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After 31 yrs of uncompromising musical integrity, and starting such bands as Ramones, Deadboys, Joan Jett, Television, Blondie, and Talking Heads- CBGB's needs your help to keep it's doors open !
USE THIS LINK www.savecbgb.org
<font color="#FF0000"><font size="1">[ July 20, 2005 07:44 PM: Message edited by: suicide junkie ]</font></font>
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<font color="#FF0000" size="1">[ July 20, 2005 09:53 PM: Message edited by: suicide junkie ]</font>
T-shirts not selling so well these days?
<font size="4" face="Arial">Another One, you people have no respect for the people and places that built this world you live in , go listen to your 50 cent CD , and shut up !!Quote:
Originally posted by Stacey.:
T-shirts not selling so well these days?
No disrespect meant.
If I wanna post, I will. Deal with it.
<font size="4" face="Arial">you can, but it is disrespectful to this landmark, i have already seen this happen in Boston to The Ratskellar( know simply as THE RAT), I f we let em close the clubs, what happens next, no place for bands to play !!!Quote:
Originally posted by Stacey.:
No disrespect meant.
If I wanna post, I will. Deal with it.
Shame that this is happening but it will unfortunately. Having read your link, this isnt about CBGBs not being able to afford the rent, its about BRC wanting to redevelop the builing.
Thay are being unreasonable in order to force CBGBs out of the building. That is what they want to do.
I don't know what comercial rents are like in NY but this price must be stupid or any half decent entrepreneur would snap it up just for the brand name. Its worth 30.000 dollars a month in T-shirts and mercandise. I suspect CBGBs will close on this site, whatever, and re open in a different venue like the Marquee did in London.
The only fuck up there was that they increased the capacity so much they ended up being too big for the up and coming bands and just too small to attract the larger names. An expensive lesson.
<font color="#FF0000" size="1">[ July 21, 2005 02:51 AM: Message edited by: IH Rich Rags ]</font>
The Marquee has re-invented itself several times now, some attempts more successful than others. For the business to survive, it must move with the times and remain relevant to the next generation, rather than living on the reputation that some guy booked a few decent bands before they got big 30 years ago.
Move somewhere else, get a guy that recognizes talent that will appeal to the current crop of paying customers, job done.
Redevelopment is probably not a bad thing. There's probably 30-year old crap still sitting in those toilets.
Just my 2 cents [img]graemlins/money.gif[/img]
Love n kisses,
Stace xx
Well said Gal. This just a case of going through your old clothes and not wanting to chuck something out becuase in holds a memory. As you said, the Marquee exists now because it is a great brand. The original one in Wardour Street was damp, the bogs smelt awful and flooded, and the bar area was so small you might get served twice all night. When it moved to Charaing x road it was miles better but still maintained the feel of the old one without the bad bits. They even used the same stage boards from the old one. Rich Rags played there 11 times and it was still an awesome experience to walk out on the same stage as the Stones and Hendrix.
The legend of CBGB's will remain wherever it is.
Nah! We'll have to agree to differ there, mate. THE Marquee was in Wardour Street. Its decline started the day it moved.
Everything should be done to keep CBGB's where it is. They could spruce up the bogs a bit though...
CBGB's is a dump, it is supposed to be dump, the walls are covered with stickers of all the bands from years past , along with ramblings scrawled in marker, it does just fine for talent, small bands want to play their because it is CBGB's, big bands want to play there because it is CBGB's.
just sign the petition
not that much to ask
Dont get like your dads here! Ive been to CBGBs and it remides me of the Hasienda in Mnachgester only the fucking toilets were worse. Legend IS legend.
It don't die.
The Marquee died due to 2 things. It was a rock club, and after 1999 there were no rock bands. Then,.. some bloke in a suit took over the management, and turned to the "Craigs" of the world. Blokes in shirts and trendy shoes got in, and the place turned into a "weekend wankers" paradise. For a nightclub to run, you have to sell tickets 7 nights a week. The Marquee was free to get in towards the end. We all went to the Moritz....If money is the problem,.. then CBGB's will move, then somewhere down the line, some old punk will buy it back and start it all over again. And like the Tower of London, they will have old panels of grafitti, preserved behind glass adorning the walls.....
