Top Ten BDD QB's of All-Time

1. Heath Miller (NFL Enough Said)
2. Terry Gulley (Super fast, super arm, Was the USA Today National Performance player of the week. 8 td passes against Pocy)
3. Jason Compton (Held VHSL Passing TD record for a single season. One of the strongest arms ever pure passer.)
4. Roby Hale (Wake Forest. Led Garden to State Championship Game)
5. Robby Colley (Super Intellegent, be game performer.)
6. John Salyers (The entire offense was based around this work horse.)
7. Tie between Chris Boyd and Andrew Bostic (Both ran/run the option flawlessly, big play threats, Great Leadership skills.)
8. Jake Colley (Best athlete not named Miller(Heath & Amanda) to play QB in SWVA-was extremely underrated)
9. Kevin Shortride (quick, quick, quick, Also great leadership skills)
10. ??????????? Can't really think of a 10th in the BDD that would fit this list. Maybe you people can help.
Possibly M. Hackney from Hurley I think was his name real good if I remember, maybe some of you Hurley fans would now and could help out.
This is my top Ten. Although there are more Haysi QB's on there than I would like I was trying to be very accurate.

Unless there's another QB from Hurley, Haysi, or Pocy that was better maybe Tyler Ball should be 10th.

I like the list orangetiger but I would put Salyers I think Salyers could have put up better numbers than Compton if he had the team Compton had. 5. Jake Colley at 6. Jaime Hackney 7. Shortridge 8. Brandon Miller from Honaker I think he graduated in 96, 95 football season. 8 is really all I can think of I don't think Bostic or Robbie Colley deserve to make the list I'm sure there is someone from Garden or Hurley or even Pocy or St. Paul when they were in the BDD that deserves to make the list over Robbie Colley and Bostic.

Tyler Ball was a good QB. Rob deserves to be on the list but bostic def. not

Well, I think this season makes it or breaks it for bostic, I forgot about Ball he was pretty good, bbj I also don't know about Jamie Hackney when did he play? If I can't even remember him than how in the world would he make the list?

Hackney was better than 7 guys yoiu had on this list as far as pure passer and strong arem i think you won't see anyone besides maybe Miller better than he in that dept. Chris BOyd i would not put on the list and Bostic either, i would put Kevin Shrtridge on there befroe either of them. ALso Tommy A. Justus was better than both of the Honaker QB's i think. Got to think up a list first. Hackney much better than Compton i feel yeah the guy put up great numbers but he had more weapons than any team may ever field in this district for a while. Not really old enough to remeber Gulley but have heard some good things about him and he was and still is in the VHSL record books.

Also would not put the younger Colley in there not becasue he wasnt one of the best athletes i have seen in years but becasue he was not the best optoin for a QB i think he was a WR and got stuck at QB with no one else to fill the void.

Ha Ha funny OrangeTigerFan...i think that was an intentional omission since i think you probably know who I am...nice touch there putting Kevin Shortridge in there...that made me laugh hard [img]smile.gif[/img]

When rob played he would've probably made a better WR too if we had a QB to throw to him. It makes no difference. The colley brothers could've exceled at any skill position

I am older than alot on here I'm sure so I will give my opinion on the QB's I have saw over the last 25 years:

1. Heath Miller, Honaker...he was a big ole boy and and heckuva QB but I'm pretty sure his football days would be over if he hadn't been moved to Tight End where he has been ELITE.

2. Jamie Hackney, Haysi...best deep thrower i can ever remember in this area, could throw it over 60 yards in the air...not as accurate as Miller or Compton but could stretch the field better than either and much more mobile than Compton...could have went D-1 if he would have been more dedicated and had someone to work with him.

3. Jason Compton, Haysi...It wasn't his fault because he had a plethora of talented receivers around him and a great o-line...he still produced some amazing numbers and was the most accurate QB I've seen...the only reason he is not #1 is because his lack of mobility made it easy for certain schemes to shut their passing down...but only a handful of coaches were able to do this.

4. Terry Gulley, Haysi...was overrated in a sense that he had some inflated numbers in a few games against subpar teams...don't get me wrong though he was very accurate and created alot of problems for the defense because of his speed...he didn't really have a big arm though which is why I ranked him 4th.

