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March 28th, 2005, 08:45 AM
twizzle

A tiny, rather innocuous little thread about DH/his 'team' failing to capitalise on Popular's success in the US dance chart by not performing any club dates etc. has now been deleted from the new public bbs. [img]graemlins/thumbs_down.gif[/img]

What a sham(e). No-one in it was being rude or overly critical, merely voicing their (reasonable) opinions re how it was a missed opportunity etc. and now it's disappeared.

So much for me thinking that the new place might actually turn out to be a balanced forum. [img]graemlins/sure.gif[/img]

[ March 28, 2005 05:32 AM: Message edited by: Twizzle ]
March 28th, 2005, 11:38 AM
DarrensPassion

I seem to have completely missed this whole incident as a) I had my whole family (my mum, Alan's parents, my sis and her family round all weekend) and we've been out etc and b) yesterday evening when I wanted to go on-line bloody NTL's servers were all down and I had no internet connection at all!! [img]mad.gif[/img]

LOL could someone fill me in on what's gone on? [img]smile.gif[/img]

Janie xx
March 28th, 2005, 11:42 AM
Kattitude

OMFGawwwwwwwwwd unbelievable

you have got to be kidding me????

Janie, you couldnt of gotten a more innocent thread

it was started just saying how popular had been no 1 on club scene that its a shame DH and peoples didnt capitilise on that. Had about 6 or so replies. Me included just saying Great idea.. should of done it etc etc. I was even postive and said hope they are thinking of doing that.

Im waiting for the "do you like Spin" thread to get delted now. Cause I said NO but then added reasons and a few postives lol

oops forgot to say the capilise on it was to play a few clubs in the US.

Kat

[ March 28, 2005 07:46 AM: Message edited by: Kattitude ]
March 28th, 2005, 11:43 AM
twizzle

There was no 'incident' hun *g* - just a thread saying how they (DH/mgmt etc) seemed to have missed a golden opportunity by not cashing in on Popular's success in the US clubs by not making any club appearances and suchlike. As I said up there, it was a totally respectful thread with a few ppl voicing their opinions by saying what a shame it was that it didn't happen (and that's probably why it got deleted [img]wink.gif[/img] lol).
March 28th, 2005, 11:48 AM
Kattitude

Quote:

Originally posted by Twizzle:
There was no 'incident' hun *g* - just a thread saying how they (DH/mgmt etc) seemed to have missed a golden opportunity by not cashing in on Popular's success in the US clubs by not making any club appearances and suchlike. As I said up there, it was a totally respectful thread with a few ppl voicing their opinions by saying what a shame it was that it didn't happen (and that's probably why it got deleted [img]wink.gif[/img] lol).

Maybe it hit on a sore point?? Or maybe they were going to make a big announcement about it and Kira beat them to the punch lol

Maybe they are just anal retentive twats
[img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img]

Kat
March 28th, 2005, 11:49 AM
twizzle

Quote:

Originally posted by Kattitude:
...Maybe they are just anal retentive twats
[img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img]

Kat

And we have a winner!!! [img]wink.gif[/img] LMFAO

Gawd! It's fucking pathetic though isn't it? [img]graemlins/sure.gif[/img]
March 28th, 2005, 11:52 AM
Kattitude

Quote:

Originally posted by Twizzle:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Kattitude:
...Maybe they are just anal retentive twats
[img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img]

Kat

And we have a winner!!! [img]wink.gif[/img] LMFAO

Gawd! It's fucking pathetic though isn't it? [img]graemlins/sure.gif[/img] <hr /></blockquote>It's unbelievable!!! How could a thread like that be deemed threatning or negative. WTF is wrong with them???
Pathetic indeed!!!!!

Kat
March 28th, 2005, 11:58 AM
twizzle

I dunno Kat but something's seriously wrong over there if they think that everyone in DH land has to have rays of positivity shooting out of their arses! [img]tongue.gif[/img] lol

Stupid, stupid ppl!
March 28th, 2005, 12:01 PM
Kattitude

Quote:

Originally posted by Twizzle:
I dunno Kat but something's seriously wrong over there if they think that everyone in DH land has to have rays of positivity shooting out of their arses! [img]tongue.gif[/img] lol

Stupid, stupid ppl!

