I dont know what to say really,this is really his new single??omg [img]eek.gif[/img] check it out for yourselves.
http://www.scrueyou.com/00/good_times512.wmv
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I dont know what to say really,this is really his new single??omg [img]eek.gif[/img] check it out for yourselves.
http://www.scrueyou.com/00/good_times512.wmv
Its quite tuneful, certainly a departure from Methods of Mayhem. I wouldn't buy it as its aiming for commercial airplay and it will probably get a bit too as its similar to a lot of stuff out there just now. I'd rather forget the video.
It's come back to me now, its a rip off of Teenage Dirtbag by Wheatus!
I didn't mind it. Sounded ok to me. I've heard a lot worse.
Definetly better than the MOM stuff!
Yes, I agree with Ant. I know I am going to upset lots of people with this but Motely Crue
(and I do love em) are not the F**king musos they think they are. Tommy Lee IS a natural drummer but he's not Trent Rezor as he seems to think. Crue just walked the walk. They looked bad ass, acted even badder, and Nikki Sixx is smart enough to know the value of the press. As the saying goes, If you can't fight, wear a big hat' If you took away the bad boy legend and the look they would just be another average 80s LA Glam band.
Sorry.
Fucking horrible. Trite, mediocre, insipid, faux-
rock cobblers. There's more balls in ex-Westlife
ponce, Bryan's music.
D.
Trite is so correct. I was watching Nikki on some programme talking about his bass technique and style. ??? He is a bog standard plectrum flicking 4-4 merchant. He has no signature style or sound. Mick Mars talks like he's the lost son of Muddy Waters, constantly pontificating about his unique take on the blues and how he's applied it to Crue. What are you talking about you mad old man?
Crue are entertainers and on that level theyre great.
I am a little surprised nobody else has made the obvious comment. Tommy seems to be chasing the Butch Walker style right now. I would be quite surprised if this wasn't done with some help from Butch, or at the very least, after Tommy listened to a TON of Butch.
Is it as good? Hell no. But there is no doubt, this is all Butch style.
What you talking about, its horrible
Bands like the Sex Pistols and New York Dolls matter a hell of a lot more than Dream Theatre for example.
just got home from work and had another listen...phew ,still crap.It doesnt sound like any band Tommy ever quotes as influences,it still sounds like,something to get on the current chart band wagon,is he really passionate about making this shite?Is it from the soul I dont think so,probably doesnt help that the guy is so fickle about everything he does anyway,always on the look out for better when he already has the best.That said good luck to the guy if it is really what he wants from his music,but please let him put a warning out before idiots like me listen to it in the vain hope that it ROCKS.
<font size="4" face="Arial">But a band like Led Zep mattered a hell of a lot more than either of those bands, as did The Beatles.Quote:
Originally posted by Raiven:
Bands like the Sex Pistols and New York Dolls matter a hell of a lot more than Dream Theatre for example.
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Oh, and I would argue a whole heck of alot about how much NY Dolls mattered in the history of music. I love 'em, but not many knew who the hell they were. They weren't exactly selling out stadiums.
<font color="#FF0000" size="1">[ August 03, 2005 02:25 PM: Message edited by: Carl I. ]</font>
<font size="4" face="Arial">John Lydon is married to Nora Forster, a media heiress who was the GF of both Jimi Hendrix(meandering axe jams!) and Chris Spedding(long time session player!). His "anarchy" bullshit resolved itself into its natural conclusion, that of bourgeous individualism. The Pistols' album was played by session players, with the possible exception of Jones. The Pistols were useless. Think of Lydon as another Pat Buchanan.Quote:
Originally posted by Raiven:
Bands like the Sex Pistols and New York Dolls matter a hell of a lot more than Dream Theatre for example.
As for The Dolls, when they started involving themselves with the CBGBs crowd was when they started deteriorating. Anyone who bought into the punk worship of anarchy, tunelessness, and degradation including heroin, deserved exactly what they got, including death. If the Dolls had been able to cobble together that third LP without being involved with punk, they may have actually broken the way a lot of similar bands did, from their Mid-Western fanbase first and then throughout the country.
Frankly, Dream Theatre, athough not my cuppa, is far more relevant than some two-bit noise merchant who has to rely on the gutter press to promote them.(NME...PUNK...)
