Nixon to win in 1968, nor like the "punishment" the voters sent to the Republicans for Ford pardoning Nixon and losing to Carter in 1976.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yep. The map says it all:Quote:
Originally posted by travelinman:
The rats have lost touch with America. The likes of Michael Moore, Eminen, and Susan Sarandon have nothing in common with the working man in the midwest or the what use to be the southern democrat.
If they don't change, it will only be a bigger victory for the GOP in 2008.
East coast: blue
West Coast: Blue
Everything else: REpublican Red!