Terri Schiavo Vs. Jessica Lunsford

Something has been really bothering me. Why is our president and lawmakers concerning themselves so fully with a poor woman who has been in a vegitative state for 15 years, when we are having our children killed and abused left and right. Why arent they meeting in a special session about this "piece of trash" Couey and his perverted ways? he took a 9 year old a childs life..the last thing that poor child saw was his disgusting face. How can our president sit up at the White House and wait for a bill to save terri's life but do nothing to avenge a child who's life hadnt even began? Where is the justice in this? This man will sit on some death row cell block getting fed and taken care of until they decide to execute him..if he even gets the death penelty. Terri has been dead pretty much for the last 15 years and the government wants to step in and keep her living such as she is for the rest of her poor life..Why dosnt he pass a bill that says all sex offenders must be put to death the first time they do such an act? Our government is interferring in our constitutial rights. Who gives them that power? and what makes terri more important than others? is it because Jeb dont like having his authority undermined? So he calls in his brother the prez to do something about it? Its all political as usual. But i still have to think its all wrong. Where was our government and Jeb when this little girl was abused and murdered...where? where are they now?? trying to pass a bill to save some woman who truly matters to some people..but to me she isnt as important as our children..all of our children..her quality of life has been lost..Jessica's hadnt even began yet and there are thousands more out there who arent getting the chance either..sex offenders are in every neighborhood..they might be your next door neighbor..they are required to sign in ect..yeah..but who keeps up with them? they are allowed to roam the streets..look at our familes and plot their dirty ways..We cant protect everyone but the government sure can protect one poor woman who cant protect herself..do they really know what this woman wanted? or wants? no..listen to the children who can tell you..before its too late.. [img]graemlins/broken_heart.gif[/img]

<font color="#683355" size="1">[ March 25, 2005 09:55 PM: Message edited by: Chele ]</font>

^5 chele~
I said the SAME thing to hubby, while we were in Maine this weekend.
I understand people have different opinons/views...but , I TOO, said WTF is our govt doing involved,,,,,PERIOD.........!!!
I just agree with you 100 percent......make it 110 percent.......~hugs~

Both of these situations are something I hear about everyday.(since Im in Fl where they both take place)
I agree with ya, This woman is in veg. state for a long time, its not something that all of a sudden one day is going to change. and you are 100% correct about Jeb, his big brother owes him a favor(since he gaurenteed he would be elected 5 years ago) so now hes calling in the favor.

When 9 year old Jessica disappeared, it was the second story on the news AFTER the Schivo case....which is insane.

This guy will sit on death row for at least 15-20 years, thats about how long it takes in Fl befor execution now. Unless they put him in general population where he would be killed by the inmates, since doing harm to a child makes you the lowest of all the criminals in jail.

But unfortunately the government wont step in and do anything to stop this from happening time after time.

I feel sick this morning...they did it..they actually interferred! I just cant beleive it. Whats next?? what else are they going to involve themselves in now? I cant even post something logical right now. Thank you guys for your posts. Its funny when i post something serious it gets very little responses..but let me post something trivial.. [img]confused.gif[/img]

Wow -shakes my head-
I don't really know what to say.
I have to admit I haven't really been following this story, BUT from what you have posted I think it's pretty disgusting -sighs-
About all I can say right now is...."walk a mile in this ladies shoes, even her families shoes"
I just don't understand the way Governments work now a days [img]confused.gif[/img]

letter to my congressman:

Comments: I would like to know where Mr. Taylor stood on the Terri Schiavo vote. I feel very strongly about the turn this has taken. There are children being attacked and killed by sexual predators every day and NO one is having a special emergency session of congrass to pass any laws for them. Why has this poor woman who has been "dead' for all intents and purposes for 15 years getting the royal treatment and poor Jessica Lunsford and many others are just being buried and given a prayer. I want my congressman to know how I feel and I hope he will do something for Me since he was voted in by people just like Me as MY voice in the government. Isnt there something that can be done? If this law goes into effect I wonder what will be next. Children become adults in the courts eyes pretty much at 18 I think, so will this then mean that parents can be held responsible for their children at age 41 or older? That when I married my husband Im still under my parents care? Dont you think someone somewhere will think of this and began pushing for more laws to this effect? It only takes one mistake. This interferrence by the government I beleive will snowball into things none of us want to happen. Maybe I dont know everything, Im by no means a politician or anyone of true consequence, But are my feelings any less important? Thank you for your time.


