I'm sorry but this is terrible and unmusical.
http://www.pearldrum.com/reftou-mangini-med.htm
shouldn't he be wearing one white glove while he's playing?
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I'm sorry but this is terrible and unmusical.
http://www.pearldrum.com/reftou-mangini-med.htm
shouldn't he be wearing one white glove while he's playing?
I respect the technique he's aquired over many years of practice but, he just doesn't do anything for me.
I saw him at the 'Montreal Drumfest' and i walked out after 20 minutes, his solo was repetitive and unmusical. Sounded like a lot of masturbation to me, sorry.
Was he playing castenets with his feet?
Had to watch this one to get the taste out of my ears....
mangini cure
Kudos for mangini's chops...but jeez, how 'bout play some d@mn music?
-Scott
Mr Mangini is a sweet adorable wonderful wonderful gentleman. Please my wonderful percussive sweet people say sweet nice things about Mr Mangini
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LMAO. That's the "death metal" bass drum spank.Quote:
Originally posted by Andy Vermiglio:
Was he playing castenets with his feet?
LMAOVL
Wow, those drums sound like POO! I've heard better tin cans! And these are the new Pearls!?
Mike is a great guy and VERY good at what he does, but I agree - lacking musicality, unless he is playing flight of the bumblebee which is pretty amazing (on his site). His clinics and solos are 98% technical demonstrations.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I heard the same rumors about him. [img]wink.gif[/img] The pink bandanas are a dead givaway. LMAO!Quote:
Originally posted by AnnD:
Mr Mangini is a sweet adorable wonderful wonderful gentleman. Please my wonderful percussive sweet people say sweet nice things about Mr Mangini
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ July 14, 2005 12:01 AM: Message edited by: Henry II ]</font>
Mike is a kind, thoughtful guy and one of the most skilled drummers alive. He sets a benchmark for polyrhythmic control, speed and interdependence. He just may not be your idea of what musical is.
Go out and buy THEIR music and the other albums which they are on(Virg, Lang, Mangini and Minneman) and then you will find where the differences are.
Go out and buy THEIR music and the other albums which they are on(Virg, Lang, Mangini and Minneman) and then you will find where the differences are.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">wow, you MUST be kidding me.Quote:
Originally posted by Rodge:
But where is the difference here between him, Donati, Minenman, Lang ?
But I like Thomas Lang anyway...
I've got a question...
Why would Pearl put such a shitty sounding video on thir site? Their trying to sell the "sound" of their drums...so why not get a better mix? The video camera mic audio is an insult. It's not that hard to set up a pair of mics and sync the audio to video later. 12 year olds can do that now. Sheesh!
Originally Posted by Rodge
But where is the difference here between him, Donati, Minenman, Lang ?
Please don't compare 'Virg' and 'Marco' to 'MM'...
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<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ July 14, 2005 03:05 PM: Message edited by: Blue Tav ]</font>
It's the first time I see/hear Mangini. And I don't want to completely judge the guy by this clip...but I just wonder what is he trying to do in this solo?
This sounds like raw rock soloing chops, but maybe he's doing more complicated stuff than I perceive...(stick in the mouth?)
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">wow, you MUST be kidding me.[/QB][/QUOTE]Quote:
Originally posted by shedder:
Hey Shedder,
Yeah I like how Thomas play on his album "Mediator", I will post some track if you want, you will be surprised...
Also I must admit that when I know the person, my opinion can to change, otherwise when I hear all these incredible drummers, I just hear some noise like in some big factory...
Just my opinion, no offense to everyone who could be fans of one of these drummers, I have a lot of respect for all the incredible work done.
And as drummer I'm really nothing compare to them.
But as for Thomas is a sweet cat, it means a lot for me.
But you know, taste and color...
All right.
The first part of that, he was
showing off his one-handed roll,
which you all can do, with just
a little bit of practice.
He likes to show off his physical
ability. Sometimes, this is not
received as 'musical'. I can und-
erstand it.
V is right. He is remarkable. He
just may not be everyone's cup of
tea - compositionally and I inc-
lude myself in that camp.
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<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ July 14, 2005 03:19 PM: Message edited by: peter c ]</font>
Mike Mangini = Muscle, not Musical.
