Are we the only weird ones?

Yesterday DD and I went to AGPNY for Elizabeth's premiere and came back without Elizabeth!!! [img]eek.gif[/img]
Neither of the two of us liked the doll enough to get her. Yes she is cute, but ELizabeth? She ain't!
DD (almost 9) kept on going back to: her hair and her eyes are wrong, her riding outfit is too pale, her meet dress is too pink, her ball dress is one piece... and so on, and so on...
A chip of the old block, she is!
I liked Elizabeth up to a point, but since finances are tight, we came back home with one outfit for Jose, and the idea of(may be) in the future ordering Lissie's and Elizabeth's tea dresses for Lissie. That is, if she can fit into them, which I doubt.
I would love to be able to adapt Elizabeth's earings for Lissie. I am a sucker for all things sparkly!
I thought the stable was a bit overpriced, and I have trouble justifying the price of the clothes press by looking at the very limited storage space it provides. They did not have the carriage, so I can not comment, but I wouldn't be able to get any of these big items without having to pitch a tent in the backyard (the house I am renting is dinky small!)
All in all: the show and the presentation by the costume historian were great, the munchies were yummy, and the goody bag was cute(an old Meet Felicity poster, a bookmark signed by the author and a replica? of Lissie's windmill) even though they were VERY tight with them (only one per girl, no adults, no excuses!)
We had a blast and , to the chagrin of Visa and Mastercard, came back with a lot less than I expected.
May be we ARE weird! [img]wink.gif[/img]
Ana [img]graemlins/wilted.gif[/img]

lol, you're not weird, just smart. You can't collect just for the sake of collecting, you have to get what you want, and what is within your reach! Congrats on not bankrupting yourself, I lack your gargantuan self-control.

Nope. I'm not planning on getting her either. She just isn't doing it for me. I already have Kailey and AGOT 21, both of whom have gorgeous blonde hair. And I also have Marisol, so I already have that face mold (which I think is much better suited to her, BTW). And the clothes press and carriage are sooo big. [img]eek.gif[/img] The use I'd get out of them isn't worth the hassle of storing them.

I will beef up my Lissie's wardrobe with some of Elizabeth's outfits, however. [img]tongue.gif[/img] And I may have to break down and get that bed. I'm a sucker for beds. Every dolly needs a place to sleep. [img]rolleyes.gif[/img]

Nope, you're not the only one. I was really unimpressed with the doll. I don't think she's a pretty doll at all. I might buy a few of her things for Lissie (especially that nightgown!), but I don't want the doll.

She doesn't look like the Elizabeth I grew up imagining. The Elizabeth I loved as a kid never dressed that way- and even if she is a foil to Lissie's tomboyishness- Elizabeth wasn't really a frou-frou type of girl either.

We won't buy buying her, especially after buying both Marisol and Felicity this year. It's Felicity who carries the stories for me and I think all of her things are nicer than Elizabeth's.

You're not alone. I am still trying to decide but think I am going to go the route of getting some of her things for DD's Lissie.

DD likes her though. I really want her to wait for Kit's movie and new items more than anything else.

If you're weird, so am I. [img]smile.gif[/img] I've gone back and forth on Elizabeth--no--yes--maybe--and now no. She's a pretty doll but she's not Elizabeth and I already have my own Gotz-made Elizabeth anyway who's lovely. I do like some of the clothes, especially Felicity's tea dress and I probably will get the carriage. I like pink so the riding habit is a possibility, ditto the tea set. I may also get the bedding for Elizabeth but definitely not a second bed. All in all, I'm just glad Felicity will be back in the catalog and have to hope there won't be anymore retirements.

I think Elizabeth is beautiful, but I also agree that she is not the "Real Elizabeth."

This is why that have so many dollies - not every single one will appeal to all.

I LIKE Elizabeth, but I'm not sure I like (or love) her enough to get her. She just doesn't look enough like the book Elizabeth to me, though she is a pretty doll. Mostly, I like her because she looks like me when I was in middle and high school, minus the curls. (My hair is much darker now) I like her meet dress, too, though I wish it were two pieces. (And I'd like to see her ball gown without the cape!)
Am I the only one wondering why Felicity didn't get a whole NEW meet dress, instead of a recycled dress from her collection?
If they wanted to be fancier, her new tea dress would have made a lovely new meet dress!
Hope I don't sound overly critical or "sour grapes", but this is my first chance to express my opinion of Elizabeth and all the new stuff.

