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I talked to Rotten a little about this in the pool the other night, and stuck this on 2's board, and I figured I'd toss it on here for discussion too.
Something that really struck a nerve wih me this week was the fact that it took the enormous tragedy of the WTC and Pentagon incidents to unite our country with a little American pride, and I think that's sad.
Display flags are now sold out of stores across the nation. I mean, yeah, it's great that people are hanging flags in their windows and tying them to the antennas of their vehicles now to show their support, but it upsets me that this support wasn't there in the first place and it took the loss of 5,000 and some American lives to bring it out.
In my opinion, Americans should have had their flags (aka their support) out long before we endured a national tragedy. I mean, c'mon, when you have a favorite sports team you don't just cheer for them when they're winning, right? You root for them all season long, whether they're in the headlines or not. I think that's the way we as Americans need to come together... always, not just when a major event occurs.
So if you are one of those Late Patriots, that's fine. You've shown your support now, but keep it permanent... continue to show your support for America after this all dies down. And for those of you who had dedicated your support long before these events, just keep on doin' what you're doin'!
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hello?
just because we're buy'n a flag now, doesnt mean the patriotism wasnt there....
NOW, is a bigger, better, best reason to show it along with everyone else....
BTW! maybe 1 or 2 houses on each street around here has a flag out....
hardly any cars have them on......
i saw a Gas tanker truck with a huge flag flying..... it looked cool.... http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/smile.gif
I really wish the Mexicans would realize how lucky they are to be here.....
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*LOL* Where'd the Mexicans come into this?
No me gusta! *L
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Wave all the damned flags you want *L* (Before anyone chews my butt I DO have one in my front yard *L*)
You want to show you care about this country?? INFORM yourselves and VOTE!!!!
(this is not directed at anyone specifically just a general comment)
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The U.S.A was not the only country to lose people....WORLD TRADE CENTRE....Virtually every nation in the world is represented in the death toll...Try to remember that.
Yes...the attack was on the U.S...Yes you are the target...But as you bay for the blood of the killers of these innocent citizens of the world...Remember America is not alone in it's grief...The world outside your borders is hurting too....Turning your back on that world...Could do more political and sympathetic damage to your country than anything else.
It's doubtful...Even The Colonel thinks your justified (he's as crazy as Bush).
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You tell em Hank! whoa!
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I almost didnt post this...but i have to.If we go to war and try to stop terrorism..will this not help the entire world?..if we can dismantle even one camp of terrorists will this not save someone somewhere down the road?.yes we will lose people..we have before and will do so again..I do not want this..But what else can we do..lie down and let them do this again and again..or go down fighting?...Let me say this to everyone ..i mean everyone..I would rather die fighting for my freedom...than to lie down and say..here's a flower can we have peace..i would die anyways..right?...either way we lose. just my thoughts....
Hank your so right...it took this for everyone to come foreward...it is sad..But sometimes it takes a tragedy for ppl to realize and open their eyes to things..
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Blaze, hon thank you for coming forward and saying that! I agree with you 100%! If we can stop even one act of terroism in another country, like the terroism we have witnessed in this country, then I am all for doing whatever it takes. After all, these terroists never once, stopped to think twice about the innocent babies, men and women and others they killed. They didnt care, and was not concerned with what innocetn kids and others that they might be harmimg and murdering. If we go to war, and can later down the road prevent even one more act of terroism, then yes in my opinion it is worth it. What are we supoose to do, lay down and invite terroists to come and bomb us all the time now??? If we do not act, if we do not punish them and bring justice to what has been done, any terroist can think: "well, I can go and bomb any place in that country. I can go and have my way and kill ANYBODY in that country, and I will get away with it, cause the United States isnt going to do shit anyway. I can go and bomb any place, any state, anything and the U.S wont even do a thing about it." If we do not attack back now, if we do not nring this to justice, hell, we might as well be sending them invitations to terroists anywhere to come and bomb us! we MUST show any and all terroists that WE will NOT put up with this. We will NOT stand fot this or any acts similar to this! We MUST take a stand and say, "NO MORE!" If we do not act on this, what are we saying? That the united States will let any terroists get away with tearing down the United states piece by piece? I hope when we find whoever did this, that we punish ALL the ones involved! I hope we give them the slowest most worst pain ever! I hope they must endure the longest, most awful amount of pain imaginable. They deserve everything they get. Like i said, we must let every country know, that WE will NOT ALLOW any act of any kind like this. If not, we are saying, they can come over here and tear us apart piece by piece and get away with it. And I am behind Bush 100%! I believe we must do whatever it takes, whatever possible!
