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The Big Sexy thought this kind of thing wasn't supposed to happen in touchy-feely places like France, where racism and poverty are nonexistent!
If you'll recall, many months ago, The Big Sexy noted the danger of France's large muslim population and how it may have affected their government's position on Iraq.
Is The Big Sexy the only one who senses the French are completely lost on how the handle this situation?
Now that they have the world's attention, what is it that they plan to accomplish by destroying everything in sight? [img]confused.gif[/img] [img]eek.gif[/img]
Seems to me that they only made their own situation worse. [img]graemlins/thumbs_down.gif[/img]
You know, say what you want, but deep down I'll always hold a soft-spot in my heart for the large neck population we have here (and which apparently is non-existent elsewhere, or at least in France).
I mean, can you imagine punks here trying to pull this crap? Forget the cops or even the National Guard, the Necks would mass-up and the next thing you know the streets would be full of the blood of the non-believers.
I'll have to ask Sean Pa if they have Necks in Great Britain. It may just be an American thang (Canada's got 'em, but even then they're not as 'neckish' as our Necks)
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What in gods name is a neck?????Quote:
Originally posted by Lew:
I'll have to ask Sean Pa if they have Necks in Great Britain. It may just be an American thang (Canada's got 'em, but even then they're not as 'neckish' as our Necks)
I beleive he's refering to the "Rednecks" of our great nation Sean.
There's quite a big ole bunch of 'em!
As we all know I am fascinated by French history (Louis XIV thru the French Revolution, Napoleon, and even the Bourbon Restoration) I think the French language is the most melodic to the ear. I think French contributions to art and culture are without parallel. With that having been said, I think they deserve to have their coddled Islamic community, that they have been afraid to stand up against, burn the whole country to the ground. France cheered and snickered about 9/11, they accused us of being intolerant, war mongering and ignorant to name but a few things they said about us. They oppose our efforts to combat terrorists. They have asked for everything happening to them and maybe it will open their Gallic, arrogant eyes to the truth. Is Paris burning? Why yes it is, while the French government played its collective fiddle in the smoke.... [img]graemlins/thumbs_down.gif[/img]
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I like most of the male population of the UK like a beer whilst watching football, does that make me a neck????? And is that a good or bad thing????? Whoa a nation of necks, Who Knew?Quote:
Originally posted by travelinman:
They have necks in England. All you have to do is sit in a pub with a beer and watch a soccer match. Normally I don?t enjoy watching soccer but during one of my trips to England I had the good fortune of watching a Man U game. There were more necks in that pub than in Billy Bob?s Roadhouse during bike week in Daytona.
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Sean, you're posting on this board. Ergo, you are an hononary 'neck.
Really, though. It's not the beer or the game. It's a mindset.
Oh! Could you please start using that term in your part of the world? It would be so interesting to find out how long it takes for the BBC to pick it up.
Running off to apply for a gubmit grant for this study.
Sean Pa-
Gae hit it right on the head- it's a mindset. Now, traditionally, we stereotype necks here as southern, poor, and trailer-trash. And it's true, often times that is the case. But the fact is, America has necks in all 50 states, and they cross over all economic lines.
Jeff Foxworthy used to do his "you might be a redneck" bit, but for all the joking, there was a lot of truth to what he said.
To give you a quick example, necks love talking animals. Ergo, someone made a fortune off of Big Mouth Billy Bass.
Needless to say, necks are not traditionally the most open-minded or progressive-thinking individuals. They love guns. I mean, LOVE guns. THat does not mean all gun-lovers are necks. Trav loves guns. So does Jumper. Neither are necks. But all necks are gun-lovers.
And if a bunch of punks started coordinated riots, the necks would make it right.
Since apparently France is in a state of complete chaos right now, it suggests to me that they must not have much of a neck population.
I don't discount Trav's points, but for a proper evaluation, I would ask Sean the following questions:
1) Do they have Wal-Mart in the UK?
2) Is it common in the English countryside to see 20-year old Jaguars and MGs left parked in front yards, often times with some of the tires missing?
