Some quotes from so called drum enthusiasts

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May 20th, 2005, 05:21 AM
Lee Collins

These are from another message board. I rounded up some of the best quotes in a thread about steve gadd. Lol, the kids today..

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I know several different drummers with more feel than Steve.
I just don't know where people started thinking this about him.

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Steve gadd is a great drummer but he's not as fun to watch as other drummers like Virgil,weckl,portnoy,chambers etc..Plus i hate the facial expressions he does sometimes.They really annoy me personally.

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he looks kinda stiff when he plays which i'm not too keen on...And he tends to repeat a lot of fills.

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If you look at drummers like John Bonham you will see that he is by far the most technical drummer ever

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I don't like Gadd's style of drumming at all. Feels very unmusical to me. However, that's just my opinion, and its obvious that he's very skilled, I just don't feel skill is the most important thing on a drumkit.

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i have a lot against Steve Gadd. He sucks man.. all his beats and fills are boring as shit. Horrible, I don't like his playing.

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If I played guitar like Gadd plays drums, I'd sound rather confused and pretentious. I just don't like the way he accents, its all over the place. Good for the drummers of the world, less good for everyone else.

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While players like Jeff Porcaro, Dave Weckl, Steve Gadd, Vinnie Colaiuta, Dom Famularo and so on are awesome players the records they make I find are totaly utter crap!
Seriously, toto were like the worst group ever!
May 20th, 2005, 06:04 AM
troutbrooke

Why did you feel the need to share such utter and obvious rubbish with us? There will always be people with opinions we don't agree with as well as people who are 'slightly' or grossly uninformed. Opinions and reality will often collide.
May 20th, 2005, 06:12 AM
Schreck

yes, funny the young kids.
thanks. It's interesting for me, to read.

are they just UNINFORMED and is this just RUBBISH ?
I don't agree at all.
it's THEIR oppinion.
It depends to the kind of view, what you think about Steve Gadd.
Do you think, I loved steve gadd during the times, I heard PUNK music ?
May 20th, 2005, 08:01 AM
donu

I guess they don't know Gadd was The inspiratory of Weckl and in my opinion Gadd still have Lot more feeling then Weckl ( even if i Love Weckl )

And who care what those guys think about Gadd ? [img]eek.gif[/img]

[ May 20, 2005 05:02 AM: Message edited by: donu ]
May 20th, 2005, 09:31 AM
Dazzler

Steve WHO??? [img]wink.gif[/img]
May 20th, 2005, 09:31 AM
Klemme

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Plus i hate the facial expressions he does sometimes.They really annoy me personally

LOL
May 20th, 2005, 10:57 AM
Lee Collins

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Originally posted by drumming sort of person:
Why did you feel the need to share such utter and obvious rubbish with us? There will always be people with opinions we don't agree with as well as people who are 'slightly' or grossly uninformed. Opinions and reality will often collide.

It's a light hearted thread about what a bunch of kids 'elsewhere from here' think about gadd. Yes, I think their comments are ignorant, and I also think,( and sorry to say this ), that if you don't like the thread, perhaps just dont post in it.

[ May 20, 2005 08:08 AM: Message edited by: Rudy_Ment ]
May 20th, 2005, 11:00 AM
skunkfunk

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Originally posted by Dazzler:
Steve WHO??? [img]wink.gif[/img]

Steve God [img]cool.gif[/img]
May 20th, 2005, 01:03 PM
Suspiria

Wow, opinions may differ but those are some very uneducated comments...That's why I am happy to here.

HOD for life! [img]cool.gif[/img]

[ May 20, 2005 10:03 AM: Message edited by: Suspiria ]
May 20th, 2005, 01:29 PM
funkycarnivore

It was even funnier when the one guy said that the drummer from Limp Bizkit has better feel.
May 20th, 2005, 02:00 PM
S.P

haha comments like that make me so happy to not be part of older forums and to be here

hod is cool!
May 20th, 2005, 02:00 PM
Suspiria

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Originally posted by the grove:
It was even funnier when the one guy said that the drummer from Limp Bizkit has better feel.