There is a classic Jay post! [img]biggrin.gif[/img]
Where is the link man? Still waiting.
Carl, I was thinking the exact same thing! I'd say I'm better when I'm not even giving a shit who I might offend, although that was not the reason for the post.
Link? Sausage? Mod Squad? Evolution Revolution?
Ok, so Crue not just another 80s glam band. Better than average but still not anything approaching brillinant.
<font size="4" face="Arial">Board.Quote:
Originally posted by JayForSure:
Link? Sausage? Mod Squad? Evolution Revolution?
<font size="4" face="Arial">Crue shot their shot with TFFL. The best thing they ever did, Looks That Kill, was from that era even though it was recorded on SATD.Quote:
Originally posted by IH Rich Rags:
Ok, so Crue not just another 80s glam band. Better than average but still not anything approaching brillinant.
I've got a copy of the album, and it's the wettest thing i've ever heard. Tommy sounds like he's trying to sing like Busted doing a ballad. It's actually fucking terrible.
My girlfriends likes it. says it sounds like surf music. i think it sounds like bullshit that would go on the O.C. tv show during an 'emotional' moment.
It's total pop tripe! enough to make me mad.
The only reason Crue ever split from Tommy or Vince left, is becuase Tommy wanted to be more than the hair band they were. And he's still not grounded. I'm all for doing other stuff, but where's the nuts?? couldnt he just do a really cool bluesy ballad album like Tyla or something instead?
Ginger dabs his hand in alsorts of stuff (clam abuse, silver ginger 5, etc) and it works.
Tommy is just wrong.
I hate Butch Walker and I'm not a fan of this at all.
There should be something in Motley Crue members contracts that say only Vince Neil is allowed to do solo work. LOL
And as far as Motley being just another L.A. Glam Band if it wasn't for the image.. I'd have to disagree.
If I was blind I would still enjoy Motley Crue's albums a hell of alot more than everything that followed the Crue (Poison, etc)
No they aren't the greatest musicians in the world.. never claimed to be, but when did that ever matter in real music?.. I'd rather have something with soul than something that is 100% tecnically spot on.
<font color="#FF0000" size="1">[ August 03, 2005 12:21 PM: Message edited by: Raiven ]</font>
<font size="4" face="Arial">Ummm, depends on what your idea of "real music" is. In many forms of "real music", being a great musician is all it's about. Chet Atkins wouldn't have been the legend he is if he wasn't a great musician.Quote:
Originally posted by Raiven:
No they aren't the greatest musicians in the world.. never claimed to be, but when did that ever matter in real music?..
<font color="#FF0000"><font size="1">[ August 03, 2005 12:21 PM: Message edited by: Raiven ]</font></font>
That is a very sound analogy. There is also another point that seems to be prevelent when you read back through these posts. Re The Pistols. Regardless of whether they played on the album Lydon defo, Jones defo, Cook dunno, and I though Glen Matlock was still in the band when the album was actually cut. If that is true then he definitely played on it as he was a solid bass player. If Sid was already present by then, probably not. However the thing that defines the Pistols sound is Lydons voice (who else sounds like him) and Jonesys guitar sound. Any pair of half decent numptys could have whacked along on the bass and drums.
I think it is fair to say that you can be influential, even a legend without being great.
I think Crue prove that by the simple fact that they are still here and still loved.
The Pistols were not great musicians either, but they are still loved and certainly a bigger and more infulential legend in the history of rock music.
My intital point on this thread was that ceratin memebers of Crue get above their station when it comes to their musical competence. TL is not Dave Grohl or Trent Reznor and Nikki Sixx is about as bog standard as it gets. What they were, was a couple of handsome charismatic Muthafuckers who made up for in charm what they lacked in ability. Nothing wrong with that just so long as you know it yourself. And there in lies the problem.
Carl my friend. I would argue right back at you how wrong you are about this statement. While you are correct that not many "average joes" knew who the Dolls were, many aspiring musicians did. Many aspiring punks who saw them play in the UK before punk broke there. Steve Jones admitted he copped every move he had from Johnny Thunders. So when you insuate that the Dolls really didn't matter in the history of music, I feel that statement is a gross injustice to a band that help start a whole movement. Not to mention they were wildly ahead of their time image wise. Just because a band is not widely well known does not discount their importance in musics history.