3) National Health notwithstanding, how likely is it for one find a trailer in England with a satellite dish, a 36" flat-screen TV, no less than 7 pets of various types (including fish), and two or more children in the household who have never been to a doctor or dentist in their life? (I can vouch personally that we have that in Indiana because I just came from it last week).
4) Do a lot of British homes have trampolines in the back yard?
5) And finally, what would be the percentage of British criminals who commit their dastardly acts while wearing a white tank-top T-shirt or else no shirt at all?
The answers to these questions could go a long way in determining if England has necks.
They have necks in England. All you have to do is sit in a pub with a beer and watch a soccer match. Normally I don?t enjoy watching soccer but during one of my trips to England I had the good fortune of watching a Man U game. There were more necks in that pub than in Billy Bob?s Roadhouse during bike week in Daytona.
Something I heard from a coworker while I was there, ?soccer is a sport played by gentlemen and watched by hooligans while rugby is a sport played by hooligans and watched by gentlemen?.
Is this really all over the use of the term "Freedom Fries"?
Note to rioters, destroying everything in sight will not make you lives any better.
Lew, my man. I respect your opinions but you?re looking at the whole neck issue from a pale necked, northern boy?s perspective. While the stereotypes are true about some rednecks, let?s not confuse rednecks with white trash. Redneck is a southern prerogative. I?m sorry to say that the white trash people you?re dealing with in Indiana are not rednecks; they?re just northern white trash. Just because they fly a Confederate flag on their trailers doesn?t mean us Southerner's accept them. Anybody born, raised and lives north of the Mason-Dixon line can never be a true southern redneck. Y?all should know there?s not enough sun up here for the white trash hillbillies to be rednecks.
Jeff Foxworthy aside, us Southern boys understand that there are socially acceptable rednecks and there are white trash rednecks and they don?t come from the same socio-economic groups. There are Southern rednecks that have nice trimmed yards, drive new cars and have swimming pools in their back yards. Poor white trash can be necks or non necks, but they still shop at Wal-Mart while non white trash rednecks shop at Bass Pro Shop.
Not all rednecks wear white wife-beaters. Matter of fact, I like black. But I still think either one is much better than what the southern white trash rednecks want to wear ? hoods.
You forgot to bring up NASCAR. Check the demographics of the fans, the majority are college edumacated, and earn well above the median income in their areas.
There is a whole other class of Southerners who have trampolines in their back yards, have long dirty hair, old ripped clothes and broken down cars in their front yards. They?re called hippies and seem to have developed sometime in the 60s. While the rest of the country seems to have cleaned them up, I think they?ve all migrated to Tallahassee.
Believe me when I say that this is one Southern boy who is proud to be labeled a redneck but never wants to listen to Freebird again.
And as for redneck Brits, you must remember if the best General to ever live, Bobbie Lee, had won at Gettysburg (or at least didn?t need shoes), England would have intervened on the side of the south so they could have kept their textile mills in business. So they?re all honorary necks.
One last point to tie this back to the topic, there are no necks in France. Even though they let dogs into their restaurants, no neck would be caught dead in those stupid ass hats
<font color="#FFFFAA" size="1">[ November 09, 2005 07:12 AM: Message edited by: travelinman ]</font>
trav is calling himself a "southern boy"? Um...wasn't he born in like Brooklyn?
If you want to see enclaves of necks, head to any number of Northern Kentucky communities, such as Southgate, Dayton, Erlanger. I would imagine you could find a number of necks on the Ohio side, in places like Fairfax, Cheviot, Norwood, South Lebanon, and Amelia.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh, fighting words there!Quote:
Um...wasn't he born in like Brooklyn?
I see, Trav is right, We are a nation of necks just we call them Chavs. And I should add proud to be so.
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On the French thing, the next few years will be very intresting, the Native Frenchman is not at all tolerant of Immigrants and the French goverments insistance that the Muslim headdress is not worn in schools are believed to be one of many issues pushing the impoverished immigrant population to riot.
As much as I dislike French international policy, I am full of admiration for the way they insist, immigrants must embrace the French way of life and culture if they wish to reside in France.
Unfortunatly the result is this.
