New Respect for Bozzio

Groove!!!

Bozzio is amazing. Frank only hired the "amazing" ones. Have you heard any early U.K.?? I'm sure you've heard both versions of the "Black Page"?? If not.... that is manditory Bozzio listening. Terry is an amazing player. Since childhood, I thought he was superhuman..... the way he was able to combine so many different sounds/chops/time signatures in such a small timeframe. Even the Missing Person's "Spings Session M" is burning. Great writing, great playing. An example of what happens when you get a great fusion guy playing/creating pop music.

As a kid, I always used to imagine some killer virtuoso drummers playing in different bands. I always wanted to know what Vinnie would have done with some of the Rush tunes. At least now we'll get to hear Vince with Jeff Berlin. I can't wait for that!!

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As a kid, I always used to imagine some killer virtuoso drummers playing in different bands. I always wanted to know what Vinnie would have done with some of the Rush tunes. At least now we'll get to hear Vince with Jeff Berlin

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You know, WM, I use to do the same.

But [& BION], I can't hear VC in a Rush tune now.

Well, OK, anything's indeed possible of course, but I think, & as a positive argument for NP, anyone else in Rush's chair just wouldn't be, well, "Rush," if you get my meaning.

VC would prob kill on it, of course, but that's just it...NP's playg gives it a certain rock-ish vibe that only he could bring to the table.

One of the very few drummers I could hear in Rush's chair would be Danny Carey; MAYBE Scott Rockenfield, even tho he feels the groove differently than NP [a TAD more "pulled back", perhaps. JMO].

Now don't any of you guys go & say, "Portnoy"... [img]wink.gif[/img] even tho I could possibly hear that AW [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Could you imagine TBoz in the chair?! Talk about 1-upping on those toms rolls, down-&-up them, & whatnot...lookout! /;cp

Ever hear Boz on the UK tune Only Thing She Needs [Danger Money]? Blistering rock-fusion coolness, & 1 of my faves.

Jeff Berlin's old instructional VHS had a burning but much too brief intro rock-fusion-jam-tune [after the initial introductory speak by actor Ronny Cox] w he, VC, Gambale, & keybdst Ron Reinhart, but it fades out after almost a minute only...[VC was grillin' some mean pork-chops / playg some way-cool sheist in there too] now that's some real sacrilege there, Jeffmeister!...DOH
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<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ March 13, 2005 04:12 PM: Message edited by: fuseU1 ]</font>

WecklsMechanic,
I'm embarrassed to say that I've heard no "UK" whatsoever... [img]redface.gif[/img] I appreciate it's a must-have though, thanks for the heads-up. Any particular CD's that best represent his time with them?

Of course, the Black Page varients are great, even heard Wackerman on them, (what a great player that dude is too..) but I always had Terry down as some sort of 'different drummer'.

I had only really been familiar with Bozzio's solo drumming. I've seen him in clinic/performance a few times and always thought he was on the cutting edge of "solo drumming-music", but have new found respect after seeing him play like this with a band...

As far as Rush are concerned, they've never really had a following i the UK, (other than with some drummers), so I know none of their work. I've seen (what I could take of) Neil Peart's solo DVD though, but that's about as familiar with their work as I am...

MP

You'll soon get to hear VC interpret Mahavishnu Orch, which oughta be cool considering Vinnie has said he would try to sound just like BC when he was learning his axe.

Not that I had no respect for him before, but I've just seen a video of Bozzio with Zappa in a live concert...

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Wow, he just smoked, musical and really focused tight playing. Got a tonne of new props for this guy...

MP

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Originally posted by Groovemeister:
WecklsMechanic,
I'm embarrassed to say that I've heard no "UK" whatsoever... [img]redface.gif[/img] I appreciate it's a must-have though, thanks for the heads-up. Any particular CD's that best represent his time with them?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">UK only put out 3 CDs. Bruford was on the first, and Terry played on Danger Money (studio record) and Night After Night (live, with lots of overdubs). In my opinion, every drummer should own ALL THREE.

Fuse..... I with ya on that. Nowadays I don't think I would ever want to replace Neil with anyone else. But it would be cool for just an experiment to see what would happen. Maybe throw Aldridge into the mix??

Man!!! I have to ask Jeff about that "tune" you're talking about on his old instructional video. I'll see Jeff in April when he's recording his new CD.

Groove & Fuse.....

Here's some classic UK that I got off easytree. Back in the 80's in Paris, France. Rather than post DangerMoney (which I also have live), I uploaded "Presto Vivace" which is the little diddy that was in between "By the light of day" and "In the dead of night".

http://s26.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0...83K52ZMAJKS2A7

I'll upload more later. I liked Carrying no cross too.

I wished that John Wettons bass didn't sound so distorted.... but what do you want?? It's the eighties.

ps... to this day, Eddie Jobson is the guy that made me a drummer in keyboardists skin. Keyboards are the ultimate percussion instument. Comping to his stuff is like a small slice of heaven. Not to mention his bad-assed electric violin playing. [img]wink.gif[/img]

pss.... groove.... you gotta see the Wackerman footage of him playing with Robin Ford at Yoshi's. Some very crankin Chad indeed!!!