For the record. Glen Matlock did not play bass on "Never Mind The Bollocks" Steve Jones did. Watch the Classic Albums DVD. On that disc it gives you all the details that are commonly mistaken in the public domain.
As for Tommy Lee. I think he's a great drummer in an average band with a bad ass image. I give him props for continuing to do what he wants to do. At least he's not like a lot of musicians from his era who just faded into oblivion or who are playing county fairs for the hundreth time. The song is okay for what it is "a pop song" and I know he worked with Butch Walker on one or two songs for his new CD.
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Oh, and I would argue a whole heck of alot about how much NY Dolls mattered in the history of music. I love 'em, but not many knew who the hell they were. They weren't exactly selling out stadiums.
<font size="4" face="Arial">Good to see someone else said the song was just OK.Quote:
As for Tommy Lee. I think he's a great drummer in an average band with a bad ass image. I give him props for continuing to do what he wants to do. At least he's not like a lot of musicians from his era who just faded into oblivion or who are playing county fairs for the hundreth time. The song is okay for what it is "a pop song" and I know he worked with Butch Walker on one or two songs for his new CD.
Sandy, I'll go along with you on that. But I am not so sure how irrelevant Dream Theater is. They helped to keep a certain style of music alive for a good many years there, Progressive Rock, and are probably the biggest band in that genre still working today. Did they inspire as many musicians? Directly, I would say more. Through the pipeline? No.
Andy McCoy is mentioned up there in comparison to Malmsteen. Well, Andy might not be able to play Classical as well, but Andy is hardly a slouch on guitar. In fact, the man is a REALLY good guitarist.
My main problem though is the train of thought that "good music isn't about talent", which is all wrong. It depends on what the music is, and talent does not take away from music. More bands with a TON of talent have effected the music world than no-talent hacks have.
Not listened to the song yet, if it's shit I will say it's shit. As for Tommy Lee he revolutionised the way drummers played drums and launched a million Tommy wannabe's myself included, I absolutely loved the way he played, all the tricks and the upfront style, I saw him and thought thats the way to go, why should singers and guitarists have all the attention. It's about entertainment and how can we start to analyse Motley Crue twenty odd years on, they had the right ingredients at the right time and we all fuckin loved it.
<font size="4" face="Arial">I actually hated them, and still do. But we are all here to talk about tunes, so I say let's keep analysing the heck out of them.Quote:
Originally posted by Bedlam:
...we all fuckin loved it.
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I do think everybody here is being WAY unfair to this tune though. After what Sandy said, I have no doubt that this was done with Butch or under his influence. It sounds too damn much like him to NOT be Butch.
This is apparently a glam rock site and I will freely admit that that their are not many musicians from that genre who have obviously not endeared themselves to you or anyone else that is looking for musical excellence, but seriously it wasn't about that. Lets face it Chet atkin's in Motley Crue? I think not..
But Tyla claims Chet to being a big influence, even played a Chet Gretsch for many years.
Many people here LOVE White Lion, and the song "Wait" created many guitarists in itself.
Van Halen is embraced by the Glam community, and Eddie could KIND OF play.
The 80's were full of flashy guitarists in so-called "Glam Bands". Mick Mars was not one of them though. Decent at best.
I only used Chet as an example of somebody who plays music beloved by MANY Rock and Roll guys, and yet whose entire play depended on his amazing skill on the guitar. Since the statement was "since when did talent have anything to do with REAL MUSIC". Many consider him to be the greatest that ever lived, and very few who play would argue that.
OK, think about this. How many guys in your town are great mucisians? probably lots. How many guys have that X factor rock star vibe?
The second group are usually not in the first group. Making it as a Rock star has very little to do with being a good musician. If you are hungry enough you will become a better musician. You cannot fake Charisma. Motely Crue. I rest my case.
<font color="#FF0000"><font size="1">[ August 04, 2005 10:59 AM: Message edited by: IH Rich Rags ]</font></font>
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<font size="4" face="Arial">Now we are fooling ourselves if we believe that either one has anything to do with success. It all boils down to that ol' "right time, right place, who ya know" factor.Quote:
Originally posted by IH Rich Rags:
OK, think about this. How many guys in your town are great mucisians?