<font color="#FF0000" size="1">[ July 23, 2005 02:44 AM: Message edited by: Buttz ]</font>
The Marquee is still alive. Open 7 days a week, in Leicester Square now. Not just rock, although there is a rock night every other Friday. Now it caters for all tastes. Something for everyone wanting to see live entertainment.
It's the way to go, now it's no longer 1989, and we're in the minority. The bands that play suit the kids that pay.
God,.. it sounds like a fucking toilet. Do they have Gay night too?
No, that's at the Astoria, and is very popular by all accounts.
Good.
Bagsy the Construction workers costume
YOUNG MAN
I think they may be developing into a chain, as there's one where I live in Hertford. Even the logo's the same. I don't know if they have a gay night though.
Maybe you'll get one down in your neck of the woods, Buttz. A Marquee that is, not a gay night...
Sheesh, the snide response to Stacey's minor little joke is going to keep me from signing the petition.
The place is supposed to be a dump? So, what you're saying is that when it was built they said "hey...can somebody come in here before we open the doors and just sling monkey shit all over the place and pee in all the corners to make it stink? And while you're at it, can you wire things kind of shitty like to make it really crappy all about here?". It was not meant to be a dump, but a dump it has become through the ages, or so I am told. I have never been to it, but from those I have spoken to that have made the journey, they made it, and regretted it. Yes, it might be a historical landmark to some, but to others it might be an eyesore. And if it is an eyesore to somebody who doesn't give a shit about it's history, and that person has any connection to government, no amount of petition signings will mean a damn thing. Trust me, I know the construction business very well, and the way States and Cities do things.
But hey, if signing an online petition helps you sleep at night, rock on. But being an asshole to somebody who has existed on this site WAY longer than you only makes other old timers here such as myself say "fuck 'em" and screws up your plans of a Punk Paradise. [img]smile.gif[/img]
Cheers Carl, although my t-shirt comment wasn't really a joke. Thought maybe CBGB had fallen on hard times since the hey-day of Duff sporting the said garment. That free advertising must've sent business through the roof.
Everyone's got their views, sentiments, emotions etc. and I was a little shocked by the response. I think I made my point though. No harm done.
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The Hertford Marquee is not affiliated to the London venues.
http://www.marqueehertford.co.uk
The London venues are operated by Plum Promotions (a candidate for the fruit thread!);
http://www.plumpromotions.co.uk
<font color="#FF0000" size="1">[ July 25, 2005 09:39 AM: Message edited by: Stacey. ]</font>
<font size="4" face="Arial">Yeah, seems to be the way things are heading though.Quote:
Originally posted by Stacey.:
...and I was a little shocked by the response. I think I made my point though. No harm done.
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Mmm, people have come and gone. Some left because of drama, some move on when there's not enough drama. Can't please everyone, I guess.
<font size="4" face="Arial">this was never about me, it was about CBGB's, I know this is how things go, like I said I already watched it happen to the oldest punk club in boston, one of the colleges bought the land, I thought maybe just once we could win one, but that is the problem with this generation, no one wants to try,let someone else do it, who cares if Bush stole the election again, who cars if CBGB's closes, It will catch up to all of us !!!Quote:
Originally posted by Carl I.:
Sheesh, the snide response to Stacey's minor little joke is going to keep me from signing the petition.
The place is supposed to be a dump? So, what you're saying is that when it was built they said "hey...can somebody come in here before we open the doors and just sling monkey shit all over the place and pee in all the corners to make it stink? And while you're at it, can you wire things kind of shitty like to make it really crappy all about here?". It was not meant to be a dump, but a dump it has become through the ages, or so I am told. I have never been to it, but from those I have spoken to that have made the journey, they made it, and regretted it. Yes, it might be a historical landmark to some, but to others it might be an eyesore. And if it is an eyesore to somebody who doesn't give a shit about it's history, and that person has any connection to government, no amount of petition signings will mean a damn thing. Trust me, I know the construction business very well, and the way States and Cities do things.
