A Modest Proposal

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January 9th, 2007, 05:13 AM
cebula_2005

27"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. 30Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31Do to others as you would have them do to you.
32"If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them. 33And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' do that. 34And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' lend to 'sinners,' expecting to be repaid in full. 35But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. 36Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.
Luke 6:27-36

Put it in context.
Try reading the whole Bible...then argue with me.

[ January 09, 2007 01:16 AM: Message edited by: Tra ]
January 9th, 2007, 06:12 AM
JabberwockyPie

Tra, you have your Lil' Board of Hate, as we "in the know" refer to it. Why don't you just leave the non-Christians alone on the other boards?

Not everyone feels so threatened by another belief system that they feel the need to squash it.

The role of "oppressed, holier-than-thou Christian victim" is getting old. Why don't you just get a portable cross so that you can hop up and nail yourself to it when you're feeling like a martyr?
January 9th, 2007, 06:14 AM
cebula_2005

Look who's talking!
January 9th, 2007, 06:26 AM
JabberwockyPie

Quote:

Originally posted by Tra:
Look who's talking!

I'll admit it, I'm prejudiced against whiny little girls who try to impose their beliefs on others.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by that. I like 99% of all Christians I've met. You're the only one who complains about how the mere existence of religions different from your own is "eroding your rights".
January 9th, 2007, 06:29 AM
cebula_2005

You like anyone who lets you do whatever you want without saying that it may be harmful to yourself or others. Aren't you the one trying to impose YOUR beliefs that "Everything is permissible" on me?
January 9th, 2007, 06:38 AM
JabberwockyPie

Quote:

Originally posted by Tra:
You like anyone who lets you do whatever you want without saying that it may be harmful to yourself or others. Aren't you the one trying to impose YOUR beliefs that "Everything is permissible" on me?

You know, this is the only time I've seen you get really angry. I do believe I won my bet.

The ironic thing here is that if I get bored stop posting you'll assume you won.
January 9th, 2007, 06:41 AM
cebula_2005

What makes you think I'm angry? I'm having fun, actually.

And I won't assume that...you will never see my POV and thus I will never win with you.
January 9th, 2007, 04:27 PM
JabberwockyPie

Tra, you often tell us that everything in the bible is true and right. Therefore, I have a proposal: as a good Christian, how about letting me borrow Nellie and Ariel?

"Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back." -Luke 6:30

"But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked." -Luke 6:35
January 11th, 2007, 09:58 PM
stormchaser

Quote:

Originally posted by Tra:
Look who's talking!

Why do you always insisted that we feel threatened by "the truth", even as you fail to give one reason that it is, in fact, the truth?
January 12th, 2007, 04:18 PM
cebula_2005

I have given plenty of reasons that you refuse to see or acknowledge...I have said this plenty of times and I will not say it again.
January 12th, 2007, 07:29 PM
zozey

Yet again, give some proof other than "Everything around us is good".
And by the way, not everything around us is good.
January 13th, 2007, 01:39 AM
cebula_2005

I did not say that "everything around us is good" I said that everything around us that is good is obvious proof of God.
January 13th, 2007, 01:40 AM
zozey

And everything around us that is bad, which is over half of things?
January 13th, 2007, 02:02 AM
cebula_2005

That is proof of Satan's existence.
January 13th, 2007, 02:03 AM
zozey

Cool. And the fact that there is more bad than good means that Satan [img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img] rules over God [img]graemlins/angel.gif[/img] ?

[ January 12, 2007 10:03 PM: Message edited by: zozey ]
January 13th, 2007, 02:48 AM
Emmalina

Quote:

Originally posted by zozey:
Cool. And the fact that there is more bad than good means that Satan [img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img] rules over God [img]graemlins/angel.gif[/img] ?

[ January 12, 2007 10:03 PM: Message edited by: zozey ]

Satan by no means rules over God. God is the Creator of the world, and ruler of all things. All the bad around us shows how corrupt this world has become, not that Satan rules over God. I would suggest reading Genesis and read about the creation of the world, and how Satan is deomoted and will,"crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life." Genesis 3:14. Satan is a serpent, and nowhere in the Bible does it say he is higher than God, the maker of all things.

~Emma
January 13th, 2007, 01:55 PM
cebula_2005

Emma is right. The only reason there is so much bad in the world is because of corruption of good. The only power Satan has is what God allows him to have for a short period of time. God has a plan that I don't understand. But because all things work together for the good of those who love the Lord I have faith that His plan is the absolute best thing out there. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ January 13, 2007 10:00 AM: Message edited by: Tra ]
January 13th, 2007, 09:10 PM
zozey

Quote:

Originally posted by EmmaMuffin:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by zozey:
Cool. And the fact that there is more bad than good means that Satan [img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img] rules over God [img]graemlins/angel.gif[/img] ?

[ January 12, 2007 10:03 PM: Message edited by: zozey ]

Satan by no means rules over God. God is the Creator of the world, and ruler of all things. All the bad around us shows how corrupt this world has become, not that Satan rules over God. I would suggest reading Genesis and read about the creation of the world, and how Satan is deomoted and will,"crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life." Genesis 3:14. Satan is a serpent, and nowhere in the Bible does it say he is higher than God, the maker of all things.

~Emma<hr /></blockquote>The book of genesis is what I call the book of **** . or **** . take your pick. Give me proof that God created the world and I will believe you. And NO you have not given me any proof.
January 14th, 2007, 01:56 AM
Emmalina

Quote:

Originally posted by zozey:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by EmmaMuffin:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by zozey:
Cool. And the fact that there is more bad than good means that Satan [img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img] rules over God [img]graemlins/angel.gif[/img] ?