Im going to send more of those too..soon as i get some addy's.. [img]wink.gif[/img]

there is three down....now i need to go higher..Bush here i come!!! [img]rolleyes.gif[/img]

I'm very curious to see who responds to you and what they say. Good for you Chele for sending them all an e-mail [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]

Chele...im sorry i havent responded before this..
this topic is something that i have very strong
feelings about...this whole situation....is
sickening...DYl and i have discussed it..and all
the options and opinions...

Her poor husband...who has a life that he cant
live because her parents want to keep her "alive"
people say he wants to let her die because he
has a new woman in his life and wants the insurance
money....wtf? he has been paying for this poor
woman to live a life that i feel she would NOT
want to live...what insurance money? hospice
care and the likes do not come cheap...this
poor man will be in debt for the rest of his life
for taking care of her for so long! i was
watching on the news tonite...a doctor who
explained her situation...the injuries to her
brain that is causing this...and explained her
responses that her parents claim she is still
alive and not brain dead......the major part of her
brain is a black hole....nothing there...but
her brain stem is still functioning...what does
this mean? she is brain dead...injured to a point
she will NEVER recover.....the brain stem functioning
means...she responds due to stimulation only...
NOT because her brain is working and telling her
to move, smile, make sounds....but because her
nerve endings respond...her mom hugging her...
touching her face...touching nerves that make
the responses happen..if you watch the videos they
show of her....the only time she responds is if
someone touches her...

what REALLY pisses me off......the things that I
have lived through dealing with an asshole fuking
ex...the law basically telling me...i HAVE to take
my kids to him....even though he has been arrested
for trying to kill me...i HAVE to put them in a
dangerous situation or if he has the money to
push the charges...I...ME can be arrested for
NOT taking them to his house every weekend....
yes they are of the age to speak to a judge and
tell him what they want...but it will cost me
$3-4000 to revise the visitations......my lawyers
advice....just dont take them...cause the ex does
not have the money to push the charges...he will
have to come up with the $3-4000 to charge me...
so i havent been taking them...and praying he
doesnt come up with that kind of money...cause
if he does......im in contempt of court???

and our government is in emergency session..to
decide what???? sure as hell isnt how to protect
kids in situations like mine!!!

sent! I wonder if anyone will respond? Im sure the president has more important things to do but i would be curious if i get an answer.. [img]confused.gif[/img]

*hugs mrs G*


WELL..they denied the request to re-insert the tube..lets all pray this poor woman can slip away with whats left of her dignity..god is up there no matter who's side they think he is on..

*HUGS* chele.....you are so right

I'm so glad they denied the request....

i just wanted to thank you for this topic, chele.
for many different reasons

Where to begin? I think the Schivo case is completely whacked. The woman is a vegetable. To be kept alive is wrong. She doesn't know anything or realize anything. With the feeding tube removed the doctors said the part of her brain the recognizes pain and so on is damaged and she would die without pain and suffering. Why make her husband continue to suffer? WHY? If her parents want to handle the burden then let them f*cking handle it...relinquish him of all his ties and grant him the severance for all the suffering HE has had to endure to be tied to a woman who is in a vegetative state all these years and the people who refused to grant him the means to pull the plug. The Government has taken too many liberties in deciding what we can and can not do. Where do our Rights end and begin anymore? They step in where they shouldn't and then when they should they drop the ball and are left wanting. Convicted sex offenders are placed BACK into society without castration just so they can offend again and often times commit a worse crime. Justice has limits. It isn't free and it sure as hell isn't easy to come by. The government has placed too many loopholes on everything and you can scream till you are blue in the face to be heard and the bastards just turn the other cheek. Our current president doesn't seem to care about the hard working man and the struggles of every day life and what it really takes to be an American. Death Row anymore to most is just a free ride and a meal ticket in a 5 star hotel. (The Oregon State Penitentiary in Sheridan, Oregon about 12 miles from me is often called the Country Club because of its tennis courts and so on.) Laws need to be rewritten and made tougher and prison needs to go back to being just that PRISON. Time to go back to treating the inmates like what they are instead of treating them better than the rest of us. They are put in Prison for a reason. [img]mad.gif[/img]

