Daniel Luttick...biggest Virgil copy cat ever?

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January 10th, 2005, 09:44 PM
nevesis

Hello fellow HODers.

I have come to know this forum as the most critical when it comes to drummers and drumming in general. Which is a good thing!

I am not sure if many here have seen this video, but recently it has been under some critical argument over on the Virgil forums.

The man is Daniel Luttick.

Now, I have seen some copycats before, and there is nothing wrong with being inspired by your favorite drummer, hell Steve Holmes is OBVIOUSLY inspired heavily by Vinnie, but he has his own voice. This guy Daniel, not only looks like Virgil, but is an EXACT clone of him in his playing, the way he looks, the way he looks WHILE he is playing.

In my opinion it is pretty sad when you have to resort to being an EXACT copy cat of someone without having anything to make yourself seem like an individiual.

Check the video for yourselves and post feedback.

http://www.danielluttick.com/Images/...%20Luttick.WMV
January 10th, 2005, 10:18 PM
Cameron_Mahoney

Yep, that was pretty uninspired. I lost interest and found I went from active listening to quite passive within a quarter way through. I dunno... that kind of blistering fast all out playing doesn't say anything to me.
January 10th, 2005, 11:10 PM
PocketPlayer

The guy definitely has absorbed his drum hero. Still, it takes a lot to pull that stuff off.
January 10th, 2005, 11:55 PM
McKenzie

It is a waste of time to copy someone to that degree and not do it nearly as well, he falls pretty short at times and does certain thing's fairly well even though the performance is VERY repetitive(and I do not fault him for that he is still young and he is trying to cop some VERY difficult stuff) IMO. He is physically very talented. Being heavily influenced by someone is normal of course and a person cannot be faulted for that. But It does not matter whether it is Virg or Porcaro or Vinnie, you got to try and mold your influences into your identity and obviously that takes time. I have seen other's try and cop Vinnie, Dave, Dennis etc. to the point that it is embarrassing because they are TRYING to play JUST like their inspiration and do not do it nearly as well, why would someone want to watch 2nd or 3rd rate when the original is still going strong. I do not want to watch or hear someone try and play JUST like another whether they are going for Bernard Purdie or Buddy Rich. But even some of the Great player's today sounded to much like their Major influnces awhile back. First time I heard Jo-Jo I thought wow it sound's alot like Dave W. and even though impressed he could play nearly as well I was turned off abit.

[ January 10, 2005 07:56 PM: Message edited by: Digital Man ]
January 11th, 2005, 12:38 AM
matricks

I actually could only watch it today while i am at work, no sound... but ho-lee crap... that dude look JUST LIKE Virgil!!! He even has the old Premier set with with BD head crooked, like how Virg did when was with them. The facial expressions too... haha!

I guess i need to listen from a computer where we have sound so i can see what this cat is pulling off... he LOOKS fast...
January 11th, 2005, 12:47 AM
benrand

Well, his solo goes nowhere just like some of Virg's solos I've seen.

That is creepy. Maybe Neil is right to want to stay away from his fans. This guy is bizarre.

Neil did sell a lot of vibrafibing. Virg needs to find something to sell to guy like this...maybe coat his shells with carbon fiber or something really expensive...
January 11th, 2005, 01:06 AM
harmonized

wow, I laughed out loud when I saw this.

Well, when we started to learn how to play, we all did this to some degree, maybe not this far...(he even had the goatee thing! lol )

If he wants to be an amateur, he can get away with this for a while, if he wants to be a pro, he'll grow out of this and want to find his own voice.

[ January 11, 2005 12:02 AM: Message edited by: harmonized ]
January 11th, 2005, 01:17 AM
cjbdrm

How cute...
January 11th, 2005, 01:17 AM
Derek DeFields

He'll probably grow out of it. Besides, ain't easy to cop the stuff he's doing.
January 11th, 2005, 02:46 AM
drumaddict

This guy may make a major impact someday once he gets through his impersonation phase. Seeing this reminds me of a few drummers from the past that went through a similar style absorption. People like - Simon Phillips to Billy Cobham, Cindy Blackman to Tony Williams, Weckl to Gadd, Larry Bright to Chambers, Portnoy to Peart, not to mention all the drummers that wanted to be Buddy Rich and Ringo Starr...
January 11th, 2005, 02:59 AM
maxweinberg

Who knows, maybe this is a Virgil Donati tribute band....lol

[ January 10, 2005 11:47 PM: Message edited by: maxweinberg ]
January 11th, 2005, 03:21 AM
peter c

I am with Derek. Likely a phase.

He's doing some things that are
more difficult and show a facility.
That's always good, whether you
are 'copying' a drummer or not.

G-R-O-O-V-E is in need but it may
have just been this video. Let's
all hope so.