...and what about TB on the Brecker Bros 'Heavy Metal Bebop'

This is one of my favorite drum albums.

Other less talked about TB performances (before he went into his solo drum thing) for me would be Castalia-Mark Isham and
My Guitar wants to kill your Mama-Dweezil Zappa

I also really like all three Lonely Bears albums.

Terry used to have a killer groove (and I'm sure he still does) and as much as I can see what he has done for drumming with his solo drum thing I still rate him most highly for the artistry, aggression and individuality he brought to his early recordings.

Terry's playing on Live in New York is awesome. Also, if you can get your hands on it, Frank's movie Baby Snakes is a fantastic example of Terry cranking away. But one ablum that no one has mentioned, and while it is Frank's most commercial of albums, it has some great playing on it, is Sheik Yerbouti. The 3 most enjoyable tunes on that album as far as Terry's playing goes is City of Tiny Lights, Wild Love and Yo Mama. Check that stuff out.

While Terry may have gone off into that "solo drumming" avenue years ago, I grew up on this stuff and always thought of Terry as an amazing and very musical drummer.

And I also agree that the Brecker Brother's Heavy Metal Bebop is one my favorite albums and a drummer's must have.

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ March 14, 2005 09:04 AM: Message edited by: MntnMan62 ]</font>

Speaking of someone else in the Rush chair...have any of you ever heard that Rush tribute CD? There's a variety of hard rock musicians on it, but Portnoy does all the drumming. (I believe it was his conception, but not 100% sure) The best tune, if that's what it's to be called, is probably La Villa Strangiato with Portnoy, Billy Sheehan, and Steve Morse. Portnoy, who I've never been a huge fan of, is stiff as a board, though he's playing Neil's grooves and fills on the 'Ghost of the Aragon'/'Danforth and Pape' sections stroke-for-stroke. But Sheehan and Morse sound awesome on 'La Villa...'. Portnoy also takes a solo on the beginning vamp of 'Jacob's Ladder'. Interesting ideas, but as usual, totally unoriginal.

Any of those who have heard this must have gotten a laugh out of Sebastian Bach singing Red Barcetta and Natural Science. Good Lord...

If nobody has these, I can post some of the tunes, though I'd need a hand because I'm a computer illiterate.

I was listening to Bongo Fury the other day and the stuff Terry plays on Debra Cadabra is just sick...you have to get by the craziness of Captain Beefheart to hear it, but it's there...I liked his drum sound here too.

On the rush tribute record, I think Deen Castronovo kills the tunes he plays on. He brings more of a Neil intensity to it than Portnoy. I hanve't listened to that disc in years.

ZAPPA IN NEW YORK and SHEIK YERBOUTI are to Terry what all three acts of JOE's GARAGE are to Vinnie. (Can I get an 'amen' OR a 'he-hah, Sergeant?') Bozzio has always been great; he can even play comedy drums. On ZAPPA IN NEW YORK check out how he interprets the chart in the middle of the vocal line "They heard those titties plop-plopping (fill) all around the world," during Titties & Beer. It takes a genius like Zappa to write something like that and a genius like Bozzio to realize it. Those floor toms sound remarkably like burlesque boobs knocking together.

Bozzio (or Simon Phillips) would make the Rush drum chair so hot to sit in Neil would have to do a decade of Gruber before he'd dare sit back down.

O Baterista I don't want to sound harsh but do you know that there are places called cd stores where you can actually buy a piece of plastic called a cd which is sold with its booklet !!!! Incredible news I know !
Well if you had the booklet of this Rush tribute cd you could have learned that :
1. There are 4 different drummers on this CD : Mike Portnoy; Deen Castronovo, Mark Zonder (Fates Warning) and Jeff Brockman.
2. Sebastian Bach is not singing on all the tunes. There are a lot of different singers in fact !
On Natural Science it is Devin Townsend ( Strapping Young Lad) and on Red Barchetta it is James Labrie (Dream Theater singer)

Of course if you in deed bought the album : ignore my post !
If you don't have : report to Mr Lars Ulrich, he will explain to you a lot of things !!!!

JM - Man, thx for that UK live boot, broeski. Yeah, if ya can, keep 'em comin'... [img]redface.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]

"...Wackerman footage with Robben Ford at Yoshi's/...?!" Wow, didn't know that! Is this a vid? Sounds killer! [I really dig Chad's fusion playing, esp on the Holdsworth material & FZ live] [img]cool.gif[/img] Robben [AWA Allan, FZ] only plays w the best: VC, Gary N, Tom B, Chad, etc. I'm sure there's more.

I agree, Andy E [& MntnMan62]...I have "The Brecker Bros Collection Vol 2 [Novus Series '70]," which has quite a few tunes off HMBB [I never could find the actual disc]...good stuff. I also have Dweezil Zappa's My Guitar wants to kill your Mama...it also has Brooks Wackerman.