Wrong?? they are deranged I think. In need of serious proffessional help with their issues.

Goddammit I think I liked it better when all that shit went on behind locked fanclub doors not out in the open where its baiting me LOL

Kat
March 28th, 2005, 12:11 PM
Dyan

*shakes head sadly*

Darren is so much more talented than to get this type of crap on his board .......... yeah, that didn't make sense. LOL But hopefully people will know what I mean. He doesn't need artifical "happiness" to make his music successful.
March 28th, 2005, 12:14 PM
Kattitude

Quote:

Originally posted by Dyan:
*shakes head sadly*

Darren is so much more talented than to get this type of crap on his board .......... yeah, that didn't make sense. LOL But hopefully people will know what I mean. He doesn't need artifical "happiness" to make his music successful.

It makes sense Dyan, and I completely agree. They just dont seem to realise it.

Kat
March 28th, 2005, 12:17 PM
DarrensPassion

WTF!!?? It sounds as though an opportunity has gone missing if they have failed to capitalise on the success of Popular in the US dance clubs and charts though. I mean how can comments like that be construed as being disrespectful or negative? It beggars belief that they deleted the whole thread!! [img]eek.gif[/img]

Look, what is the point of all these dh forums if things cannot be openly discussed? Hello, discussions include all different points of view, so without them there can be no intelligent conversations [img]confused.gif[/img] Nothing I've seen since the public board opened has been anything but totally polite and respectful.

Janie xx
March 28th, 2005, 12:22 PM
Kattitude

Quote:

Originally posted by DarrensPassion:
WTF!!?? It sounds as though an opportunity has gone missing if they have failed to capitalise on the success of Popular in the US dance clubs and charts though. I mean how can comments like that be construed as being disrespectful or negative? It beggars belief that they deleted the whole thread!! [img]eek.gif[/img]

Look, what is the point of all these dh forums if things cannot be openly discussed? Hello, discussions include all different points of view, so without them there can be no intelligent conversations [img]confused.gif[/img] Nothing I've seen since the public board opened has been anything but totally polite and respectful.

Janie xx

Exactly what is the point of these "discussion" forums if discussion even polite and respectful discussion is deleted. I cant even begin to understand the mentality on this one.

I think the OP brought up a great point. Why didnt they capitalise on popular being a huge hit in clubs and do some club gigs like he did in the UK?? What is wrong with stating that or asking why?

What is suppose to be posted on that board.???

Kat
March 28th, 2005, 12:31 PM
twizzle

Quote:

What is suppose to be posted on that board.???

I suspect that ones containing pictues of fluffy bunnies, cute kitties and suchlike would be just ideal! [img]wink.gif[/img]
March 28th, 2005, 12:34 PM
Kattitude

Quote:

Originally posted by Twizzle:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />What is suppose to be posted on that board.???

I suspect that ones containing pictues of fluffy bunnies, cute kitties and suchlike would be just ideal! [img]wink.gif[/img] <hr /></blockquote>Oh yeah duh how stupid of me.

Let the fact that none of that represents Darren get in the way of good fluff posts.

Man have any of them really listened to TTATS lately or listened to what Darren says. He is NOT all lightness and fluff. FFS I would like to think the man would encourage intelligent discussion on whatever (in reason) we fucken chose.

Kat
March 28th, 2005, 12:38 PM
twizzle

I believe that too Kat! I mean to say, here we have an intelligent and erudite man who is being represented online as having no more substance than cotton wool!

That can't be right! [img]graemlins/thumbs_down.gif[/img]
March 28th, 2005, 12:42 PM
Kattitude

Quote:

Originally posted by Twizzle:
I believe that too Kat! I mean to say, here we have an intelligent and erudite man who is being represented online as having no more substance than cotton wool!

That can't be right! [img]graemlins/thumbs_down.gif[/img]

Exactly!!!!It just makes him look vapid and shallow. Its pretty sad. Any mature fan coming across that site would run pretty fast not being able to match the albums with the man represented on that board.

