gr8 game haysi.i missed the first half but heard u dominated .i couldnt understand why #31 was took out of the game second half ?was he hurt ?
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gr8 game haysi.i missed the first half but heard u dominated .i couldnt understand why #31 was took out of the game second half ?was he hurt ?
No he was just fine but James Colley opted to leave one of his bigest weapons on the sidelines what motivated this decision is beyond me.
I wish i could have been there but i for one am not suprised that things like that would occur, it has happened in the past and will probably happen again. Good game evadently and like i said wish i coudl have been there.
I'm just in shock about the second half last night. It was either give it to ryan jones up the gut or pass the ball. We were getting stopped at the line and lance threw two int. Why did we take out all our speed? I know elijah fumbled twice but good lord he was on of the only people gaining yardage. We had our opportunites to win and just screwed up
I think you hit the nail on the head dunduin with why Elijah didn't get any 2nd half carries...his two fumbles in the first half. I would have been willing to take my chances however because he was gashing honaker's defense with big gains. Zach Counts also had some nice runs and it was obvious that Haysi had more speed than Honaker but for some reason opted to give most of the carries to Jones who was obviously still hobbled with his foot injury and noticeably limping on several different occasions. I know Elijah has fumble-itus because he fumbled twice against Rye Cove too but I thought he gave us the best chance to win the game with his ability to get to the corner...I mean Ryan also had a fumble in the first half so I dunno...oh well maybe they can look at the tape and see what all of us in the crowd saw and change it up a little next time because I think there is a very good likelihood that we will see them again come playoff time...too bad next time it will be at Fuller Field.
Great question...I was wondering the same thing???
we(fans) were dreading him the second half but never seen him back in
Yes, all of this is very true, but when you have a number of different RB's, and only when really solid QB, then that is the way things are going to happen. Lance is going to be in the game no matter what, and I think he can handle it. Why, we don't have a backup with any experience. WHen you have 4 good Rb's then everyone is going to get his shot. SHould elijah have gotten another chance in the 2nd half? Yes. Did he want another chance in the 2nd half? Well, I'm not really sure. All of this is beside the point though now. We need to focus on TV and then the next game, and so on for the rest of the season. If we win out we will probably be the #1 seed in the play-offs and get another chance at HOnaker.
i say neither one of the tigers had better overlook tv or hurley(4-0).hurley is no pushover.we may have it tuff with the AA schools we have left on our schedule but if we can win 2 out of 3 of them and beat tv and hurley then theirs no way u can get the #1 seed.i dont understand the points system to well.thats a big IF.so i guess its a wait and see deal.good chance we will see u all again ,but none of us need to be countin chickens .
I know i'm a little biased but I thought last night was Zack's night to run the football. I thought he was on while most everyone was a little off
well, dunduin I think you raise a good point. he was having a good game, but i don't think everyone was a little off. it was a game of streaks. Lance came out very hot early. Jones was hot in the second quarter. zack did look really good at times, but not always. but who knows if we kept giving him the ball maybe we would know for sure. the barton brothers had there moments. so who knows. maybe we will get them again
The thing is Colley just isn't a very good coach. Never has been never will be. He has just been blessed with talent and luck. None of the stuff he does ever makes sense. Someone with some football knowledge like biggamesjames needs to be running the team.
In the second quarter no one could stop the caleb and jones combo but after halftime it didn't work and we kept using it. I just don't think we can rely on the pass. It seems like we have an int every game and our recievers are streaky
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">BBJ you are way off in saying Colley isn't a very good coach. Coach Colley knows football and is a very good coach I will use the quote He has forgot more football than I will ever know. I think alot of ppl will agree that he is one of the top coaches around. Tell me why you think he is not a good coach besides some stuff he does never makes sense.Quote:
Originally posted by basketballjesus:
The thing is Colley just isn't a very good coach. Never has been never will be. He has just been blessed with talent and luck. None of the stuff he does ever makes sense. Someone with some football knowledge like biggamesjames needs to be running the team.
Coach Colley does to some things I disagree with but I give him credit he has a brilliant offensive mind...I think the main thing I have seen him struggle with is certain personnel decisions...I have to say this year that he had a more talented group to work with than Hubbard did with Honaker but who got the win? Oh well maybe it has worked the other way a few times i don't know....thanks for the comment though basketballjesus and do I think I could do a better job coaching the team? Well, judging from player/coaching against Colley in alumni football games I would say YES without a doubt hehe [img]smile.gif[/img]
What happened to the old timers game?