First and only reply thus far. It said pretty much nothing i didnt laready know and he didnt address the Jessica Lunsford part of my letter to him. My impression of this email back to me was this......I voted for it..deal with it.. [img]mad.gif[/img]

"Thank you for contacting me to express your views about the Terri Schiavo case. I always appreciate hearing from constituents, and greatly benefit from knowing your views.

In a special session on March 21st, Congress overwhelmingly passed S. 686, a bill providing relief for the parents of Theresa Marie Schiavo. Specifically, this legislation states that the federal courts in Florida shall have jurisdiction to hear a suit on behalf of Theresa Schiavo for the alleged violation of any right under the Constitution or laws of the United States relating to the withholding or withdrawal of food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain her life. This legislation does not state whether or not Terri should be kept alive -- it simply allows review of her case by the federal courts. I voted in strong support of this legislation.

As you may be aware, Terri Schiavo suffered brain damage in 1990 when a chemical imbalance apparently brought on by an eating disorder caused her heart to stop beating for several minutes. Because of this Terri can breathe on her own, but has relied on a feeding and hydration tube to keep her alive for the last fifteen years. Doctors removed Terri's feeding tube Friday despite a last-minute push by Congress to use its subpoena powers to keep her alive.

I understand that this is a very emotional issue for many people across the nation; it is certainly a terrible situation for Terri Schiavo, her parents, and her husband. I know that you will join me in continuing to pray for all those involved.

Again, thank you for contacting me. Should you need any assistance in this or any other matter, please do not hesitate to call or write. Your thoughts and comments are always welcome. With warmest regards, I am,"

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Shatz you'll have to fill me in on your views sometime ..I'd be interested to know them.. [img]graemlins/phone.gif[/img] [img]wink.gif[/img]

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Originally posted by BlackMagicRose:
The Government has taken too many liberties in deciding what we can and can not do. Where do our Rights end and begin anymore? They step in where they shouldn't and then when they should they drop the ball and are left wanting. Convicted sex offenders are placed BACK into society without castration just so they can offend again and often times commit a worse crime. Justice has limits. It isn't free and it sure as hell isn't easy to come by. The government has placed too many loopholes on everything and you can scream till you are blue in the face to be heard and the bastards just turn the other cheek. Our current president doesn't seem to care about the hard working man and the struggles of every day life and what it really takes to be an American. Death Row anymore to most is just a free ride and a meal ticket in a 5 star hotel. (The Oregon State Penitentiary in Sheridan, Oregon about 12 miles from me is often called the Country Club because of its tennis courts and so on.) Laws need to be rewritten and made tougher and prison needs to go back to being just that PRISON. Time to go back to treating the inmates like what they are instead of treating them better than the rest of us. They are put in Prison for a reason. [img]mad.gif[/img]

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<font size="4" face="Tempus Sans ITC, Verdana, Arial">WELL said!!..*claps*

^5 Rosie....my exs foster brother...would commit
a crime....rob a cabin...steal a car...things
like that...just to go to jail when he couldnt
get a job...so he didnt have to worry about
finding a job....cause everything was supplied
for him....a bed to sleep in, his cigarettes,
hot food(and best food in town according to him)
cable tv, a gym to work out in...
what is wrong with this picture??????

dont get me wrong....i loved Mikey...he would
do anything for me and the lil men...
and the life he lived(the drugs and the drinking)
took him away from us...and maybe im
wrong in thinking this BUT.....at least the
tax payers dont have to supply his housing
anymore....

its just so damn frustrating and its getting
worse!