5. Dewey Endicott, Hurley...most of the top QB's have been from Haysi but anyone who saw Endicott play in the early 80's knows he was very talented...this may be too high for him because he had some injury problems but he had the skills.

6. Chris Boyd, Honaker...Was like a Michael Vick, dynamic runner and often the best threat Honaker had at the time on the ground...limited as far as a passer but boy was he something to watch when he ran the ball.

7. Trevor Childress, Haysi...yes I'm old and this is why I know about this guy...he was the national Punt, Pass and Kick champion and had really good passing stats in a time when High School football was run, run, run...if he had played for Colley instead of Kiser then his stats might have been even better.

8. Brad Deskins, Garden...this little guy could throw the football...Shortridge was in no way a better QB than this guy. He was undersized but was mobile and threw it nicely.

9. Jeff Miller, Honaker...He was the best I can remember at Honaker in the 80's...very accurate from what I recall.

10. Jake Colley, Haysi...better than Robbie but was probably a WR playing QB...also we have a tendency to overrate those who played recently because they are fresh in our minds.

A few others:
Roby Hale...one of only 4 BDD QB's to win a regional championship...did not go to Wake to play QB though, he was an outstanding Defensive Player.

John Salyers...Had an arm like Hackney but didn't really understand the offense when it came to playing QB. He had one really good year throwing to Kory Bostic but I remember him more for all the int's and having never won a playoff game.

Robbie Colley...Cerebral but like Jake was a superstar basketball player but not overly impressive as a QB.

Kevin Shortridge...wasn't bad, just wasn't special.

Brandon Miller...Pretty good QB and kicker from what I remember.

Andrew Bostic...Could be a future addition to the list depending on what he does this year...doesn't deserve consideration yet because what has he really accomplished?

i dont know about andrew bostic being so high...although do not get me wrong he is good but he is more of a big play threat and a return guy than a QB...i dont think i have seen him throw a but a couple good passes

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ September 15, 2005 12:56 AM: Message edited by: gobigred ]</font>

Darkhorse that maybe the best list i have ever seen complied. Now there is some info for us. [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Yeah thats a pretty tough list to argue with DarkHorse, excellent work... but I would add a couple on your honorable mention list:
Tyler Ball, Honaker
Mike Mullins, Haysi
Jeff Waynick, Hurley
Its hard to think of everybody but like I said great post.

Darkhorse,
I totally forgot about Childress, he was a excellent athlete. I still do not know of this Jamie Hackney of which everyone is so high on. I honestly can't remember him. You brought out some names and I thought to myself oh ya that is very true and good placement, but I do not remember him at all. When did he play? And I highly doubt that he was a better athlete than Jake Colley, yes he is fresh in our minds, but that kid was tuff. I don't remember him, but I can think of about 7 QB's at Haysi that were probably better than him.

Hackney Quarterbacked the 90 BDD champs and 91 Region D Champs and first undefeated season Haysi ever had...Don't know if he was a better all around athlete than Colley but was definitely a better QB...I think Hackney scored about 1500 pts in B-Ball too but I'm not exactly sure of the number.

Yeah Childress was pretty good for the era he played in.

Well since others on this board have unwittingly brought up my name on here I don't really feel comfortable commenting on the subject but just from Jamie Hackney himself I will say Jake is a great athlete and don't want to take anything from him...he is alot better athlete than me now because I'm old and out of shape [img]smile.gif[/img]

Heath Miller, Jason Compton, Terry Gulley and whoever else have been mentioned all were good QB's in my mind so thats all I will say.

Well if thats really you posting on this board Hackney back me up. Let us know some of your stats and info.

It is him i will swear to that. For what it is worth.

DH you also forgot he was WCYB Player of the week too, if that helps at all to add to your list.