Now you will see a huge swing to the right with Le Penn s national party gaining seats.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">SourceQuote:
CHAV
The press in Britain has recently been having fun mocking a group for which pejorative descriptions have been created such as ?non-educated delinquents? and ?the burgeoning peasant underclass?. The subjects of these derogatory descriptions are said to be set apart by ignorance, fecklessness, mindless violence and bad taste.
To illustrate the last of these, critics point to their style of dress: a love of flashy gold jewellery (hooped earrings, thick neck chains, sovereign rings and heavy bangles, which all may be lumped together under the term bling-bling); the wearing of white trainers (in what is called ?prison white?, so clean that they look new); clothes in fashionable brands with very prominent logos; and baseball caps, frequently in Burberry check, a favourite style. The women, the Daily Mail wrote recently in a characteristic burst of maidenly distaste, ?pull their shoddily dyed hair back in that ultra-tight bun known as a ?council-house facelift?, wear skirts too short for their mottled blue thighs, and expose too much of their distressingly flabby midriffs?.
The term that has become especially widely known in recent weeks, at least in southern England, is the one borrowed for the name of the Web site, chav. A writer in the Independent thought it derived from the name of the town of Chatham in Kent, where the term is best known and probably originated. It is also commonly said that it's an acronym, either from ?Council House And Violent? or ?Cheltenham Average? (the word being widely known in that area). As usual, we must treat supposed acronymic origins with the greatest suspicion; these examples are definitely recent after-the-event inventions as attempts to explain the word, though very widely known and believed.
Sean Pa, any comments on that?
Yep, Uk s full of them. sadly. I now prefer the title neck its more of a lifestyle choice.
Though the article is wrong about the council house facelift, That should be the Croydon Facelift.
Gae and trav imply in their cartoons that French allowance of so many muslims into their country is the reason for the "terrorism" they are currently experiencing.
My trusty Wall Street Journal never disappoints. In today's edition, it mentioned the oft-cited unemployment numbers - 10% for France as a whole, 40% for the Africans and muslims.
If you look at French labor laws, it's a telling peek into the problems they are currently experiencing. Hiring and firing in France is difficult as long term contracts are ubiquitous. These stringent laws have the effect of eliminating employment for the marginalized and less desirable (ie blacks and muslims).
Add to the mix that the French minimum wage is sixty percent of the average French wage, and this has the dubious effect of pricing the unskilled and less qualified right out of the labor market.
Europeans - and the French in particular - have always been kind of snooty about their culture, so you can just imagine what it would be like for an African or muslim to make headway into their economic systems.
The Journal cited a study where 258 resumes were sent to various companies. Those resumes with addresses from central Paris and French-sounding names got 75 interviews. Those resumes with addresses from the poor suburbs and African sounding names got 14 interviews.
The point? Maybe the problem isn't the muslims. Maybe the problem is the French, their labor laws, their stagnant economy which has shut out those at the bottom from a piece of the economic pie.
The answer isn't to reduce the influx of muslims and Africans. The answer is to give them a fair shake.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">MMMnnnn, and the USA and all other major western economys dont have the same problem?????Quote:
Originally posted by The Big Sexy:
Gae and trav imply in their cartoons that French allowance of so many muslims into their country is the reason for the "terrorism" they are currently experiencing.
My trusty Wall Street Journal never disappoints. In today's edition, it mentioned the oft-cited unemployment numbers - 10% for France as a whole, 40% for the Africans and muslims.
If you look at French labor laws, it's a telling peek into the problems they are currently experiencing. Hiring and firing in France is difficult as long term contracts are ubiquitous. These stringent laws have the effect of eliminating employment for the marginalized and less desirable (ie blacks and muslims).
Add to the mix that the French minimum wage is sixty percent of the average French wage, and this has the dubious effect of pricing the unskilled and less qualified right out of the labor market.
Europeans - and the French in particular - have always been kind of snooty about their culture, so you can just imagine what it would be like for an African or muslim to make headway into their economic systems.
The Journal cited a study where 258 resumes were sent to various companies. Those resumes with addresses from central Paris and French-sounding names got 75 interviews. Those resumes with addresses from the poor suburbs and African sounding names got 14 interviews.
The point? Maybe the problem isn't the muslims. Maybe the problem is the French, their labor laws, their stagnant economy which has shut out those at the bottom from a piece of the economic pie.