They wonder what is happening to our world WELL they have made it what it is. My Grandfather was a County Sheriff's Deputy and he pretty much saw how the system worked and why it failed. Dirty pool. Until they start listening to the people and give us the power to make choices and ACTUALLY listen things won't change. [img]mad.gif[/img]

3 words: begin socialism now


heh..... heh

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Originally posted by Chele:
Shatz you'll have to fill me in on your views sometime ..I'd be interested to know them.. [img]graemlins/phone.gif[/img] [img]wink.gif[/img]

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<font size="4" face="Tempus Sans ITC, Verdana, Arial">that can surely be arranged [img]wink.gif[/img]

We will make a date soon.. [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]

Meanwhile, FBI agents have arrested a North Carolina man on suspicion of soliciting offers over the internet to kill Michael Schiavo and Greer. Richard Alan Meywes of Fairview is accused of offering $250,000 for the killing of Schiavo and another $50,000 for the "the elimination of the judge who ruled against Terry."

Meywes was arrested without incident at his home around 5 p.m. Friday on charges of solicitation of murder and transmission of a threatening communication via interstate commerce, authorities said.

If convicted, Meywes could face up to 15 years in prison and up to $500,000 in fines. He is expected to make an initial court appearance Monday in U.S. District Court in Asheville, North Carolina.

<font color="red">This guy lives about 15 minutes from us..nice to know isnt it.. [img]graemlins/hmmm.gif[/img] </font>

i agree with bits and pieces of what y'all said...

my oldest lil gurl's father*smirks...if he can really be called that*..was in prison before we met and i remember at least one time when he said that he should just get sent back to prison cuz they he wouldn't have to worry bout a place to live or any of that...i was like WTF you have a daughter and a wife*RME*..

the prison system is much to easy on A LOT of the offenders

as far as the Schiavo case...i think if her parents want her alive so dayum bad that THEY need to be the ones responsible for the medical bills she is incurring and that they need to find a way to release her husband from the responsibilty and the marriage...i mean she IS brain dead and there is no way she will come out of that so why make him give up a chance at happiness with his new woman and their child...

i don't see what the government is doing stickin their nose in the business either...there are more pressing things at least in my mind that they should be concerning with themselves at the present moment...the abuse our children suffer is just one of them...not to mention gettin the rest of our men and women home from Iraq...

***just my 2 cents***

I don't agree with 90% of what's been said, but so as not to offend anyone I'm going to keep quiet.

But the reason Terri was made into a bigger deal than Jessica is simple, the media feeds on what hands that are being shuffled as opposed to hands that have already been dealt.

My point about the two cases wasnt so much media attention and who got what. I was trying to say why is everyone making such a big deal out of this one woman (ie..lawmakers..president..gov's ect) when our children need protecion and laws made for them! if this man had gotten what he deserved the first time he touched an innocent child..Jessica would be alive today..plain and simple logic..Our lawmakers are up there trying to save a 41 year old vegetable and letting our children suffer horrendous sexual abuses and murders. Whats right about that? So..why is terri's life such as it is now..worth more than jessica's (or any other child)

Thats my arguement.....and thus far no lawmaker ive written has understood that..go figure.. [img]mad.gif[/img]

you people know me fairly well... and you know how opinionated i can be.... issues like this are dangerous for me to get into... lets just say i have my own opinions on the issues...ALL of them.. Terri, Jessica, George and Jeb, along with an opinion on half the other media circus events and political ass grabbings... but for the sake of contentment my opinions are best left unsaid...