Kat
March 28th, 2005, 12:43 PM
DarrensPassion

Quote:

Originally posted by Twizzle:
I believe that too Kat! I mean to say, here we have an intelligent and erudite man who is being represented online as having no more substance than cotton wool!

That can't be right! [img]graemlins/thumbs_down.gif[/img]

It isn't right and for the life of me I wonder why it's encouraged? Does intelligent fan = bad fan these days?

Janie xx
March 28th, 2005, 12:46 PM
Kattitude

Quote:

Originally posted by DarrensPassion:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Twizzle:
I believe that too Kat! I mean to say, here we have an intelligent and erudite man who is being represented online as having no more substance than cotton wool!

That can't be right! [img]graemlins/thumbs_down.gif[/img]

It isn't right and for the life of me I wonder why it's encouraged? Does intelligent fan = bad fan these days?

Janie xx<hr /></blockquote>I dont know Janie but it seems to be the way. [img]frown.gif[/img]
I just cant fathom the mentality on any level. Why they want it like that? What purpose is it achieving? None as far as I can see.

Kat
March 28th, 2005, 12:59 PM
twizzle

Quote:

Originally posted by DarrensPassion:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Twizzle:
I believe that too Kat! I mean to say, here we have an intelligent and erudite man who is being represented online as having no more substance than cotton wool!

That can't be right! [img]graemlins/thumbs_down.gif[/img]

It isn't right and for the life of me I wonder why it's encouraged? Does intelligent fan = bad fan these days?

Janie xx<hr /></blockquote>It seems to be that way doesn't it? It's so foolish though b/c this constant misrepresentation of him can only lead to disenchantment, disrespect and distrust.
March 28th, 2005, 01:07 PM
Kattitude

Quote:

Originally posted by Twizzle:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DarrensPassion:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Twizzle:
I believe that too Kat! I mean to say, here we have an intelligent and erudite man who is being represented online as having no more substance than cotton wool!

That can't be right! [img]graemlins/thumbs_down.gif[/img]

It isn't right and for the life of me I wonder why it's encouraged? Does intelligent fan = bad fan these days?

Janie xx<hr /></blockquote>It seems to be that way doesn't it? It's so foolish though b/c this constant misrepresentation of him can only lead to disenchantment, disrespect and distrust.<hr /></blockquote>*nods head* yep. And we know we just cant ask why? because noone has any logical and clear answers. That is if you got an answer anyways. Its ludicrious. Its gutless and pointless. It is dissapointing and completely shows a lack of respect.

Kat
March 28th, 2005, 01:10 PM
DarrensPassion

It seems as though people with brains are regarded as a bit of a threat then cos they ask too many questions or because they're able to think things out for themselves [img]wink.gif[/img] Since when was it a crime to make suggestions about his promo? [img]confused.gif[/img] It at least it shows that we actually care how Darren's career is doing because we want TTATS to be a success and do well for him!

Janie xx
March 28th, 2005, 01:14 PM
Kattitude

Quote:

Originally posted by DarrensPassion:
It seems as though people with brains are regarded as a bit of a threat then cos they ask too many questions or because they're able to think things out for themselves [img]wink.gif[/img] Since when was it a crime to make suggestions about his promo? [img]confused.gif[/img] It at least it shows that we actually care how Darren's career is doing because we want TTATS to be a success and do well for him!

Janie xx

It seems to be that way Janie. It really does sadden me. To see a guy like Darren reduced to floofiness and thats it. It does show people care and I always thought making suggestions is what they wanted. There is no crime in saying such a thing. My mind is baffled to the mindset that thought that such a post should be deleted.

Kat
March 28th, 2005, 01:17 PM
twizzle

I still can't get my head around the fact that the thread in question was deleted! What on earth did the mod(s) who made that decision think was wrong with it?

So now you can't have legitimate questions or opinions on there either? *shakes head* It really is too bad.
March 28th, 2005, 01:22 PM
Kattitude

Quote:

Originally posted by Twizzle:
I still can't get my head around the fact that the thread in question was deleted! What on earth did the mod(s) who made that decision think was wrong with it?