The answer isn't to reduce the influx of muslims and Africans. The answer is to give them a fair shake.
There isnt a marked difference between White and hispanic levels of unemployment satateside???
You must have a fantastic President if he has solved this age old issue.
Hey reason! I just had a brainstorm that will solve the problems in France and here in the US.
<font size="6">From each according to his abilities and to each according to his needs.</font>
I think that's just the ticket.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ok. That's great. But it can't be one sided. Meaning if Shanequa from Avondale has the same qualifications as Bif from West Chester, their resumes should get equal consideration.Quote:
Originally posted by gae:
Hey reason! I just had a brainstorm that will solve the problems in France and here in the US.
<font size="6">From each according to his abilities and to each according to his needs.</font>
I think that's just the ticket.
In today's world, that's not currently the case.
Unfortunately, that's not the message you were sending, though my interpretation certainly does apply.
I have read many articles and many, many posts on Salon about this subject, The Big Sexy. Consensus of opinion among the libs on Salon (which I happen to share, BTW) is that the Shanequas and Ta'wan'dos of the world are born to uneducated parents.
Say what you will, but generally uneducated parents (in this case people who MAKE UP names for their children) raise uneducated children. High school graduates now need remedial reading classes before they can comprehend English 101. The names are just another strike against them.
I don't know the race of any of the following children born in September, but do you REALLY think your company would jump at the chance to hire any of them?
Jorja Summer
Sunshine Breeze
Serenity Dawn
Precious Destiny
Princess Ann [to Brenda and Prince]
Autumn Gayla Sioux
Randyjake
Klazik
Kaipo Adamant
Spartagus
Calpurnia
Jakeup Robert
Exstansha Ann
Diamant Lavertis
Caughran
Frankloin
(Trav's all time favorite name is Jawarski Pollock, a wide receiver for the University of North Carolina.)
This is derailing the thread, I know, so I'll get back to your point about the muslims being marginalized in France. I've yet to read or hear anything that has indicated that they WANT to assimilate into the French culture. They want what they want. Period.
Much like many blacks here in the States. You've seen the youfs here in the hood. Do you think any of them watch you drive by in your spiffy red gas guzzler and think "Wow. If I go to college, I can have a cool ride, too"? No. They've been taught that you owe them a living because you have more.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Horsefeathers!
While things have been changing, if you look at most large companies in America, upper level management is still overwhelmingly white. So is middle level management.
Not all of that is due to Shanequa not getting her diploma.
We've all seen the people who pull the strings make comments not exactly positive regarding those who are darker. People who are darker have heard them, too.
When The Big Sexy sees Lovell and Tyrone hanging out on the street corner, he sees someone who simply doesn't know any better. The Big Sexy does not condone such ignorance, but he does acknowledge that's the way they've been trained.
The Big Sexy also acknowledges that if Tyrone and Lovell go to college for four years they will for the most part have less opportunity and experience more crap than the Big Sexy has.
The Big Sexy does business with two black brokers at major firms - both in the top 4 banking companies in the country. One is named Rashaun. The other is Emmit. Both make considerably more than The Big Sexy.
The Big Sexy can't invite friends and associates to his party boat on Lake Michigan. Rashaun can.
Emmit attended Northwestern University in Chicago, a rather elite university. Rashaun attended Morehouse (?) College in Atlanta, a place he recently said is where all the wealthy blacks attend (with the exception of him).
Both Rashaun and Emmit are highly successful, educated, affluent. Yet both have funny, ethnic names.
As a matter of fact, one day Rashaun sent The Big Sexy a link to a prison inmate's personal ad. The inmate had the exact same first and last name as Rashaun. Rashaun thought it was funny, so he distributed it to all his clients.
Anyway, while prison Rashaun obviously could have done better, broker Rashaun was able to overcome the name impediment, and even jokes about it by announcing, "This is Rashaun Lamar!"
This is long winded, but the point is that all the Rashaun's ain't uneducated. But that won't stop many white folks from thinking so.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Generally speaking, The Big Sexy thinks The United States is a better place for integrating cultures than France, or the UK for that matter. Two of the largest US states are now white minority - California and Texas.Quote:
MMMnnnn, and the USA and all other major western economys dont have the same problem?????