But hey, if signing an online petition helps you sleep at night, rock on. But being an asshole to somebody who has existed on this site WAY longer than you only makes other old timers here such as myself say "fuck 'em" and screws up your plans of a Punk Paradise. [img]smile.gif[/img]
So...what does that stance and feeling have to do with taking it to a personal attack on Stacey again? You'll really get people to follow your lead by insulting them.
<font size="4" face="Arial">was never meant to be a personal attack on herQuote:
Originally posted by Carl I.:
So...what does that stance and feeling have to do with taking it to a personal attack on Stacey again? You'll really get people to follow your lead by insulting them.
where did the goddam 50 cent link come from ????
How much do they want for it?
<font size="4" face="Arial">was never meant to be a personal attack on herQuote:
Originally posted by suicide junkie:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="4" face="Arial">Originally posted by Carl I.:
So...what does that stance and feeling have to do with taking it to a personal attack on Stacey again? You'll really get people to follow your lead by insulting them.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="4" face="Arial">Stacey is a guy. [img]wink.gif[/img]
I wonder if IH saw your last post, Carl. LMAO
I so wish it was the 80's/early 90's....Ah, that was the best time of my life...
yeah, i get ripped apart for trying to help, real cool , you relly know how to pick your battles sorry, forgot, never try to make difference, conformity is wasy cool
Nobodies ripping on your effort, which is a cool thing you feel strongly about. You got "ripped on" for attacking a longtime poster, by only me.
And, IMO, there is no greater form of conformity in this world than the Punk scene. It's loaded in hypocricy and is a sterile joke.
CBGB's is a landmark and should be preserved, but from what I hear, they need to rennovate it to pull it out of the dumps.
SJ it is not about 'the trouble with this generation etc' If anything it would suggest that 'this generation' have the capacity to adopt both a broader horizon and comprehend the reality of life rather than immediatly taking up a reactionary stance.
Like Buttz pointed out someone like Tom Verlaine or Christ Stein wil undoubtably buy the rights and open somewhere that maintains a the feel of what CBGBs stood for whilst bringing it into the 21st Century. Look at it this way. If CBGBs stays as it is, in 25 years it will be not in existence. It will be nothing more than an old myth that you and your mates reminise about . If it moves it will get a new lease of life. Born again and all that! If it was me, instead of trying to stop it closing I would launch a campaign to find a buyer. You may find yourself involved in opening the new one and then you would really have some influence in its history.
That way you might REALLY be saving CBGBs and not just putting a band-aid on a fatal stab wound.
<font color="#FF0000" size="1">[ July 31, 2005 04:52 AM: Message edited by: IH Rich Rags ]</font>
I respect the legacy of CBGB's , but if it's a dump then they should renovate it or tear it down.
I try not to get too romantic about buildings. If Metro ( my favorite concert venue ) was a dirty, smelly health hazard, I wouldn't go there anymore. I do expect a certain level of comfort when I see a show.
I've "lived through the death" of Chicago Stadium, Comiskey Park, Lounge Ax, the original Exit on Wells Street, the Thirsty Whale, etc etc. Funny thing....ALL my memories of the fun I had at these places are alive and well in my head! CBGB's will live on in the minds of those who experienced it.
The original Medusa's also. Damn, soooo many good times there!!!
been there, played that, nice name, good history, hell hole of a place. yeah history and all but not really worth saving in it's present tense.
look at the limelight, hammerjacks (re-opened in a different location) or jc dobbs (re-opened as the pontiac) or what about coney island high, studio 1, l'amours or max's kansas city, the true original home of nyc punk. all gone. for as much as i admire your drive, times change.
there are a lot of clubs in nyc where bands can and do play regularly. i don't think the closing of cbgbs will have much affect on the music scene.
Signed IT!
K!