So now you can't have legitimate questions or opinions on there either? *shakes head* It really is too bad.

I know Terry. The thread was completly fine. It was just an observation with an opinion. It was about club appearances FFS. I think the Mod(s) who made that call really is a halfwit for sure.Because anyone with half a brain wouldnt even think like that. It just defies logic.

Wel lone can only hope that if things liek that keep happening the sony board will pick up cause at least you get a bit of free speech happening there.

Kat
March 28th, 2005, 01:27 PM
twizzle

Yep Kat, at least that thread would've survived over on Sony and would've generated a lot of interest. It's a pity that Kira didn't post it on there too!
March 28th, 2005, 01:33 PM
Kattitude

Quote:

Originally posted by Twizzle:
Yep Kat, at least that thread would've survived over on Sony and would've generated a lot of interest. It's a pity that Kira didn't post it on there too!

Of course it would of! Noone with sound mind would think of deleting it. Can you imagine Steen or Laurie doing that hahahah. If they did least you could ask and get a reasonable explanation why lol

It is a shame she didnt put it on sony.

It was a very valid point and one I hadnt thought of.

Kat
March 28th, 2005, 02:03 PM
twizzle

Well let us hope that she (or someone else) reposts it over on the Sony bbs. It can then generate the sort of discussion that it genuinely merited before it was childishly deleted over on the new, improved bbs! [img]graemlins/sure.gif[/img]
March 28th, 2005, 02:07 PM
Lainbrain

That seems like a very reasonable question to ask.

We only feature a small percent of the fans that like Darren and we represent a good collective of the kind of people that listen to him. They really should be listening to us to keep in touch of what the fan base is thinking about the music.

Maybe Darren isn't as driven as he use to be. He is in a comfort zone in the UK and Euorpe. Just a thought.
March 28th, 2005, 02:19 PM
Kattitude

Quote:

Originally posted by LainyB:
That seems like a very reasonable question to ask.

We only feature a small percent of the fans that like Darren and we represent a good collective of the kind of people that listen to him. They really should be listening to us to keep in touch of what the fan base is thinking about the music.

Maybe Darren isn't as driven as he use to be. He is in a comfort zone in the UK and Euorpe. Just a thought.

Ahh Lain we may have to delete that how dare you even suggest Darren isnt driven LOL

Yeah it was reasonable and who knows his reasonings these days. I just thought he would like to promote himself to the clubs. If thats not viable they can just say that. A good fan discussion about it never hurt anyone though.

Kat
March 28th, 2005, 02:23 PM
twizzle

Quote:

Originally posted by Kattitude:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by LainyB:
That seems like a very reasonable question to ask.

We only feature a small percent of the fans that like Darren and we represent a good collective of the kind of people that listen to him. They really should be listening to us to keep in touch of what the fan base is thinking about the music.

Maybe Darren isn't as driven as he use to be. He is in a comfort zone in the UK and Euorpe. Just a thought.

Ahh Lain we may have to delete that how dare you even suggest Darren isnt driven LOL

Kat<hr /></blockquote>OMG! *splutters* ROTFLMFAO! Kat, you make me die laughing, you really do!
March 28th, 2005, 03:49 PM
Lainbrain

LMAO

[img]graemlins/shhh.gif[/img] peretend I didn't say anything. [img]wink.gif[/img]

I hope someone poses this question on Sony.
March 28th, 2005, 06:13 PM
sharonlk

Here we go again. That's such a shame. I really don't know what to say any more, because I got the stuffing kicked out of me a couple of weeks ago and I honestly still feel so disenchanted with being a fan that at the moment I'm trying to steer clear of it all.

One thing that always struck me about Darren was how honest he was, sometimes too much so for his own good, and as you said Terry he is a man who has a lot to say and is very good at expressing himself. I know that it must have been hard during Spin for him to take in all the criticism from the fans, and yet in a way I think that he truly valued the honest opinions he received. After all, so much of TTATS is a reaction to the realisation of the things that the fans loved and respected him for in the past - his honest lyrics, passion for what he believed, and his ability to put into words what other people are thinking.