Congratulations to both teams. I thought it was a very hard fought game, and also a great game just to watch. Both teams played well and I was pleased to get to enjoy such a great football game. I think Haysi is a great team, as is Honaker and I hope we get to see this matchup again in the Play-offs and preferable the Region D Championship Game. Congratulations again to both teams. The comment about Colley not being a good coach is about 50/50. I would like so see biggamesjames on the sideline though.
that was a good game. haysi would have beat honaker though if jones didnt get hurt last week in practice. i think he was afraid that he would hurt it again so he didnt give all he had. its like everytime he got up to the line he just stopped and waited for someone to tackle him. James Colley did make a mistake by taking out Elijah and haysi's linemen was not all in the game either. just hope they play better against TV.
I know that Elijah made a few mistakes but coach colley gives lance 3rd and 4th chanes when it comes to int's and all the recievers more chances even tho they all average at leaast 2 droped passes.
i think anyone to say colley is not a good coach is wrong .well in the case against honaker i have seen him take a weaker team and beat us .friday nite was an exception.i think he had the stronger ,bigger,and quicker team and made acouple wrong decisions on whos in and whos out and these guys in orange had a lotta heart in this game also.i think u alls line out sized us ,corners were quicker but it came down to who played the hardest at the end .
I dissagree WR. I think our line dominated most of the game
absolutley ur line did dominate and colley took out ur threat with the run game .one of those bad decisions im talkin about.
i think u had more of a threat runnin the ball with #31 than throwin.u had good recievers but the qb was not consistent on the pass.is he a senior?
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ September 25, 2005 08:05 AM: Message edited by: LITLTIGER ]</font>
Haysi has no prob with TV, but it is good to see them get a win aganist Pocy. In that game they will be overmatched and Haysi will be looking to get the bad taste out of their mouths.
Haysi-42
TV-7
Just because Colley may show a little mercy.
Well folks, truth of the matter is we played worse against RyeCove and I heard no one doing near as much blaming and complaining. We lost, get over it. We still need to be supportive and win out. We win out we possibly get homefield advantage due basically to nothing but power points because they are all that matters once you make the play-offs. The QB is a junior and he has looked really good up until this point and didn't look bad in the first half. And know we don't have great WR they drop the ball a lot that is why it was so close with RC, but Haysi fans lets stop being negative and be positive. Let's talk about what we can do the next 7 weeks and what we will do. Those boys read these posts and we need to be supportive. Go Red Tigers!
hey big red how many AA schools do u all have to play this yr ?
haysi is gonna win the rest of the district games, as long as they have heart.
They obviously don't have heart if they lost to honaker at home. Their band really pissed me off by standing out there while the captains walked out. Sara Beth was going to sing the national anthem but no they figured they could just treat the field like it was theirs. Screw honaker
Haysi has 4 AA teams on their schedule if I'm not mistaken...the largest school is Letcher Central who has over 1000 enrollment...the Lee High who is also division 4 with about 800 enrollment...Grundy is AA division 3 and so is Betsy Layne unless they moved down since last year.
You are right with what you said red_machine losing to Honaker this year doesn't have nearly the crippling affect it had last year because for one they laid a pretty good one on us last year and this year we had ever opportunity to win. Also it does not affect greatly our chances to make the playoffs because Rye Cove will probably win the cumberland again and they have moved down to division 1 this year...not to mention Powell Valley and Gate City are not what they were last year...heck even Clintwood is a long way from being out of the playoff picture...I will echo OTF I would love to see Honaker and Haysi again in the Region Championship and at this point both teams have to be thinking they have a great shot at that happening.
I have to agree with Red Machine, people cant get down over one loss, i mean it was a big important one but hey Coaches makes descisions that don't always work and so do players, seems both teams played hard from everyone i talked to, but hey i dont know i was not there. You have to suck it up and buckle up for the rest of the ride. If alot of passes would have worked and Haysi ran it then there would be complaints in the other direction, so i guess let it be. But i do and have always wondered something about Colley and it is not a knock on him, but why does Haysi run the ball all the way down the feild or get into the red zone and throw 3 consecutive times? I have seen that for years now even back when Blaine played and it happens now to this day, if anyone has an explination for that i just want to know. I think Colley is a good coach and it is not a shot at him i just wonder what the plan for that type of situation is?