I will not be getting Elizabeth. I just really don't like her. I don't like the blond hair and the pink dress but I could get past all that. It is the face mold that bothers me. I think it looks aweful on her. I am very very disappointed in this doll. I may be getting some of her dresses for Felicity and baby Polly is adorable. But I really don't like this doll.

We won't be getting Elizabeth either. When my DD found out they changed the hair and eye color, she just didn't want her at all anymore. (And she had been really excited about the idea, since Felicity is her favorite).

Did AG change all the book illustrations and descriptions for Elizabeth? I noticed the cover of the Felicity books changed.

In a few years, she will be the real Elizabeth and only those of us with old books will disagree. [img]frown.gif[/img]

Okay...call me crazy, call me weird, but I think Elizabeth looks more like an "Elizabeth" as a blonde. I'm probably biased though because I've never met a brunette Elizabeth, only blonde Elizabeth's. But even in my head...I can't really imagine a brown haired Elizabeth doll. I know, a little weird. [img]graemlins/hmmm.gif[/img]

I love this thread! I'm glad everyone is NOT jumping on the Elizabeth bandwagon. I agree about the change in her look--I'd like to find out how the design team at AG came up with a blond Elizabeth when all the books' illustrations had her as dark haired.

I actually did not plan on buying Elizabeth but my DD has been begging for Kailey since her birthday. I have not had success on ebay. And the AGOTs do not appeal to DD. For $100, I thought Elizabeth was a great deal and a wonderful surrogate Kailey. DD loves her pink and girly gown. Maybe if I find Kailey's accessories on ebay, Elizabeth can try her hand at (gulp) boogie boarding. How's that for a revolutionary babe?

AG changed Elizabeth's look from brown hair to blonde hair and blue eyes simply to distinct her look from Felicity...I also agree she would have looked too much Felicity.

I too am upset at the change in Elizabeth from a brunette to a blue-eyed blond, and thus this doll will never be Elizabeth to me. However, if I really liked the look of this doll I would consider buying her, changing her name and turning her into some other character. That being said, I am sad to say that I just flat out don't like this doll. It saddens me to say this because this is the first AG doll I didn't immediately look at and think, "I want her!" I have no desire to own her and probably never will...there is just something "off" about her to me. Something about the face mold and those random long curls hanging loose just looks weird to me. I'm very disappointed. [img]frown.gif[/img]

However, I do like a lot of the new clothes and I'd like to get some of Elizabeth's stuff for my Felicity. The poor girl has been neglected for so long, it's wonderful to see such a plethora of new items for her! [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]

Good! A post just for this!

I think the doll is lovely. She certainly isn't Elizabeth, though. I'm GOING to get her, and take her out of that totally ugly neon pink outfit as soon as she gets here. And then she will be a girl of today!

When the pictures of her first popped up, I thought she was lovely, and was going to get her even then.

I'm really not too dissapointed with them changing her looks. Ruthie will come out next year, and she will look very similar to what Elizabeth should look like. My Ruthie will serve the purpose of 2 dolls. I think most of us are forgetting that MANY little girls don't even know who Felicity is, much less have read her books, or know what her best friend looks like. I think it's a pity they couldn't release 2 Elizabeth's- one for little girls and one for those of us who KNOW Felicity's books.

But, again, I'm really not too mad about that. I'm mad at how EVERY SINGLE outfit has pink on it. Except Felicity's Riding Habit (which I already have, and really don't care for too much). There's pink on everything. I don't know when Elizabeth became the girliest girl this side of Samantha, but she sure did it fast. Even the blue tea dress has Pink on it. I think it's insane. Like I've been saying about them making Hermione wear ALL PINK ALL THE TIME in the Harry Potter movies, there ARE OTHER GIRLY COLORS than just pink. It's so stupid. And underestimating little girls. If I had a daughter, I'd feel offended that AG was pulling out all the stops to get pink into everything, just so little girls would WANT it. AG could have acchieved that same exact "I want it" with violet, indigo, peach, cerulean, more of that beautiful buttery yellow, etc.