[ January 12, 2007 10:03 PM: Message edited by: zozey ]

Satan by no means rules over God. God is the Creator of the world, and ruler of all things. All the bad around us shows how corrupt this world has become, not that Satan rules over God. I would suggest reading Genesis and read about the creation of the world, and how Satan is deomoted and will,"crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life." Genesis 3:14. Satan is a serpent, and nowhere in the Bible does it say he is higher than God, the maker of all things.

~Emma<hr /></blockquote>The book of genesis is what I call the book of **** . or **** . take your pick. Give me proof that God created the world and I will believe you. And NO you have not given me any proof.<hr /></blockquote>Read the first verse of the first chapter of Genesis. Here is a link http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...1;&version=31;

Also, as you may know, the Dead Sea Scrolls were recently discovered in Caves near the dead sea, and they were books of the Bible. The Dead Sea Scrolls are some of the oldest books in existence, and many historians have come to believe these to contain truth. I think that Genesis shows the creation of the world and is very good proof.
January 14th, 2007, 01:57 AM
Emmalina

Quote:

Originally posted by zozey:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by EmmaMuffin:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by zozey:
Cool. And the fact that there is more bad than good means that Satan [img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img] rules over God [img]graemlins/angel.gif[/img] ?

[ January 12, 2007 10:03 PM: Message edited by: zozey ]

Satan by no means rules over God. God is the Creator of the world, and ruler of all things. All the bad around us shows how corrupt this world has become, not that Satan rules over God. I would suggest reading Genesis and read about the creation of the world, and how Satan is deomoted and will,"crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life." Genesis 3:14. Satan is a serpent, and nowhere in the Bible does it say he is higher than God, the maker of all things.

~Emma<hr /></blockquote>The book of genesis is what I call the book of **** . or **** . take your pick. Give me proof that God created the world and I will believe you. And NO you have not given me any proof.<hr /></blockquote>Read the first verse of the first chapter of Genesis. Here is a link http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...1;&version=31;

Also, as you may know, the Dead Sea Scrolls were recently discovered in Caves near the dead sea, and they were books of the Bible. The Dead Sea Scrolls are some of the oldest books in existence, and many historians have come to believe these to contain truth. I think that Genesis shows the creation of the world and is very good proof.
January 15th, 2007, 06:12 PM
zozey

Quote:

Originally posted by EmmaMuffin:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by zozey:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by EmmaMuffin:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by zozey:
Cool. And the fact that there is more bad than good means that Satan [img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img] rules over God [img]graemlins/angel.gif[/img] ?

[ January 12, 2007 10:03 PM: Message edited by: zozey ]

Satan by no means rules over God. God is the Creator of the world, and ruler of all things. All the bad around us shows how corrupt this world has become, not that Satan rules over God. I would suggest reading Genesis and read about the creation of the world, and how Satan is deomoted and will,"crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life." Genesis 3:14. Satan is a serpent, and nowhere in the Bible does it say he is higher than God, the maker of all things.

~Emma<hr /></blockquote>The book of genesis is what I call the book of **** . or **** . take your pick. Give me proof that God created the world and I will believe you. And NO you have not given me any proof.<hr /></blockquote>Read the first verse of the first chapter of Genesis. Here is a link http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...1;&version=31;

Also, as you may know, the Dead Sea Scrolls were recently discovered in Caves near the dead sea, and they were books of the Bible. The Dead Sea Scrolls are some of the oldest books in existence, and many historians have come to believe these to contain truth. I think that Genesis shows the creation of the world and is very good proof.<hr /></blockquote>They could be real... but if we weren't around for it how would we know?
Maybe some crazy man just wrote down a story he made up and stuck it in a cave.
January 15th, 2007, 07:21 PM
the happy heathen

Also, as you may know, the Dead Sea Scrolls were recently discovered in Caves near the dead sea, and they were books of the Bible. The Dead Sea Scrolls are some of the oldest books in existence, and many historians have come to believe these to contain truth. I think that Genesis shows the creation of the world and is very good proof.

Emma Muffin, I just can't wrap my mind around how exactly you think your paragraph above is proof of the correctness of your religion.

I don't really dispute Sentence 1 ("the Dead Sea Scrolls were recently discovered in Caves near the dead sea, and they were books of the Bible"). Yup, they were discovered near the Dead Sea (hence the name!) and 50+ years ago is recently enough, I suppose.

I don't really have a huge problem with Sentence 2 either ("The Dead Sea Scrolls are some of the oldest books in existence, and many historians have come to believe these to contain truth"). Yup, they're old. I'm sure historians agree about that. And probably some religious historians already thought the texts were true.

But how in the world does Sentence 3 ("I think that Genesis shows the creation of the world and is very good proof") connect us back in any way to Sentences 1 and 2? It doesn't. You're just tacking your own belief at the end of the paragraph, trying to make it seem legit.

Also, are you aware of how much controversy surrounds the Dead Sea scrolls? For decades, there has been major debate over who authored the documents, as well as evidence of the Vatican suppressing certain documents from publication. So, you see, even the religious folks can't agree about the scrolls.

But all this aside, your argument that old documents = true documents is not sound. Just because I find a prehistoric goatskin that tells me trees eat squirrels doesn't mean I have to believe it.