BUT - I do have some tracks he played on with James Labrie and Nuno Bettencourt/Extreme that are leaning towards the musical side... so I think my conclusion is that I much prefer him in a band setting, where he is forced to be somewhat musical - not a solo drum setting where he is forcing himself to be purely technical. Like I said, he sure is good at what he does!
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Coulcn't agree more Rodge. I can understand a 14 year old kid loving what Mangini is doing, but this stuff is just that, adolescent.Quote:
Also I must admit that when I know the person, my opinion can to change, otherwise when I hear all these incredible drummers, I just hear some noise like in some big factory...
Billy Cobham did this stuff thirty years ago but musically and MUCH more physical and violent, more BALLS. I can listen a BC solo even now and even though he goes for it, it's not as half assed as Mangini's solo.
Mike obviously digs himself.
Benrand,
Billy was something! I remember
seeing the splinters cloud him,
like a halo!! Destructive power!
When I see film of him, back then,
even today, I am in awe.
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<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ July 14, 2005 05:02 PM: Message edited by: peter c ]</font>
...Well, I guess MM's-MaMa spanked him plenty ["Get cherazz in there n practice!"] [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]wink.gif[/img]
But seriously, he comes from the ultra-mod-contempo world of studio-perfection & DMs [drum-machines], AWA poly-rhythm/ostinato/technq awa inter-dependence land, so naturally he is a product of this awa his desired areas of excel...
Undeniably he has amazing technq & ability, of course. Scary rock solid time almost 2 the point of perfection...which in turn can lead to seeming un-groovyness. But I nevertheless respect & admire him...like it or not; take it or leave it, he is a clinic-marvel, no doubt. I take what I will, the great from him, in a positive way, & leave those aspects that i don't want. Pete C said it best, i think.
Having said that...that Omar clip is 'da deal' - as yoozsh. Thx 4 linking to that. [img]cool.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]
Of all these mod guys, who are indeed great at what they do IMHO [the 2 MMs for inst], I still pref the playg of a cat like, say, DiCenso over all in this veign. Very hip, musical, awa greasy pocket when he wants...Kennedy, Husb, Omar, Ersk, Gadd, Vega, too. Vince, Novak, & Weck on much stuff AW, of course.
Virg has more grease [if i can be allowed that ;-)] than either the 2 MMs or TL...[altho he can be machine-like too when he wants!!] [img]tongue.gif[/img] But they're all facility-monsters.
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ July 14, 2005 06:00 PM: Message edited by: got_a_match_grip? ]</font>
Benrand and Peter,
Yeah Billy of course, what can I say...
Just re-read in an old Jeff Ocheltree interview that both Buddy and Bonham used to check out Cobham's gigs. That would have been cool to see...
I saw a clip from here with Mangini playing the zeppelin tune "Kashmir". All i can say is that this guy can PLAY music.
I'm however intimidated how he manages to hide anything musical in this clip! [img]eek.gif[/img]
Just seen the video - awful. It's the way he looks up with his eyes closed and smiles really smugly and exhausted, as if he's just shot his load oll over the drums!
I guess in essence that's exactly what he's doing - wanking!! [img]tongue.gif[/img]
LOL YEAH!
Think of something beatiful while you shoot out 1500 beats per minute! [img]cool.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img] [img]redface.gif[/img]
Yeah, I've seen him in clinic & he can do some amazing independence things awa great technq.
But i agree; this clip portion, albeit it IS just a clip - is just awful. I'm sure there were better sections of his solo to choose from [I know what some of u r saying right now - that he even had THIS section is ?able ;-p]
Its beginning fooled me...lulled me into thinkg he was going to develop some hip motifs of which he is fully capable of [from the 1-hand w DB stuff, which was allright]...but then it quickly digresses into a gimmickry spanky-wanker-doo...
It actually made me long for a Marco or TL spank-wankerdoodle! Do I hear a Virgubatory binge, anyone?! This type of thing should silence & CURE the Weckl-pooperz once & fer all!! /;-p
Bad choice for a clip for furthering the cause of music, i suppose...OK if you want the impressionable speedfreek rock kiddies to buy your drums!
...Little Rascal Spanky McDoodle & the "Red Herring Clipperoos"...
Ah, yes, well...at least he's prob out doing a clinic or rock album somewhere right now & not sitting in front of a keypad...DOH! Heh heh...
MM is capable of much greater than a [this] clip shows.