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Am I the only one wondering why Felicity didn't get a whole NEW meet dress, instead of a recycled dress from her collection?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">AsianAG, I like to think they actually thought of the fans for once. The people who already have Felicity AND the Traveling Gown. Perhaps they just didn't want to complicate anything for us? Probably that's not it at all.

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AG changed Elizabeth's look from brown hair to blonde hair and blue eyes simply to distinct her look from Felicity...I also agree she would have looked too much Felicity.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, they did it so she would look distinct from Ruthie.

Does that mean they are making a Ruthie doll? [img]wink.gif[/img]

To quote a friend of mine, Joe Blitman, "Buy what you like."

I ordered "E". I have not read the Felicity books yet, so I haev nothing to compare her to as far as the character developement and descriptions in them. I do think that if they had made her with brown hair and eyes and with the original face sculpt, tht she would look far too much like that AGT tht was just released a year or two ago. IMO - I love the dress, with pink being my favorite color coupled with the fact tht it was a VERY popular color back then. I also LOVE the face sculpt that they chose to use.. it is my favorite. I get sick of seeing all the dolls with that same original face sculpt - only the hair and eyes signifying a difference in the dolls. Variety is nice. I would like to see them use Kaya's face on some other dolls. I would like to know what it would look like in a Caucasion version with either blonde or brown hair and bangs.. maybe a bobbed hair cut.. I would not be suprized if we see them using tht one in the near future.

I would like to see them make Ruthie with Kaya's face.. it would look like the pic of Ruthie in the front of the books, which is how I envision her when reading them.

<font color="#051E50" size="1">[ August 02, 2005 07:16 PM: Message edited by: GillyGals ]</font>

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Originally posted by cami713:
I think it's a pity they couldn't release 2 Elizabeth's- one for little girls and one for those of us who KNOW Felicity's books.

I think that would have been a bit much...2 Elizabeths? I don't think AG would even bother with that.


</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> AG changed Elizabeth's look from brown hair to blonde hair and blue eyes simply to distinct her look from Felicity...I also agree she would have looked too much Felicity.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, they did it so she would look distinct from Ruthie.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This is not true, I contacted AG asking the reason for the change and they told me specifically because they wanted to make her look different from ELizabeth.

She wouldn't have looked very similar to Felicity. Elizabeth should have had brown hair and brown eyes- I don't see how they think that is too similar to red hair and green eyes.

<font color="#051E50" size="1">[ August 02, 2005 07:29 PM: Message edited by: dolllover ]</font>

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This is not true, I contacted AG asking the reason for the change and they told me specifically because they wanted to make her look different from ELizabeth.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Someone here who was in the know, I think it was NellieGirl said they told her the change was to make Elizabeth different from Ruthie, who they think they will sell more of because Kit is far more popular than Felicity is.

This makes FAR more sense. If they'd wanted to make sure Felicity and Elizabeth looked different, it would have been easier to just change Felicity's hair color.

I think the line about changing her to look less like Felicity is just the line they give people to sound better.

I don't believe that they would actually think Elizabeth would look too much like Felicity if they hadn't changed her.

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Originally posted by cami713:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> AG changed Elizabeth's look from brown hair to blonde hair and blue eyes simply to distinct her look from Felicity...I also agree she would have looked too much Felicity.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, they did it so she would look distinct from Ruthie.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">OK, well, that in my opinion holds no water either.

Because now she looks like Nellie. And not in the way Marisol looks like Nellie, or even in the way Josefina looks like Marisol (b/c there are two different skin tones involved there). The more I look at her, the more I think - Nellie.

Give Elizabeth and Ruthie two different face molds, and you have two different dolls. So I wonder about that, too. I don't doubt that someone in the know told you that, I just wonder about the logic behind it.

ETA: you'd think they'd give each of the friends a different face mold. Because I KNOW what my father would've said (and what DH will say if I ask for her as a gift): "She looks just like that other doll you've got". I'd think some daddies would be reluctant to agree to another doll that looks just like the last one they just shelled out $100 for.

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OK, well, that in my opinion holds no water either.
Because now she looks like Nellie. And not in the way Marisol looks like Nellie, or even in the way Josefina looks like Marisol (b/c there are two different skin tones involved there). The more I look at her, the more I think - Nellie.