By the way way to pull out Deskins from Garden and you are very much so right in that he was better than Shortridge, i think like you he was a QB in Shortridge that would not kill you or his team but he was not going to overpower any teams. I agree on the bostic thing he has not done nothing yet to deserve a ranking but Tyler Ball was a really good athlete and had a decent arm also. Would actually rank him above the Colley boys, but only in Football not many in this area better than those 2 in BBall. Like i said that is a hell of a list.

can't really argue with darkhorse's list much at all, like everyone else said great list.

would have loved to have seen john salyers have a qb so he could have played rb where he was a hell of a runner.

I agree with O-Line77 about John Salyers he probably could have been one of the top 2 or 3 RB's in Haysi history had he got to play that position a little more...i dunno if he would have been durable enough though coz it seems like he got banged up really easy and often.

Well Darkhorse I don't really read alot into stats and what not, I threw for quite a few yards and TD's but so did alot of other guys...I wasn't the one who raised this topic(I think I know why OTF did) but since it was brought up I will say that the most important statistic for a QB in my mind is wins...thats really what you are out there for and thats all any Coach can ask of his QB...TD passes and yardage are fine but just think the all time leading passer in NCAA Div 1 is Timmy Chang...yes thats right undrafted Timmy Chang...Michael Vick is behind about 50 other QB's in VHSL history including myself in TD Passes and Yardage, the guy just wins games...fact is stats don't matter much except to the media and fans...would you rather have Dan Marino and all the stats or Joe Montana and all the rings? The thing I'm most proud of about my high school sports career(long time ago) is all the wins I was able to be a part of as a starter at QB in Football and also in B-Ball....put those two sports together and I can't think of anyone that was lucky enough to have more total wins as a starter in this area...don't get me wrong there may be someone but thats the "stat" I would have to give you Darkhorse since you asked...I couldn't give you accurate passing stats without looking it up anyway because like I said its been awhile and it doesn't really determine who was better anyway...but thanks for the props.

well said james wins are the key stat when you talk about QB's

So how many combined wins did you have as a starter in those sports?

If my math and memory server me correctly Im pretty sure in saying the magic number is 104...and I did say as a "STARTER." 32 in Football and 72 in Basketball.

Another important factor i forgot to mention in being a QB is looks. As Joe Namath once said: "I can't wait til tommorrow....cause I get better looking everyday." [img]wink.gif[/img]

on the comment about michael vick and winning games and not having stats...yes he did win games in college and has done a good job with the falcons...yes you are ahead of him in the VHSL record book and also way ahead of him in the wins column...vick won maybe 10 games total in his four years at warwick...warwick high school was terrible but granted they do play in the same district as pheobus, bethal, Kecoughtan, and hampton...and hampton also had ronald curry possibly one of the greatest high athlete's ever...but you say that vick just wins games, he barely won in high school and his career stats 4,846 yards and 43 touchdowns and as a senior 1,668 yards passing as a senior ... Accounted for 20 touchdowns, 10 rushing and 10 passing... Accounted for 295 yards passing against Hampton.. and remember he is AAA so still i don't know where you get he never had good stats and just won games...only thing i can figure is you are talking about the pros because in college he had over 2300 total yards and 20 touchdowns in 1999(the only year he played)which is pretty good...i think

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ September 16, 2005 11:39 AM: Message edited by: gobigred ]</font>

Once again GoBigRed brings in some excellent football knowledge and you say that this person doesn't know anything about foootball. I think he must be a freakin' genius or just really, really, really, into football. Good Job GoBigRed

I also noticed gobigred stated that Michael Vick only played one year in college...He actually played 2 years...he was QB there in 1999 and 2000. The 20 touchdowns he mentioned in 99 were combined TD's passing and running...he only passed for just over 1800 yards and 12 touchdowns which are modest passing numbers to say the least for an 11-1 team that made it to the national championship...thats only around 150 yards a game and 1 TD per game...but like I said it doesn't matter because they WON.