You cannot fake Charisma. Motely Crue. I rest my case.
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I wouldn't say they have "charisma", as they had a "gimmick" that worked at the time.
Again, Van Halen, one of the biggest bands EVER. Roth was a brilliant front man, back by a brilliant bunch of musicians.
As Sandy commented though, Tommy Lee has always been held in high respects as far as his playing ability. In fact, he is considered one of the best drummers in his field. There is no doubt he is the most talented "player" in that band. Nikki has the talent in the writing.
Quite simply, a band from that era could not succeed without some talent. Now days? Yes. It's all tricks. Back then, they relied on their abilities and their gimmicks. It was a package deal.
But even today, you will not have a band walk on stage, look great, get the audience laughing, and then start to play in a way a 2 week guitar student would play, and then have them signed.
I guess I just get tired of seeing people being willing to let their music be dumbed down. The whole attitude of "you don't need talent to be good" is silly, and only leads itself back to the question of "do you listen to the music for the music, or for the way the band looks?".
I sat online "conversing" with Buttz a few years ago, before I had heard LOTTI, and he told me of how that band was terrible and had no talents. I was expecting pure piss. Then I got ahold of the album. I was shocked. The dang band had a TON of talent. Now knowing him (as well as I could through a message board and a handful of emails), I know how self-depracating he is, and how it is all a joke. But at the same time, it comes back to too many of us looking past our own musics real talents and skills, and suddenly accepting too many bands, because after all, what does talent matter?
I've seen bands praised on this site because we are starving for band. But the band that are getting praised are TERRIBLE, and should not be bands that "lead the scene". I would rather see Glam die a painful death than be turned over to the no-talent crap that is out there now.
Man, did I run off course. I just don't understand why we would ever say "Real Music doesn't need talent". My ass it doesn't. Then lets all go out and buy friggin' Psychic TV shit.
Oh, and it's not uncommon for a label to sign a band, and then have them kick out a member who isn't a strong enough musician.
<font color="#FF0000" size="1">[ August 04, 2005 11:28 AM: Message edited by: Carl I. ]</font>
<font size="4" face="Arial">More Relevant to who? I guarantee a lot more musicians are influenced by Sex Pistols than they are Dream Theatre... The Sex Pistols defined a generation.. Dream Theatre define a bunch of geeks who can?t get laid (No offence to Dream Theatre).Quote:
Originally posted by JayForSure:
Frankly, Dream Theatre, athough not my cuppa, is far more relevant than some two-bit noise merchant who has to rely on the gutter press to promote them.(NME...PUNK...)
I guess the point is, I?d prefer to listen to somebody like Andy McCoy or Johnny Thunders apposed to Yngwie Malmsteen.
Carl, here' the tracklisting and featured performers. Butch Walker comparison is spot on.
Oh and for the right place and time thing, I always think of Love Hate, I thought they were a killer band when they first came out but only the Brits seemed to realize that until they got dropped and faded into obscurity.
As for the talent thing. You know I watched this Paul Westerberg DVD a month ago. The guy isn't the greatest guitarist but he writes some really killer songs. I was in a band briefly with a guy who was an average guitarist, but he wrote the some of the coolest stonesy type songs I've ever heard. Unfortunately he died suddenly before most of the tunes were recorded . I've always wanted to redo a few of them and still might in the future just for fun and respect.
"Tommyland: The Ride" track listing:
01. Good Times (feat. Butch Walker)
02. Hello Again (feat. Andrew McMahon of SOMETHING CORPORATE)
03. Tryin' to be Me (feat. Chad Kroeger of NICKELBACK)
04. Sister Mary (feat. Carl Bell of FUEL)
05. The Butler
06. Tired (feat. Joel Madden of GOOD CHARLOTTE)
07. I Need You (feat. Andrew McMahon of SOMETHING CORPORATE)
08. Make Believe
09. Makin' Me Crazy (feat. Dirty Harry)
10. Watch You Lose
11. Say Goodbye (feat. Nick Carter of BACKSTREET BOYS)
12. Hello Again (acoustic)
<font color="#FF0000" size="1">[ August 04, 2005 05:32 PM: Message edited by: Hazardous ]</font>
Is this album out in the States?