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Rebel, I agre with you completly with what you are saying. HOWEVER, I also say if you truly want to show how much you care about this country, truly show you love this country, we can do way more than just wave flags and show patriotism.
What are we doing to make this country better? Look at the crime, the pollution, the poverty, the poor, the broke in this country. Look at all the social and environmental problems this country faces. What are you and everybody else in this country doing to make this country better? What contribution are you making to help end the problems we face here? AND I do point the FINGER at MYSELF when I say all this. I could be doing more too.
Even if it is just making a sandwhich or donating clothes to the homeless. Going and giving a old blanket to a homelss person during the cold winter. Recycle, try to end the pollution. Do not use aerosol spray cans. Loving this country and showing spirit and patriotism goes so much further than anyone wants to work for. I donate all my old clothes to the salvation army. I donate all my kids old clothes to the salvation army.
All I am saying is, if we love this country so much, why is it in the condition it is in now? And what can we all do to make it better? Allot of us are to lazy or dont care. Instead of doing something about it, we just sit here and say, "let somebody else worry about it". Or we assume it is being taken care of, OR will be taken care of by somebody else. WE must all do our parts! It goes way deeper than just waving flags! I love my country, and I thank God every day that I am a FREE American. I thank God every day for my American rights. Rights that so many have died to give me. And I do not take it for granted.I exercise my rights. I speak up for what I believe in. I practice my faith and my beliefs everyday. This is the greatest country in the world. But it could still be better!
Another way that we could make this country better, if you see any young kids doing something we know is wrong, reach out to them. tell them about your own personal experience. Tell them how you know for a fact they will regret later what they are doing, cause you have been down that road. You have been, where they are right now. Take the time to care! take the time to make this country better. Practice patriotism. Do more than just wave a flag. Your proud to be an american??? Practice it, practice patriotism, practice loving thy neighbor. Practice giving it your all. It doesnt take much of your time. I wish I knew how I could do more. I would love to do so much more. I love my country so much, and I know I could help in making it better! But like I said, it goes so much further than just waving flags. REALLY show how much you love this country, make a start in making a differnce to make this country even better.
Just my 2 cents, not that anyone ever listens to me anyway.
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first of all I don't appreciate being labeled " a late patriot for not having a flag" second... isn't this a time to be coming together for humanity not criticizing others for not flying the colors of the united states? how many people in all those other countries have their flags flying? As for the US declaring an all out war on terrorism.. what else should we do as a United world? As for that making all other countries targets.. Do you think we all weren't one before, the possibility is always there. As for the united States thinking before we act.. I'd say we are or there would of been retaliation already. Do I want to see war.. no I wish it could be avoided.. but it won't be nor do I think it should be. As for our President "hiding"??? that is just ludicrous.
I don't want to respond out of anger... we should be coming together not fighting one another right now. That is what they are hoping for.. to break us.. to tear us all apart. none of us has the one right answer to all this.. maybe if we work together.. pull together as one.. as the people of this world... we can figure it all out
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the truth about all this disagreeing and finger pointing comes out of fear..fear of not wanting any of our loved ones to die..fear of having any kind of a war on our soil,whether that be here in my country the U.S.A. or Europe or wherever home may be for you....
but do ppl actually think that if we sit idle it will all just blow over... terrorism effects everybody...and happens way too much,
i dont believe any of our leaders are jumping the gun..besides is there a right way to fight..nothing is right about war,its only nessesary sometimes...can we ever rid ourselves of this kind of crime..i dont have the answer to that,i dont want to go to war and i have family in military,but it is our duty for humanity to make these ppl think twice about it,i think if ppl actually lost a loved one or relative..not just hearing about it and feeling sad for someone else...might just be a totally different story....
how bout this...try and pretend that right now,right this minute,this same thing happened again..by the same ppl in the same country or elsewhwere..just take a minute and think....................(BOOM!)your mother was doing some shopping down in townsquare...
she never knew what hit her....what are you gonna do now???