You mean the chubby ape of a human being? Please...They need a serious reality check. That comparison is so terrible it's no longer a matter of opinion.
May 20th, 2005, 02:21 PM
Randy walker

you'll find quite a few misguided quotes at drumsmith
May 20th, 2005, 02:27 PM
Lee Collins

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Originally posted by Randy Walker:
you'll find quite a few misguided quotes at drumsmith

Is that ron dunnetts site, randy?
May 21st, 2005, 01:42 AM
Clintuplet

I have to agree with one thing in one of the quotes: The record Famularo made is crap. Truthfully I didn't know he made a record. [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/smarty.gif[/img] [img]biggrin.gif[/img] [img]confused.gif[/img]
May 21st, 2005, 03:01 PM
Henry II

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Originally posted by drumming sort of person:
Why did you feel the need to share such utter and obvious rubbish with us? There will always be people with opinions we don't agree with as well as people who are 'slightly' or grossly uninformed. Opinions and reality will often collide.

Amusement factor!
May 21st, 2005, 05:29 PM
PocketPlayer

I love this stuff!

These are the arguments...

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If you look at drummers like John Bonham you will see that he is by far the most technical drummer ever

...I often hear waiting in line at the Spud before Virgil plays. I MUST record these conversations and post here. Serious fun! I even made HOD business cards to pass out...purely as an education endeavor of course...no pimping here [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Funny story...
Before CAB played one night, I was in line for a good 90 minutes (my buddy has to be in line first?obsessive nature I guess) and behind us were four 20-something guys.

Two of them started getting into the fastest drummer thing and after 30 minutes, these guys were arguing like a newlywed couple spending their first night in a camper with no water or electric connections.

They clearly both either drank or smacked the hippy grass before they got in line and got louder and louder. I had to break in, if for any other reason, these guys were violating my personal standing space and I hate whining arguments from guys!

I threw a really fast history lesson of drums and drummers and ran through about 15 names at very high speed. They couldn?t comprehend and just looked at me, with the proverbial deer in the headlights stare?only with red eyes!

This calmed them down until Virgil warmed up (you could hear the thumping when you stand in line) and then they just took off, ?WOW?doood?did you hear that? Oh man?that was faster than Peart OR Bonham?killer?I bet Travis couldn?t play that fast?

At this time, I ran across the street to get a burger at Carl?s Jr!

[ May 21, 2005 02:43 PM: Message edited by: PocketPlayer ]
May 21st, 2005, 07:25 PM
Suspiria

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Originally posted by PocketPlayer:
I even made HOD business cards to pass out...purely as an education endeavor of course...no pimping here [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

That's fantastic man! Spread the word and enlighten those poor sould that were in line with you [img]wink.gif[/img] But then again, lets not let the community get tooooo big.
May 21st, 2005, 07:52 PM
matricks

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May 22nd, 2005, 02:24 AM
S.P

haha yeah i always have fear in the back of my head that those kind of guys will invade our forum! but ofcourse, we got good old randy, derek and steve who will just delete them threads hopefully!
May 22nd, 2005, 07:47 AM
Andy Edwards

When I was kid I bought 'The Leprechaun' by Chick Corea from a junk shop!
When I got home I put it on and when 'Nite Sprite' came on I was shocked! I couldn't believe a human being could play drums like that.

Now, twenty odd years later kids of the same age just don't seem to get it.
Perhaps the cultural climate does to some extent affect how we percieve skill in a musical context.

To me someone like Mike Portnoy seems derivative, stiff and lacking character where as a lot of my students seem to love his playing, but Tony and Steve sound messy to them.

perhaps, as you get older, this also affects our definition of skill.

[ May 22, 2005 10:14 AM: Message edited by: Andy Edwards ]
May 22nd, 2005, 07:15 PM
got_a_matchgrip

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There will always be people with opinions we don't agree with as well as people who are 'slightly' or grossly uninformed. Opinions and reality will often collide.

TRUE, THAT.

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Do you think, I loved steve gadd during the times, I heard PUNK music ?

I too, in my NP craze-phase early on, once dissed both SG & SSmith...a GROSS err I shall NEVER forget, I later came to understand... [img]wink.gif[/img] I like the way sus puts it: "Wow, opinions may differ but those are some very uneducated comments...That's why I am happy to here...They need a serious reality check. That comparison is so terrible it's no longer a matter of opinion."

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them started getting into the fastest drummer thing and after 30 minutes, these guys were arguing like a newlywed couple spending their first night in a camper with no water or electric connections.

They clearly both either drank or smacked the hippy grass before they got in line and got louder and louder. I had to break in, if for any other reason, these guys were violating my personal standing space and I hate whining arguments from guys!