Give Elizabeth and Ruthie two different face molds, and you have two different dolls. So I wonder about that, too. I don't doubt that someone in the know told you that, I just wonder about the logic behind it.

ETA: you'd think they'd give each of the friends a different face mold. Because I KNOW what my father would've said (and what DH will say if I ask for her as a gift): "She looks just like that other doll you've got". I'd think some daddies would be reluctant to agree to another doll that looks just like the last one they just shelled out $100 for.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I agree that now she looks a bit too much like Nellie. Sad how fast they've over used that face mold. It was SO unique when Josefina has it, now it's on 4 dolls. As far as historicals go, it's nearly as over used as the original mold is now. Obviously there aren't as many, but the novelty of a "different" face has worn off very fast!

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For $100, I thought Elizabeth was a great deal and a wonderful surrogate Kailey. DD loves her pink and girly gown. Maybe if I find Kailey's accessories on ebay, Elizabeth can try her hand at (gulp) boogie boarding. How's that for a revolutionary babe?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Funny that you want to use Elizabeth as Kailey, becuase I was just thinking to myself, "what if I just use Kailey as Elizabeth?"

Take out her side braids, and least she doesn't have the bangs, pull her hair into that soft pony, put on a colonial dress, and voila! She's the "new" Elizabeth!

I've been saying that I wanted to hold off on E till Diana's birthday, but maybe I won't even get her. I KNOW I'll be getting lots of things from her collection, as well as new items for our Felicity.

Laurie

Nope, you're not at all alone. I just got off the phone with Ingrid, and I passed on Elizabeth. I can't stomach the color of the dress, but will reserve a "no-way-no-how" judgement until I see her in person. I *did* order some of her outfits for Felicity. (And Felicity's riding outfit, Noah's ark and mini Elizabeth.)
The countdown to Sept 1 begins!

I agree completely. I think Elizabeth is pretty, but if I ever got her, she would be re-named Abigail. But I dont have the space for another doll while Im living at home anyway, so I wont be losing any sleep over it. Down the road though, I would like to have some form of Elizabeth and will probably rewig some brown-eyed doll to get her. I liked about half of the new stuff. And Im really worried about these new dresses fitting Lissie. Which is a crock if I ever heard one. I dont expect all these dolls to be the exact same size, but to create such a vast differance (which probably came down to cost, making the dolls smaller would be less money on plastic, stuffing and cloth) that old dolls cant wear new clothes is ******* ridiculous. [img]mad.gif[/img]

I didn't get Elizabeth either but that's mainly because I ordered her from my PS.

i am not getting Elizabeth either, she is pretty, but she is NOT elizabeth. Elizabeth has dark brown hair and brown eyes. Even if AG changes her in the books and stuff, she still wont be Elizabeth (did that make ANY sense?)
I like alot of her stuff though...but her riding habit is VERY impractrical (i would have gotton it if it was blue) I'll probebly get some of her clothes and her doll for a doll that i will make into elizabeth.
And I'm sorta glad i dont like some of the stuff, cause if i did....i would go broke!

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Originally posted by wildpony:
i am not getting Elizabeth either, she is pretty, but she is NOT elizabeth. Elizabeth has dark brown hair and brown eyes. Even if AG changes her in the books and stuff, she still wont be Elizabeth (did that make ANY sense?)
I like alot of her stuff though...but her riding habit is VERY impractrical (i would have gotton it if it was blue) I'll probebly get some of her clothes and her doll for a doll that i will make into elizabeth.
And I'm sorta glad i dont like some of the stuff, cause if i did....i would go broke!

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, that did make sense [img]wink.gif[/img] The true character of Elizabeth will always be a dark brunnette with big doe eyes. And I agree with other comment someone else made. While Elizabeth is certainly wealthier and not as tom-boyish as Felicity, shes not a prissy girl either.

Well my dd is so upset by the change in Elizabeth she almost cried. We have been excited about her getting here since we knew last year. We saw a promo of her and said "no" that can't be Elizabeth. My dd still held out hope but to no avail. [img]frown.gif[/img] We are very loyal to AG and feel they have let us down. Now my dd will not have Elizabeth after all. It is very sad in our household. The movie isn't even exciting because we won't be looking forward to Elizabeth for Christmas like we were Nellie last year.


If the reason is they would look so similar than are they teaching girls that their best friends should not look similar to them.

Lea

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