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I have to say...i have had red white and blue on my front porch since Christmas. And there are so many different ways to show your support for your country. Where i work, we had American flags on display that had not been sold for over a year. Within two days, we were sold out. Today i had a lady call and ask "Why the hell dont you have flags?" I wanted so bad to respond to her,"Why the hell werent you here a year ago?" So i agree with almost everything said here. There is one comment posted here that i really question....but i will have to think that one over before i comment.
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Juliet? Huh? I think you read what I was trying to get across way wrong *L... I wasn't criticizing people for not having an American flag up..... gosh, just, nevermind *L
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*L* it wasn't really you Hank. it was not aimed directly at you. sorry if it came across that way. I just put the post on this thread.. was comments Ive heard from other people.. and not just here..that was the reasoning behind it. I didn't make myself very clear, main reason why I normally wait so long before I ever post *L* I was upset over several things at the time.. we all show our patriotism in many ways... yes flying a flag is one of them...I agree that it would be nice to of had one flying before.. but I think its great that people are doing it now too. But I do not consider myself or anyone else a late patriot because they didn't have a flag..
What Im finding sad is reports of people stealing others flags...
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know what's been pissing me off lately with this new wave of patriotism surrounding last week's attack???
the MADISON AVEN-ization of the whole freaking ordeal, instigated by how the media's been covering it, slapping some stupid catch-phrase label on it like they do everything else, adding dramatic music to the never-ending repetitive images to drive home the impact, like some goddamn MTV video..(as if it weren't dramatic and affecting enough on its own?).......and now we're seeing t-shirts????? fucking BANDANNAS???? that all have a picture of the WTC/NYC and the sickening words:
"I survived the Attack on America"
my hands can barely type cuz they just wanna turn to fists at just those very words......exploiting this extremely tragic event for monetary gain, or even if it were free, just the commercialization and trivialization of it, to me is fucked up, not to mention just plain SICK!!!.....as if it should say: "someone died in the attack on the WTC and all i got was this lousy t-shirt"!!!......WTF is wrong with people goddammit????!!!!
a couple of people in my life have actually PURCHASED this loada CRAP! i said nothing, i bit my tongue almost off, but inside i was seething.....of all the disrespect, this has got to be the ultimate
anyone else think this is fucked up beyond belief??
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i can do without the dramatic music in the backround..i expect that from daytime talkshows.....this should go on the bitch thread.. http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/mad.gif
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And Mel... that's exactly what I'm talkin' about... feelin' like a nerd for displaying a flag for "No reason"
Ya shouldn't feel like a nerd ever for wavin' your flag. You've got something to be proud of and you've always got a reason. You don't need an excuse to whip it out *L You're an American. Wave that flag any time ya want to!
I don't want national tragedies to be the only time we haul out our flags and our support...
I mean, hell...
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I dunno about you, but I'm sick of seeing our nation's colors in mourning. I'd like to see it flown in all it's glory, and remain that way, like it belongs... at the top.
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i know!...i was just kidding.... http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
BTW! Hank? have you had a flag fly'n at your house all the time???
and about those t-shirts...
omg!!! i seen a t-shirt...of that 1, where the Fire Men are putting up the Flag with the tore up building in the back ground...
and it had different color glitter just over the whole thing...
WTF! the glitter was for? fuck only knows!!
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Yup. I rent, and the yard had a pole when I signed the lease forever and a day ago and I've had a flag up pretty much since I moved in.
