I seen several posts about a weckl lick that goes like RLLFFRLFF or something like that. I was wondering is this played as 32nd notes or triplets. I've heard alot of katz play it but I can't seem to figure it out. I was just curious. Thanks
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I seen several posts about a weckl lick that goes like RLLFFRLFF or something like that. I was wondering is this played as 32nd notes or triplets. I've heard alot of katz play it but I can't seem to figure it out. I was just curious. Thanks
I'm guessing fast 16th, or 32nd most likely.
I can't think of this being in triplet feel... though dave does a ton of playing in that zone.
What are some songs where he pulls this out in particular?
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<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ November 30, 2004 02:06 AM: Message edited by: FlamTriplet ]</font>
16th note triplets work well, as it takes up three 1/8 notes in time. It could be phrased(over the bar) like a dotted quarter note in 4/4 time. It also works well in "3" jazz waltz time as 1/8 triplets. You can accent the singles(and orchestrate them around the toms) and play the double left hand ghosted on the snare. [img]graemlins/music.gif[/img]
It is a lick that a lot of people use because it sounds cool and it is easy. You can also use a double pedal if you need to play it really fast.
But I would recommend playing the Hihat on quarters with the left foot, and playing the pattern in 16trips so you can feel it a bit better, and you have a 2:3 pattern in 3/4.
Better yet, play quarters on the LF hat, and count in 4/4. That way you can really feel the cross rhythm, and be able to jump the riff in anywhere in 4/4.
Then, if you like it, never play it on more than one fill per gig. Two if it's a fusion gig.
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<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ November 30, 2004 02:08 AM: Message edited by: FlamTriplet ]</font>
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LOLQuote:
Originally posted by FlamTriplet:
one fill per gig. Two if it's a fusion gig.
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<font color="#a62a2a"><font size="1">[ November 30, 2004 02:08 AM: Message edited by: FlamTriplet ]</font></font>
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LOL</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">and three if it's a drum solo!Quote:
Originally posted by Klemme:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by FlamTriplet:
one fill per gig. Two if it's a fusion gig.
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<font color="#a62a2a"><font size="1">[ November 30, 2004 02:08 AM: Message edited by: FlamTriplet ]</font></font>
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And 20! If it's your crowdpleasing phrase durring your solo [img]smile.gif[/img]
Can one of you guys record the lick and post it for us??
As Kim Plainfield once said when we were studying Dave's style: "Weckl uses nines to DEATH!".
Yes it's phrased as 16th notes triplets and it's found all over the place in Dave's soloing (mid 80s early 90s).
Great explan, FT [& Tombo].
Yep. Absolutely 16th triplets [9 strokes - no jokes]. Weckl did it quite well, of course. ;c)<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LOLQuote:
never play it on more than one fill per gig. Two if it's a fusion gig
...30 times or more if you're getting women's apparel thrown over your neck or onto parts of your kit... ;c) [img]graemlins/sure.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/whatever.gif[/img] :cp [img]graemlins/cry.gif[/img] [img]redface.gif[/img]
...STOP playing it if the frontman or gtrst is on the receiving end of the apparel... [img]graemlins/hmmm.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/grrr.gif[/img]
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ December 06, 2004 12:57 AM: Message edited by: fuseU1 ]</font>
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/GoNchl/rllffrlff+v2.mp3
sjj123
Here's my version of the pattern ( excuse the v drums)
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ November 30, 2004 12:36 PM: Message edited by: drumkid ]</font>
I'm surprised Steve hasn't jumped on this! Steve is a registered owner of this lick. It's called "the nine" and it's usually phrased, as the guys said, in 16th note triplets:
RllFFRLFF RllFFRLFF RLLRRL R (the last part is a six stroke roll on the snare, which is a nice way to come out of it). Keep the right hand on the floor tom until the six stroke roll.
If you play it very evenly, phrased in triplets, you should start to hear the phrase. It's kind of weird at first.
http://www.houseofdrumming.com/scatter.wmv 4:21 into this clip during the first trade. I am guilty of abusing this lick a bit but it's cool sounding and effective. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I admit, I'm guilty too!Quote:
Originally posted by Steve Holmes:
http://www.houseofdrumming.com/scatter.wmv 4:21 into this clip during the first trade. I am guilty of abusing this lick a bit but it's cool sounding and effective. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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Scroll down this topic for variations on this theme:
http://www.hostboard.com/cgi-bin/ult...c&f=609&t=1859
thanks Drumkid.....anybody else. I'm having a little trouble deciphering exactly what steve's doing
Here is a variation I stumbled on to:
R L L . F F F . R F F . R
1st triplet: Play all three notes on the snare.
2nd triplet: Play RRL on the double pedal (a la Gregg B.)
3rd triplet: Play the R on the floor tom, and play the FF as either RR or RL on the double pedal.
last note: Hit the floor tom (almost) as hard as you can.
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ December 01, 2004 02:49 PM: Message edited by: mja61 ]</font>
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Been asked to repost the clip containing the fill I transcribed (old links are dead). Here it is:Quote:
Originally posted by Tombo 7/4:
Scroll down this topic for variations on this theme:
http://www.hostboard.com/cgi-bin/ult...c&f=609&t=1859
Voyage.mp3
It's at ~01:17.