It seems a shame that now we are in a situation where that same honesty and passion that the fans have is called into question by the deletion of such an incongruous thread. And I'm very sorry that is the case. I think that man deserves better.

"I was too busy pleasing to ever be pleased. I forgot how to breathe, or question anything or ask why..." His words, not mine. I don't believe he would want a fanbase which thought he could do no wrong, as hard as that must have been to take in the past. Whenever he talks about the fanbase he always credits us with intelligence and honesty, and I would assume from that that those are the qualities he appreciates.

I don't understand...perhaps I've got to the stage where I don't even want to anymore. And probably the saddest part for me now is that it's starting to bother me less and less what is going on, good or bad. Maybe I just expect too much.

Sharon
March 28th, 2005, 11:39 PM
Laurina

It's been deleted? [img]frown.gif[/img]

That makes me very sad [img]frown.gif[/img]
March 29th, 2005, 01:57 AM
Dyan

Quote:

Originally posted by Kattitude:
It makes sense Dyan, and I completely agree. They just dont seem to realise it.

No, they don't realize it. AND that, in my opinion, may be the saddest part of this mess. That we (the "bad" fans and those cast out as being negative influences) believe that Darren's talent can stand on it's own, while those that "support" him and some who work for him can't seem to see it .......... geez, it makes me wonder if Darren realizes that his talent doesn't need forced positivity and "only happy" things.

The problem is that I stopped being able to keep Darren seperate from crap like this. I wish to hell that I could believe some of the things that I've read here ......... but then I remember that Tracey is his sister. He pratically lives with Leonie and Robert (considering how much time the three apparently spend together). And there are others involved that are close to him.........

Geez, his talent can stand on it's own. They don't need to sanitize everything. If nothing else, it makes for a jarring disconnect between intelligent music and the bland public image that seems to be emerging.
March 29th, 2005, 02:59 AM
Disco Biscuit

Just another reason why I don't go back there much any more. Other than the being on the wrong side of fluff, I find that forum slow and incredibly inefficient to use.

Someone should PM the thread starter and tell them that if they want to discuss it properly, take it over to Sony.

Heh, I think I'm in the "Twizzle Stage" - I don't give a "rats arse" anymore [img]wink.gif[/img]
March 29th, 2005, 03:48 AM
sunhawk

Quote:

Originally posted by Kattitude:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Twizzle:
Yep Kat, at least that thread would've survived over on Sony and would've generated a lot of interest. It's a pity that Kira didn't post it on there too!

Of course it would of! Noone with sound mind would think of deleting it. Can you imagine Steen or Laurie doing that hahahah. If they did least you could ask and get a reasonable explanation why lol
<hr /></blockquote>Oh no, Laurie and i are definitely all about spankings and no explanations [img]wink.gif[/img]
March 29th, 2005, 03:56 AM
Laurina

Spankings? Did someone say Spankings? [img]biggrin.gif[/img]
March 29th, 2005, 05:24 AM
sunhawk

Quote:

Originally posted by mlue:
Well...because I seem to see things differently (and saying this without having read the thread)...

But the first thing that popped in my mind is that it was deleted because they don't want the media reading it. Sometimes in the name of our open discussions, I think we can be a negative influence on his career without ever even knowing we are doing it.

Of course...I don't really know...but that was what popped in my head...lol probably because several interviews have ended up on my ipod and I have been listening to my ipod so much lately I keep hearing the interviews where the dj's keep talking about his fans & talking about popping in on the forums.

I can see the headlines now!

"HAYES FANS NOT JUST MORONS"

"DARREN GETS HONEST FEEDBACK"

"HAYES BBS A NEST OF DIFFERENT OPINIONS"

oh the horror!!! XD LOL
March 29th, 2005, 07:14 AM
Angelgirl

Also cannot see why that thread should have been deleted. All it was was a sensible discussion on something that could have benefited DH. [img]confused.gif[/img]

Perhaps it hit a nerve somwhere.

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