I think he likes to establish a running game and then pass to get the defense off balance. Defenses get antsy when you're in the red zone and if you've got a great running game going then players aren't going to think pass. Coaches might see it coming but most players aren't that smart.
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ September 26, 2005 08:15 PM: Message edited by: OrangeTigerFan ]</font>
I don't think even Colley himself has a legit explanation for that air-ran but I will say he seems to like to use Ryan Jones awfully well in goal line situations now...back when they had blaine and all those 270+ lineman though they would do some odd things in the red zone especially when they were playing lesser teams...they also tried to pass in the state semi finals against giles in the red zone which probably cost them a trip to the state championship that year...im guess in the 4 years that blaine and tim were the primary ball carriers for Haysi both averaged up around 9 yards per carry which was similar to the Jones boys average but neither got nearly as many carries as they did which escapes rationality.
I love how people blame the coaching when a team loses and when a team plays great it all about the players and a little about the coach, maybe...none of you guys could do what coach colley has done at haysi. He knows more football than all the people on this forum combined, and yes that is more than me haha. Does he make a wrong decision, of course...but don't all coaches...but what determines a good coach is how many good decisions are made to make up for the few bad ones and coach colley has had so many more good decisions than bad...in relation to the throwing the ball on the goaline rather than running...why not?? in a few cases it may not work but how many times has he chosen to throw the ball in the red zone and had touchdowns??...but when you guys coach for 22 years have nearly 200 wins, 2 regional titles, and 10+ district titles...then you can talk crap about how another person coach's
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ September 27, 2005 02:39 PM: Message edited by: gobigred ]</font>
GobigRed,
I think your forgetting that know one know's more football than me. [img]wink.gif[/img]
I didn't see anyone really knocking Colley that bad just pointing out some facts thats all...truth is the truth. As I have mentioned before Colley has a brilliant offensive mind and has alot of career wins but does that mean he doesn't make mistakes? Ofcourse not! He has been blessed with an immense amount of talented players in his career at Haysi and he has done well with that talent. I feel like he is a coach that wins when he has talent and when he doesn't well he usually doesn't do that well. I do feel this years game with Honaker was an instance where he had more talented players but didnt get the win...thats unfortunate, maybe he will turn the tables next time...and once again gobigred if you will read most of the posts here your opinion and thoughts doesn't hold much water here because you don't have much to back it up with as a continued anonymous poster.
well most everyone there are few people...coach colley, bill walsh, jim tressel and well that is probably about it
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ September 27, 2005 03:36 PM: Message edited by: gobigred ]</font>
People who continuously toot their own horn the way you do are obviously compensating for some other deficiencies...if you are as brilliant as you say then you would feel no need to reinforce that time after time on a high school football message board...and I would venture to say the reason you don't say who you are is because you know if you did then people would no longer would take you seriously, not that they do anyway.
I for one am not knocking COlley but i will agree a lot with James that he wins when he is supposed to but nevers wins when he should not or doesnt do it often, never is a long time i guess if i am quoting myself. I feel like he is a very intelligent man on offense that has nothing much to do with the Defensive side or at least most of the time it does not look that way, i may be wrong there. But Gobigred you have to realize that what makes a great coach is not the stats or the win that is just part of it, and yes it does have something to do with it just not all of it. The real thing to me that makes a coach is when you take what you got and it is not as good as you once had but us adjust to your personel and beat teams that you should not beat and you make kids better that really arent all that good, as is and has been the case with Rick Goodman at Council, has Colley ever done that well i cant say he has because of all the talent he has had. Should he be slammed for having all that talent heck no but should he be praised as highly as he is for doing so good as a coach, i do not think so. But hey if you want to talk about people bieng biased to kin folk you might be being biased yourself, or could you. I do not think you can blame a loss souly on a coach or give him credit souly for a win, but some of the blame and credit has to be handed to him in each circumstance. I do think it is stupid to throw 3 times in the red zone when you have bulldozed your way to get there. But hey i am not a coach with 200 wins and 2 regional championship and however many district titles........but neither are many of us here now are we?
Seems to me if you hvae talent (more than the other team) than a lot of coaches can win games. Colley seems to be really good at taking players that might not have a lot of talent but putting them in positions so that they excel. THat is what I have always thought anyway.