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This....lets get patriotic bullshit is really getting on my nerves....There is a very thin between patriotism and Nationalism...One is the love for your country and the other ....well...let's Just say it's how Hitler started out....You've got them, just the same as every other "developed" nation in the world...I'm sure it's going there..It's already started here...Burning Mosques and racial hatred.
If you think that your country should unite the world to fight terrorism...All well and good.
If you feel that Nationalism is the way forward and that the world should be rid of Afghanistan, Pakistan and the rest of the Muslim community ...
Fuck you...You're as bad as the terrorist.
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What the hell Moby? I wasn't saying that at all.
We was all havin' a nice disscusion... Why does someone always have to throw a "fuck you" in.... grr.
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I hate to admit it, but Chilly said pretty much right what I was thinkin' when I posted this thread. It's super people are showing their support now, but where was it before? Just makes me sad that it took this to unite us.
But all in all, hopefully this late blooming support is genuine and we can put a lot of our petty differences aside and come together for something bigger than ourselves. http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
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I believe in making the world safe for our children, but not our children's children, because I don't think children should be having sex.
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MYRA, I don't know ya, but you just cracked my shit UP!!!
As glad as I am to live in America, even this tragedy has not necessarily made me PROUD to be an American, and if I hear that damned song one more time, I'm gonna tear off my own toes just to have something to stick in my ears!
Let's hope this nation can do something to make up for the idioacity that was Vietnam. (and don't give me the Gulf "war" cuz it was all about the $$$)
BTW, anybody heard that "song" getting air play by that Canadian guy praising America? I heard part of it and didn't get his or the song's name.
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idiocity that was vietnam? mitch what the fuck do you know about any of that? and what's this we stuff? did you enlist?
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"IDIOCY"!!! it's IDIOCY dammit! *stomps foot and clobbers you both with a Webster's hardcover*......*LOL*
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I dunno, but idioacity is more fun to say than idiocy Leo... I think we should write Webster's and make a suggestion *G*
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My point was and is this....Far right groups thrive under the banner of patriotism...I'm not saying that anyone who posts here is a facist...but it is very easy to become swept along by the enthusiasm of these groups...
I don't know what your news is telling you etc etc.
What has been sticking right in my throat recently is the victization of the minority groups..people who had to flee these countries and seek refuge in the USA, UK and OZ are now living in fear because they are blame for the sins of terrorists....That! is appalling.
So as you're sitting there, with your stars and stripes fluttering outside your house ( it makes it a nice target if you think about it)...remember there are people from those countries living in yours and most of them will have stories that will terrify you.
Give them a break.
Moby.
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Sorry to offend with slang, (I pronounce it id-e-ass-ity) the REAL irony is that actually I DID misspell what I was going for. Although I've never actually written it down, I'm quite sure their is no O in there.
J, I know a little about it from reading and talking with men who were there, some of whom are the most patriotic people I've ever met and who STILL knew it was wrong. I'm very thankful that I avoided that period of time. I'm willing to fight and die for my country if the need arises because it is my duty as a citizen to, in a time of war, be a warrior. As far as "and what's this we stuff?" where did I say anything about we? Maybe you should heed your own advice from another board and stick to things that are actually IN a post eh?
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Moby will you give us a little credit? you think president bush and pretty much everyone making speeches added in "and dont be stupid by attacking people who had nothing to do with this it makes you as bad as if not worse than the terrorists" i paraphrased of course wasn't for a reason?
I read about a number is islamic communities that have stated by far the ignorance and stupidity of the idiots who are shooting up mosques etc is outweighed by the number of nonislamic groups who have supported them.
We're all aware of this type of stupid shit..if you believe it's more so in the U.S thats where you need to educate yourself...more people are against that bullshit.
But on the other hand i'd seriously feel sorry for americans living in afganistan right now...although i already feel sorry for their women...
course that's another topic
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Yes J...I'm fully aware of the situation...I'm just a voice from across the water saying ...Let's not get too carried away...as we are all in this conflict.
I also feel most sorry for the women of Afghanistan...They have absolutely no hope now.
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