This may not be 100% accurate but from what I came up with based on who was QB at the time and Haysi's record that year its probably really close to the total wins for each:

1. Jason Compton 36 (1 Reg. D Championship)
2. Jamie Hackney 32 (1 Reg. D Championship)
3. Terry Gulley 25
3. Jake Colley 25
5. Robbie Colley 20
6. Trevor Childress 19
7. John Salyers 12
7. Eugene Hackney 12
9. Mike Mullins 11
10 Bob Kiser 9

I think its pretty safe to say that Compton and Hackney are probably 1 and 2 all time in the BDD and both would probably rank in the top 10 in SWVA all time wins also. My guess is that Heath Miller would probably come in 3rd in the BDD on that list behind Hackney and ahead of Gulley and Jake Colley.

yea you guys are right that i got those stats from hokie sports...what the hell does that matter...do you expect someone unless they are a football fanactic over one player to know those stats from the top of their head...all i was saying that vick had great stats in high school and pretty damn good stats in college and for someone to state that he didn't have good stats at all was not correct...i was out to prove that and i think i succeeded...and if you are going to saying that it only relates to the pros ...say that in your post...but you can't expect someone who does know a small bit about michael vick to not come back with some knowledge that his stats were were pretty good

and air ran i never said he had 2300 yards passing i said 2300 total yard and 20 total tds...so you guys are saying that averaging nearly 200 total yards per game is not good stats??

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ September 16, 2005 06:52 PM: Message edited by: gobigred ]</font>

Not saying it is bad to have almost 200 total yards a game but that it is not very QB like to have to get your yards that way. But he is not your average joe and i would take it all day all i am saying is that as far as QB's go there is no way Vick is winning a game on arm alone and i do not expect him too and dont think i have something aganist him i love tech and will be there tommorrow in lane to cheer MV2 on.

yea, they are not traditional QB numbers but he did not say that he specifically said "stats"...and vick had "stats" so i gave you my arguement and it is correct

All this is on one game that he had against hampton aganist Curry, who yeah was a great HS player and has all the records one could possibly want i guess but ends up being a loser in College......VIck was in a tough area in the TIdewater region, but i think i would not even consider him a great QB at all, the greatest athlete that i have ever seen yeah but QB no. You can pull one set of stats from one game in the year that he had and be a genius.......lol.....pretty easy to be a genius. Hey Iverson was probably the second best QB in the state of VA ever and maybe jsut maybe the greatest Basketballer......but not even he has the wins that total higher than James.

I think it maybe more of a referance to the pros and college, but the stats for him in College are very misleading, yeah he had 2300 yard bassing and 20 tds but for a true College QB those are not great stats for a team that went to the NC that year, granted he did rush for a ton that year also but his stats compared to other QB's are not really that great if you are speaking in terms of Passing Yards and TD/INT ratio.

Oh yeah and it is nice to see that you took all the info from HokieSports.com in the Mike VIck bio almost word for word really...........lol Genius i think not. By the way only 1840 of those yards are from passing and he had 585 rushing......but a great QB rating of 180.4 so stats not that impressive but his 11-0 total in 99 was.

I will echo everything that Air-Ran just posted and I will add I never said that gobigred knew nothing about football...i said once that he had only made a few knowledgeable posts and also I stated once that he seemed to know alot about football just not much about being a man...He has a point about Vick's High School won-loss record but he missed the point I was trying to make. His stats were not all that great in H.S. compared to how highly he was recruited and how good he ended up being...I said before that passing stats are not a very good barometer for judging who was a better QB or whatever. By pointing out his winning percentage I will repeat what Air Ran said about his stats in College still not being all that impressive when you consider 22-2 or something like that in the games he started...also his stats have been sub-par passing wise in the NFL but he is something like 23-11 in the NFL as a starter. Its about the bottom line: wins...if you play a panzy schedule or a really tough schedule as he did in H.S. its going to vary but just like Jason Compton played against extremely weak opponents during his years at Haysi and he had alot of wins...would he have had as many wins if he had played the same schedule as John Salyers or myself? I don't know but they also had a really good team so maybe...anyway I'm rambling but its beside the point because QB's don't make the schedule anyway...you just play against whose out there.

I mentioned "passing" stats on several different occasions so no I don't really think you succeeded in the point you were trying to make.

Thanks for giving the verdict there buddy. By the way having stats and not winning is what he said and in HS Vick was totally the opposite of his college days. One he had stats and lost and the other he didnt have great ones but won, be it only for one year of winning with him spending much of the next sidelined and then struggeling the times he was on the field. But anyway you cut it amazing athlete.