He has a skill that he's developing
and that I hope he can grow on it.
It is not easy to find 'one's voice'.

Sometimes it takes years and years
and sometimes it never comes. Only
time will tell.

[img]cool.gif[/img]
January 11th, 2005, 03:44 AM
matricks

Hey, if he is coppin' Virgil licks then the guy has one-up on me...
January 11th, 2005, 03:56 AM
McKenzie

He is most definitely copping only SOME of Virgl's more BASIC licks if you can call them basic(for Virg anyway's) Nothing is played with the same level of complexity, speed and power or feel. But the fact that he is able to do it even at this level is impressive.

Dig
January 11th, 2005, 03:58 AM
Suspiria

Just downloaded the clip. I must agree that he is a lot like Virgil, but Peter's comment is important to consider too. On one side he is surely still searching for his own voice or identity on the drum set. On the other, he seems very emotionless to me. By that I mean his facial expression when playing, but also his selection of chops to include in the solo. Very little personality came through to me on that one. Lets not over-judge him on one clip though.

[ January 11, 2005 12:00 AM: Message edited by: Suspiria ]
January 11th, 2005, 06:36 AM
matricks

Yep, haha!
January 11th, 2005, 04:31 PM
funkycarnivore

It IS kinda eerie.

There's a similar thing in bass players. Here's Victor Wooten:
http://www.victorwooten.com/pics/1.jpg

And Jon Reshard:
http://www.digitech.com/images/artists/jonreshard.jpg

[ January 11, 2005 12:36 AM: Message edited by: the grove ]
January 11th, 2005, 05:44 PM
LDGuy

But, of course, this guy doesn't use trad grip! I thought one of the most unique features about Virg was that he could do all the amazing things he could do - amazing single stroke rolls - with trad grip.
January 11th, 2005, 05:52 PM
benrand

I admit that I grabbed my friend's kit whenever I could to give me some extra racks and floors so that my setup would look like Neil's.

He had the CB700 8-10 concert toms...
January 11th, 2005, 05:55 PM
drumgod1

Quote:

Originally posted by LDGuy:
But, of course, this guy doesn't use trad grip! I thought one of the most unique features about Virg was that he could do all the amazing things he could do - amazing single stroke rolls - with trad grip.

He's using trad. He's just playing a left handed setup, so his right is trad.

[ January 11, 2005 01:55 PM: Message edited by: drumgod1 ]
January 12th, 2005, 04:18 AM
FuseU1

What was his name? Daniel Levirglick? [img]wink.gif[/img]

Seriously, tho; good points by all, but esp harmonized, drumaddict, & peter C...

Many if not most of the more widely known greats have gone through phases such as what is spoken of. AWA many of us...it's a pretty commomnplace, natural, & ordinary occurence, actually. Me, too - the Neil phase [join the million-man-march, there!], then other points in between [Simon, for one] to the Vinnie/Weckl/Chambers phase. [Well; I try!!]

One of my friends was the Jeff clone [not a bad thing, nec [img]wink.gif[/img] ]; another, the more Vinnie inspired; still another, heavily Rod influenced. MANY others, the Bonzo or Aldridge clone. Can anyone say, Vinne to Tony? Or Tom Knight to Weckl? [img]wink.gif[/img] [I jest here; maybe it's not nec fair to TK to brand him this way, as he is a fine player, even if some of his approach happens to be reminiscent of DW]...not nec a bad thing either; but DW has such a highly identifiable & uniquely individual style [even tho some Gadd may be evident in there?! [img]wink.gif[/img] ] that it's hard not to notice...

In this day & age it's hard NOT to sound like some of our more illustrious heroes...but that is the goal, eventually. To me, Ersk sounds like himself & no other. On many sessions, naturally, he's one of those guys who often you CAN'T tell it's him [unless perhaps he is allowed to start "letting loose"] - & that's prob the ultimate compliment, even if in what seems to be a "convoluted" sort of way...;cP

It's not that he sounds like everyone else; more like, there are no "registered trademark PE licks" that he falls back on. Which with some in here, can poss be a big thing. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[ January 11, 2005 12:33 PM: Message edited by: fuseU1 ]
January 12th, 2005, 10:35 PM
FuseU1

Quote:

He's using trad. He's just playing a left handed setup, so his right is trad.

Correct.

Great display of chops. He is clearly letting us know that his main idol is Virg.

It would ne nice to see him comp over a vamp or groove or play a tune in a group setting, though. Like that other young cat, Jonathan Lundberg.

[ January 12, 2005 06:36 PM: Message edited by: fuseU1 ]
January 13th, 2005, 05:03 PM
LDGuy

Oh, yeah. Watched the vid again and saw. D'oh!