Chicken shit! [img]eek.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Terri Schiavo has died [img]graemlins/broken_heart.gif[/img]

I was just reading that. I certainly hope all this will die down and she will finally be at peace. Same for her family and most of all for her husband who in my opinion was doing what he thought was right for the woman he loved. He was strong thru so much and had nothing to gain from his choices. I hope he will be allowed to live the remainder of his life peacefully and happily. As for her parents and siblings..I cant imagine going thru what they have on a personal level but i also cant understand why they felt the need to hang onto something that was gone so long ago. I can understand hope but sometimes you have to face reality. cold hard facts said her brain was gone and wasnt coming back..you cannto regrow a brain..whole thing is sad.

Rest in peace terri.. [img]graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

now that she has passed on im gonna say at least this much... why is it we can execute a death row inmate kindly and cleanly and humanely.. we can put down wounded or sick animals...or even strays that nobody wants... but in cases like the Schiavo case..all we can do is slowly let someone starve to death for over two weeks? somehow putting a human being out of their misery is illegal...(has a feeling im gonna regret my choice of words)

As Forest Gump would put it: Stupid is as Stupid does.

[img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img] to you both!

I totally agree with you there EVO..YOU know i dont think this is over, just cuz terri has passed away theres still gonna be some fighting going on with her husband and her parents...I think it was unfair to her parents...her husband didnt want her, but her parents did her husband should of gave custody of terri to her parents..Her husband had a new life anyways...As for Jessica i feel sad the way they handled everything and the coverage of her, but either of them deserved to die in anyway

1. i am blessed by the good fortune of having the parents i have/had...i KNOW they wouldn't do this to me for 15 years....but to avoid my mother ever being put in a position to make that tough choice, i SHALL be making up a living will

2. more awareness needs to happen about eating disorders and the toll they take

3. i remain incredulous that the law sees it fit to withdraw food and water supply to bring on a person's death, but not allow the administration of something to help them on their way - we're allowed to be more compassionate with a sick animal

<font color="#683355" size="1">[ March 31, 2005 07:35 PM: Message edited by: Fiona-A ]</font>

I dont know CG. I wouldnt say her husband didnt want her. I dont think he could really have her such as she was. He knew she was never going to get better. He deserved a chance to have children and live a normal life i think. If i had been terri i would have wanted him to be able to live his life to the fullest. I'd never have wanted my husband to sit by a "shell" day in and day out. Love isnt selfish. The ultimate selfishness on his part would have been to divorce her and leave her to her parents who in my opinion didnt care enough to want their daughter to be able to leave the world with dignity. I cant imagine my parents plastering my face all over god's green earth if i were in that position. They would never have been so selfish as to have wanted me to live like that just so they could "care" for me. Terri had no quality of life. I prefer quality over quantity anyday. Give me 5 years of a good life as compared to 15 of a sad and lonely life. If this were my child, I'd have loved her enough to let her go when i knew she was never going to be herself again. never walk in the sunshine..never go to see a movie with me..never to be able to care for me when i was old and grey..never to hear her laugh and know she really felt something worth laffing over..No terri had no life left to live yet her family wanted her around..why? to make them feel better? so they could see her everyday? Ive made a living will. This forced me to do it. I dont ever want to take the chance this could happen to me. But i do know one thing..MY parents love me enough and respect me enough to never allow a horror like this to be done to me. AND if god forbid something happened to me and Aaron was left to make a choice. I want him to find happiness..i dont want him alone and grieving..I want him to live his days with someone to care for him and love him I love him that much!

true i wouldnt want my husband to sit and wait for me i would want him to find happiness...but i could tell you one thing i wouldnt want him to make up the choice for me weither to live or die i would want the ones who had me to have that choice...I just think it wasnt really fair for him to go out and have an affair with someone else..he should of divorced her...I havent done a will yet, but i am gonna do one..he should of done it along time ago...why after 15 years and say take her off the feeding tube?...just happy that now she can rest in peace and no more pain

[img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img] chele

there is one thing that really pissed me off and i think it was really unfair that her husband kept her parents away from her...her parents were asked to leave 10 minutes before she died...How would you feel to be kept away from your own daughter dying when you knew they were the last hours of her life? ...sorry for going on...I'll shut up now