And the transcription again:
The subdivisons are 16th note triplets.
If you look at the sticking you'll notice 2 groups of 9 and 1 group of 6: 9+9+6=24 notes in the bar.
So here it is...hoping it makes sense!
1 2 3 4 1 (Beats)
RLLRLR LFFRLL RLRLFF RLRLRL F/R (Sticking)
SssS13 2BB4ss S132BB SS3344 B/C (Fill)
Key:
R: right hand
L: left hand
F: right foot
S: accented snare
s: ghosted snare
1: 1st tom
2: 2nd tom
3: 3rd tom
4: 4th tom
B: bass drum
C: crash
I used to have these transferred to disc [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]wink.gif[/img] somewhere, but [img]confused.gif[/img] ...that Voyage.mp3: "Unfortunately, the link you have clicked is not available"... [img]frown.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/cry.gif[/img] [img]wink.gif[/img]
I do rem that killer lick tho, & incorporate variations of it myself on occasion [careful not to let it become abused in here like the blushda] ;cP Whoot.
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ December 02, 2004 03:09 PM: Message edited by: fuseU1 ]</font>
hi all.
mind to elaborate more about the lick? i don't seem to get the triplet feel when i play it. shutter shows 2 phrases of that?
It's not a "triplet feel," they ARE triplets. Just set a click and play the phrase in eighth note triplets. Pretty soon you'll here the phrase, then slow down the click and try them in sixteenth note triplets.
Damn...wish another of you cats could post a recording of this
so i tried this lick while practicing and it sounds pretty cool but it doesn't seem like a common weckl lick to me. maybe i'm hearing it wrong. are there any examples on recordings where weckl plays this lick?
What records doesn't he use this lick on??? [img]wink.gif[/img]
It's all over his first three solo albums ("Masterplan," "Heads Up," and "Hard Wired")....sorry, I don't have any specific tracks or timestamps off the top of my head.
That's a great lick....especially the way he plays it. It's his own personal blushda.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Been asked to repost the clip containing the fill I transcribed (old links are dead). Here it is:Quote:
Originally posted by Tombo 7/4:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Tombo 7/4:
Scroll down this topic for variations on this theme:
http://www.hostboard.com/cgi-bin/ult...c&f=609&t=1859
Voyage.mp3
It's at ~01:17.
And the transcription again:
[/i]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">dead link already [img]redface.gif[/img]
Revived for a short while:
http://s15.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=8...A9EFA3153D47C7
Man, Tombo,
That's a cool track. Almost as if Porcaro and Weckl had a kid, with that lick. [img]wink.gif[/img] [img]biggrin.gif[/img]
Great job! [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]
hey steve.... dude...i dont know you but it sounds great! you got that weckle stuff down !!!
Excellent!
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thanks alot! how do u actually go about using that? i can use that in solo.. but i don't really know how to implement the 9 into my normal playing. do u just add it in like normal double stroke rolls? as in like 5,7 9?
If you play the phrase as written, it takes one measure in 4/4. So theoretically you could use it anytime you needed a one-measure fill (tempo permitting). I guess it's up to you to decide when and how to use it, but it is a bitchin' lick.
I remember when I took my first or second lesson with Steve, he busted out the nine and I flipped out. "That's the Weckl lick!" It's one of the coolest ever.
If you play the phrase as written, it takes one measure in 4/4. So theoretically you could use it anytime you needed a one-measure fill (tempo permitting). I guess it's up to you to decide when and how to use it, but it is a bitchin' lick.
I remember when I took my first or second lesson with Steve, he busted out the nine and I flipped out. "That's the Weckl lick!" It's one of the coolest ever.
be glad if there is some groove before the lick!! will have a better understanding of it!
hmm...maybe I'll throw together an HOD lesson with this lick over the weekend. Seems like a lot of folks might benefit from it.
Hey Steve... Thats a GREAT GREAT idea! Can?t wait to see it! [img]wink.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Steve Holmes:
hmm...maybe I'll throw together an HOD lesson with this lick over the weekend. Seems like a lot of folks might benefit from it.
Hope you Video gonna be available again , may we can hope that before Christmas ? [img]wink.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img]
Oh, yeah, Steve. I'm all for your online lessons. I've missed them.
I haven't mentioned this yet because <strike> I don't want to jinx it</strike> something may go wrong between now and then, but the bad news is SSL won't available again until next year, Aprilish. The good news is you will probably be able to get it at your local music store on DVD when that happens.
Wheels are in motion and I will make an official announcement on the news site at some point.
Nice demo drumkid, am I right in thinking that it's lick that Vinnie plays at the start of Secrets?
Just listened to again and I think I'm wrong Drumkid - but definitely heard that before. Any one else got any examples of that lick to post?
Cheers Dazzler, i dont know if it is , i just played the pattern and put it into a groove. i've been going through all that chaffee and gratton stuff lately. great fun. if you have time ,could you do a clip from secrets so we can hear it?
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ December 05, 2004 12:33 AM: Message edited by: drumkid ]</font>