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ July 14, 2005 11:48 PM: Message edited by: got_a_match_grip? ]</font>
Where's Gene Hoglan when you need him to take a drummer with lovely wrist corsages, as well as a certain "pooched out succulence" like a certain singer songwriter everyone likes, and drive him head first through an 18" floor tom?
Anyone else think Mangini's double bass pattern was really uneven?
maybe it was a bad night for Mike.
Mangini puts on a cool clinic and is one of the nicest guys on the planet but have you guys heard the new 'Rush' tribute? Metal overload and Sebastian Bach has got to be a eunuch with that voice. [img]eek.gif[/img] [img]rolleyes.gif[/img]
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I find that REALLY hard to imagine when it comes to Mangini... i am going to have to go back and check it out. I mean, maybe he did f* it up, but Mangini is as close to a machine as they come.Quote:
Anyone else think Mangini's double bass pattern was really uneven?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Where can this Zep cover clip be found?Quote:
Originally posted by Klemme:
I saw a clip from here with Mangini playing the zeppelin tune "Kashmir". All i can say is that this guy can PLAY music. I'm however intimidated how he manages to hide anything musical in this clip! [img]eek.gif[/img]
Mr Cobham is a sweet darling wonderful wonderful gentleman. I met Mr Cobham when I met Mr Collins and Mr Starkey two wonderful English gentlemen
I've seen the Kashmir and the Extreme Vids and Mike is definitely a rock monster.
I just saw this clip. This particular clip has terrible audio and is not a particularly impressive bit of playing from him. I agree that it's a bad choice for Pearl to put this on their site. It's the end of one of his solo's and is the BIG FINISH, not him attempting to be musical. Don't judge him just on this awful clip. Check him out on something else. You'd be shortchanging him (and yourself).
FYI - Most of the clip has Mike playing a four-way single stroke roll around the kit. That is, RH RF LH LF (or RH LF RF LH - I can't tell which) at a fairly decent speed, while he's moving from drum to drum and cross-sticking. This is pretty challenging to do. I've heard him play this faster and cleaner many other times.
Brad
Hi Guys,
I agree with you, it's very "drums only", but his technique is awesome !!!
But where is the difference here between him, Donati, Minenman, Lang ?
But I like Thomas Lang anyway...
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah Ben! If you focus on just the double BD, you can hear that it's all over the shop, like a nervous twitch or sommat! I would be embarassed if I did a solo like this and it got out on the net. It's just wrong!Quote:
Anyone else think Mangini's double bass pattern was really uneven?
It amuses me when people caviat dreadful playing by saying "he's a really sweet guy." I'm sure he is and would make you endless cups of tea if you met him, but that is no excuse for loud, tasteless, self satisfying, unmusical, and boooring playing. It's the way he holds his stick aloft while doing that one handed roll thing as if to say "check ME out", then that self satitisfyed 'I've just cum' look!! LMAO!!
If I saw this guy in a clinic, I honestly think I'd walk out after 10 minutes.
JMHO - of course!! [img]wink.gif[/img]
Not wanting to delve into the comparision thing, but Fuse, I think TL has an edge over VD.
Seeing Steve wank hard last night, I must say I enjoyed his taste better than a lot of what Virg does. VD is more complex and athletic, but his "feel" during metric modulation stuff can still sound very machine-like. Steve did some very nice MM stuff last night that was very musical. When I see VD with CAB, they play a lot of covers and Steve played HIS stuff, which makes it very inside, but on VD's solos, he still sounds like he is in his practice room.
I'm going to see VD's All-Stars next week...I will try to record his solo. Who's got a mini-disc & mic laying around, tucked in a drawer to donate to an LA guy? It will be the offcial HOD recorder. Or whoever donates will get all original copies of gigs.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Who is this Ann person and why does she continue to lurk here and post these things? Bizarre....Quote:
Originally posted by AnnD:
I met Mr Cobham when I met Mr Collins and Mr Starkey two wonderful English gentlemen
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah really..otherwise known as Billy, Phil and Ringo to us seat warmers.Quote:
I met Mr Cobham when I met Mr Collins and Mr Starkey two wonderful English gentlemen
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Y'know...none of those Reference Series clips sound worth a crap. What's Pearl thinking, anyway?Quote:
Originally posted by Vdrummer:
I just saw this clip. This particular clip has terrible audio and is not a particularly impressive bit of playing from him. I agree that it's a bad choice for Pearl to put this on their site.
-Scott