The only artist I don't consider a joke that is guesting on Tommy Lee's album is Dirty Harry.. if that is the female Dirty Harry from the UK.
I love Motley Crue and Tommy seems like a cool guy.. but WTH?!? Collaborating with the Backstreet Boys, Good Charlotte and Nickleback? That is sickening.
Some interesting points. At no point I am saying that you can get by without any skill as a player. Continuing to use Crue as the example here, if you have read the Dirt, Nikki Sixx, Tommy. and MM all make it absolutely clear that they were still lacking the spark to ignite the fire until Vince joined. I am just of the opinion that chemistry is a more powerful ingridient to a band than great mucisianship. Furthermore, the Dirt leaves you in no doubt as to Vince Neils agenda. VN wanted to be a star and shag as many women as he could. Fair play to him. He has never pretended to be much more than a horny old beach bum with a fair pair of lungs on him. Look what happened when Corabi joined. The Scream were a far more accomplished set of musicians than Crue and Corabi is technically a far better singer than Vince. He's also far more versatile guitarist than MM. He has a much bigger range and a much richer and soulful voice.
However, all these technical attributes add up to squat. The fact remains that, despite Crue's constant attempts of convice themselves, the chemistry was just that bit off. Coarabi was just too in awe for the fact that he was now in MC, plus he was left in no doubt that he was a hired gun and not a real member. Mick ends up playing half the guitar parts becuase Tommy, Nikki & The producer thought Corabi was a better player than Mick. Mick now dispondent and feeling like a foreskin at a bamitzvah. The end result was a very competent album that no one bought. The fans could not really accept Corabi (and Guitar) as a Crue front man and the wheels fell off the band. Re Enter Vince and the magic was back again. I still think that the X factor is all important. Without it you are just a bunch of guys who can play (maybe brilliantly) There are f**king millions of those about but not everyone has that X.
And in reference to LOTTI. I saw them shit loads of times over the years and, despite Buttz's self depreciation, (That's a first) the reason everyone loved them was becuase they had mountains of presonality and charisma. Fat Boy was the ring master of this mad burlesque circus. Hovis, Shuff, Dave who cant Behave, Salvador darlek, Vom, The Incedible Drinking man, Billy thre Willy! It was glam rock variety show!
You only have to read his posts on here to realize Buttz could have been a comedian. He was (and remains) an entertainer. That is why people loved LOTTI. Fuck musicianship. it was just good simple pop tunes and a great show.
<font color="#FF0000" size="1">[ August 05, 2005 02:55 AM: Message edited by: IH Rich Rags ]</font>
Ian I agree with all you say above and think also the x-factor is the thing that makes it.
When I was with my last band, It was not about musicianship as we were all mediocre, but when we played together we were entertaining and sounded good as a unit. But we were never that good, that we were ever gonna get anywhere, but it was fun while it lasted. [img]biggrin.gif[/img]
Carl has made some great comments.
OK, there were a bunch of local bands in my area that got signed right after the big Grunge era took off
Stick- Before they were signed to Arista they were told to ditch there female lead singer. That is why they got signed.
Kill Creek- A band that should have made it but never did
Paw- The Grunge wanna be's that started it all.
And i'm going just by Lawrence, KS bands. Not even touching KC bands. I'm sure i'm missing a lot of bands in the area that should have made it but didn't. Right now the band from are area is Puddle of Mudd. ICK
Andy, Ginger is another great example. Ginger is a pretty decent guitar player. He is certainly no slouch but The Wildhearts are loved by alot of people becuase they are a great live band and write great songs. Without great songs you are just a musician.
Up in Yorkshie we had a local guitarist who was widley touted as the 'best guitarist in town' He worked in a local music store and on a saturday afternoon he would sit there surrounded by hordes of oiky little metalheads showing off his fret-tapping and pentatonic scales and all that bollocks. He could play everything like the record. Anything by Van Halen Ywigie, Frank Marino, you name it. And could he write a song? Could he fuck! Plays in a club band knocking out Cher songs.