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Terry used to have a killer groove (and I'm sure he still does) and as much as I can see what he has done for drumming with his solo drum thing I still rate him most highly for the artistry, aggression and individuality he brought to his early recordings

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I feel this way about a lot of players. I mean, VC, DW, TBoz...all have gone on to new heights, but they were still just as valid & burnin' in the "beginning," to me. Something to do w youthful desire, aggression, testosterone, & "something to prove," I believe[?]... [img]wink.gif[/img]

Baterista - I can't believe that i haven't heard that Rush trib. That version of Villa sounds like a must hear [w Morse & Sheehan] - awesome. & Deen, Zonder, too...I need to look for that. I've heard a version of Villa that had Greg Howe on gtr [don't know the other players]...

Carter - Baterista didn't say that Bach sang on all tunes, but he did seem to say that about Portnoy...? Zonder was another guy whom I feel could fill the Rush chair well...of course, this is all silly conjecture. NP's there; & it's right where he's supposed to be, & that's why all those other cats have their own bands & bags. ;c)

5/8 - 'amen' AND a 'he-hah, soldier!'

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Those floor toms sound remarkably like burlesque boobs knocking together.
Bozzio (or Simon Phillips) would make the Rush drum chair so hot to sit in Neil would have to do a decade of Gruber before he'd dare sit back down.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's pure comedy heaven. Oh, & a big bag of ice, too.

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If you don't have: report to Lars Ulrich, he will explain to you a lot of things

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LOL [img]wink.gif[/img]

My addition:
Such as, why he ain't on the R-Trib disc?! [img]tongue.gif[/img] J/K

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ March 14, 2005 09:10 PM: Message edited by: fuseU1 ]</font>

I have to say, growing up in the 70's, lots of my friends were listening to Rush and spouting about how amazing and technical Neil Peart was. Maybe I'm missing something but while he did have some great chops, I thought his playing was stiff and, well, predictable. I had trouble sitting down and listening to Peart when Bozzio was kicking it like a wild man. Also, Vinnie was just behind Terry in FZ's chair. Not to mention Gadd, Lenny White, Gerry Brown, Ndugu, Cobham, Narada (especially with Mahavishnu), Kenwood, all the dudes who played with Weather Report, man, there are so many amazing drummers. I just never got Peart. Bozzio on the other hand, sick. I agree, Debra Kadabra is awesome. Same for Carolina Hardcore Ecstasy. And for some more recent Bozzio playing with a band instead of himself, check out Bozzio, Levin Stevens. Situation Dangerous has some great groove drumming on it.

Carter B- My mistake fully. I don't have the booklet. And no, I didn't download it. A few songs were burned for me a long time ago my a usually knowleadgable buddy. Can't tell if your sarcasm is being said with a smile or a sneer, but if it is the latter then just chill out. There are things in life called mistakes and people like myself can make them.

So I stand corrected. And rightly so.

Fuse- Yeah, 'La Villa..' burns. I haven't heard the whole CD, but the other tunes I heard were ok at best.

MntnMan62, I hear you completely.

I was weened on pop radio, classical & symphony orchestra, AWA a little big-band [Buddy Rich, Tonight Show, Dorseys, Glenn Miller, Goodman, Duke, Dizzy, also Alpert, Mancini, Harry James, Oscar & Hammerstein, etc] when I was younger.

My first picking up of the sticks was thanks to the impact of hearing Rush for the forst time on comm/AOR radio back in 1980; "Spirit of Radio" / Permanent Waves, to be exact.

Along with the other "prog"-rock bands like Genesis, Yes, Kansas, ELP, Crimson, Tull, AWA Zep, Journey [yes, Journey], Halen, Police; this in turn led me to start listening to the great jazz-rock-fusion bands that permeated the late 70s & 80s like Mahavishnu, McLaughlin, Spectrum & Glass Menagerie, RTF, DiMeola, Stanley Clarke, Dregs, JLPonty, UK, Zappa, Holdsworth, Chick, Metheny, Herbie, Brand X, Weather Report, Coryell/11th House, Miles, Tony's Lifetine, TOP, etc etc.

Which in turen led me straight into SA jazz, be-bop, swing ['Trane, Bird, Thelonius, Tyner, Herbie, Jarrett, Garner, etc], & then latin, etc.

So, I began to realize that there were far more serious players out there [much to my chagrin [img]wink.gif[/img] ] after I'd learned all those old Rush tunes note for rhythmic note & thought I was getting somewhere. [Thanks, Rod, Lenny, & Cobham & then esp Vinnie & Weckl for cwushing my widdle pea-bwain to a fine powda' - it was rough going at first, but it made me a better player AWA listener...]

What I meant was, Rush is Rush because of the teaming of Lee, Lifeson, & Peart. That trio combination is what made them the indentifiable rock unit that they were, & what made them, well, "Rush." Just obvious stuff. [img]wink.gif[/img]

I have LONG since realized that there are plenty of far more frightening players in my heroes-list, but I still can't hear anyone else in Rush but NP, as his third is integral in the puzzle to their rock sound. Lyrics, too...

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