BLAH-HAAH-HAHAHAHAHAH!! PP, you throwin out some funny scat too nah', broeski! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

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the cultural climate does to some extent affect how we percieve skill in a musical context.
To me someone like Mike Portnoy seems derivative, stiff and lacking character where as a lot of my students seem to love his playing, but Tony and Steve sound messy to them. perhaps, as you get older, this also affects our definition of skill.

INDEED.
This thread & the responses are further proof that most youth is synomimous with unbridled energy, vitality, & the opins that emerge from such; but not so with regards to knowledgeable intelligence arrived via experience AWA acquired information over time, & understanding, as a result.
Altho they would prob argue with you about THAT, too. Heh heh. [img]wink.gif[/img]

[ May 22, 2005 04:18 PM: Message edited by: got_a_matchgrip? ]
May 22nd, 2005, 09:19 PM
matricks

Tad bit pretentious is the title of the topic.

It's not really news that not everyone thinks Steve Gadd is a hip drummer. The only news to me was that i thought everyone already knew that not everyone thinks that.
May 22nd, 2005, 09:29 PM
Andy Edwards

What is interesting is the subjective and ephemeral nature of musical ability.

Some people think Gadd is a musical genius and others don't; nobody and everybody is right ofcourse.

The only way we could measure how truly great a musician is would be to compare him with the absolute, perfect musician. (where do they live?)

(It comes down to the great curse of music...perfection!)

Is it not enough to say 'I really like Steve Gadd, but they don't' and leave it at that...?
May 22nd, 2005, 11:05 PM
got_a_matchgrip

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What is interesting is the subjective and ephemeral nature of musical ability. Some people think Gadd is a musical genius and others don't; nobody and everybody is right of course.
The only way we could measure how truly great a musician is would be to compare him with the absolute, perfect musician. (where do they live?)
(It comes down to the great curse of music...perfection!)
Is it not enough to say 'I really like Steve Gadd, but [someone else may not] and leave it at that...?

True, that would be most accurate.

First of all, if someone were to say 'Gadd cannot groove,' I would call that an opin, & a shaky, untrue one at best. [Actually, I would think that person had no idea what they were talking about. That may be my opin, but that doesn't mean it isn't true!] [img]tongue.gif[/img]

We could sit here all day & "do the dance," debating semantics, rhetoric, definitions of nouns or [ad]verbs [what is "groove," "musicality"], 'circular logic/reasoning,' personal philosophies, & this & that, but when it comes down to it there are true statements, AWA there are matters of opin, which may or may not be true.

Now, if someone were to say, "I don't prefer SG's way of grooving, or musical statements," or whatnot, then that's fine, & true to one's own.

But to make blanket statements about SG being a terrible drummer, or can't hold a groove, or isn't musical, or such trot, is just bogus, so I perfer to forget the mental 'hopscotch,' 'twister,' or 'hocus-pocus' in those situations. But I usually realize the person is just trotting out their own dubious haphazard opin,, anyway. [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]wink.gif[/img]

At any rate, my opin of a statement such as those would be that they were un-enlightened, AWA un-educated! [img]wink.gif[/img]

And that, as 'they' say, is JMO. ;c)

[Whether or not I'd be right, well...] ;cp

I'm filing this as text under what is was meant to be: [debatably,] "humor" [or perhaps, no?!] ;c)

"Wheels Spinnin' 'Round in Circles, Now..." [img]graemlins/music.gif[/img]

[ May 22, 2005 08:13 PM: Message edited by: got_a_matchgrip? ]
May 22nd, 2005, 11:15 PM
got_a_matchgrip

Sorry, 1 mo' thang...

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"Some quotes from so called drum enthusiasts"

Gee...I'm certainly glad they weren't from musicians... [img]wink.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img]
May 23rd, 2005, 01:15 AM
matricks

I just think it is silly make it a point of posting wacky comments of others and to be surprized that some people hold opinions that are 'interesting' in light of what is commonly held as being a standard of what is 'true'.

I am not surprized that people think Steve Gadd sucks... you wanna surprize me, show me the election numbers for last year's election for the President... now THAT still surprizes me.
May 24th, 2005, 01:05 AM
got_a_matchgrip

This topic should've been titled "Some quotes from so-called dumb enthusia**ed's" [sorry, i couldn't resist the pun[k'd]...

Meh...heh...heh heh...heh...ain't i the clever one. [img]graemlins/hmmm.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/sure.gif[/img]
May 24th, 2005, 04:45 AM
matricks

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