There isnt a marked difference between White and hispanic levels of unemployment satateside???
You must have a fantastic President if he has solved this age old issue.
The Big Sexy doesn't see a time soon when muslims will take a prominent position in French society.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Those are actual names and spelled correctly.Quote:
Originally posted by The Big Sexy:
Both Rashaun and Emmit are highly successful, educated, affluent. Yet both have funny, ethnic names.
Tell me the different feelings you get from the following two names:
Anthony
Antony
For me, the first invokes intelligence, sophistication and an educated Italian gentleman.
The second is a Mafia thug from Brooklyn.
You can't tell me that names don't have an influence when someone reads a resume.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Generally speaking, The Big Sexy thinks The United States is a better place for integrating cultures than France, or the UK for that matter. Two of the largest US states are now white minority - California and Texas.Quote:
Originally posted by The Big Sexy:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">MMMnnnn, and the USA and all other major western economys dont have the same problem?????
There isnt a marked difference between White and hispanic levels of unemployment satateside???
You must have a fantastic President if he has solved this age old issue.
The Big Sexy doesn't see a time soon when muslims will take a prominent position in French society.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">How can you say that,What a sweeping statement.
The uk has had enormous success with huge settlements from the west indias and India settling and intergrating very well, Indeed the national health service is virtually run by Indians.
The problem we and the French have had is we open our arms to large numbers of Muslims invite them to settle inour country, But they do not want to intergrate, Indeed some even want to blow us up.
We are not an islamic state, we are not Kosovo, Afganistan or Iran We are Great Britain a Christian faith country, By all means come to our country, But things will change, its give and take,It cant be all take. If that means a headress has to be taken off in school, so be it.
If thats being snooty about your culture, then Im a Dutchman.
Ps.
Im not sure of the answer , but do you have any Large muslim areas?????
Reguardsless, criminal activity is never going to make their lives any better and more people will look down at them becuase of this.
Nothing good will come from these acts of violence and destruction.
All they've done is vindicate that those who stereotype them.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I AM rather partial to Frankloin.Quote:
I don't know the race of any of the following children born in September, but do you REALLY think your company would jump at the chance to hire any of them?
Jorja Summer
Sunshine Breeze
Serenity Dawn
Precious Destiny
Princess Ann [to Brenda and Prince]
Autumn Gayla Sioux
Randyjake
Klazik
Kaipo Adamant
Spartagus
Calpurnia
Jakeup Robert
Exstansha Ann
Diamant Lavertis
Caughran
Frankloin
How 'bout these?
Earl
Floyd
Estil
June Bug (an actual neighbor of mine)
Verna (My sister in law's mom)
Vina (Sister-in-law's aunt)
Elmer
Gail
Rufus
Dakota
Bo
Gomer
Misty
Amber
What's your point? Most of the names on your list struck me as old-fashioned. Some Southern, some mid-western.
I'd find it odd that a just-out-of-college kid might be named Elmer, but not because there's anything wrong with the name. I simply identify it with past generations.
Sean Pa, we have enough of a Muslim population in this country that we aren't allowed to use "Christmas" to describe that holiday on 12/25. Stores have "holiday sales" and children have "winter vacations". Mention of Ramadam is permitted and encouraged.
Some southern. Some midwestern. All white trash.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The muslim population in this country is still small, but it is booming.Quote:
Sean Pa, we have enough of a Muslim population in this country that we aren't allowed to use "Christmas" to describe that holiday on 12/25. Stores have "holiday sales" and children have "winter vacations". Mention of Ramadam is permitted and encouraged.
Contrary to what Gail says about not being allowed to use "Christmas". One can go on just about any of the major retailers' web sites, and yes, it will describe "holiday" sales, but it's not because they "aren't allowed" to use Christmas.
The Big Sexy isn't quite sure what gae has against the free market economy, where a retailer tries to appeal to the greatest number of consumers possible.
For example, when Macy's advertises "holiday attire," should that be limited to just Christmas? Maybe gae can wear that dress for her big New Year's bash. Or when she goes to her friend's Chanukah gathering. Or the neighborhood Kwaanza celebration. Or when the lesbians across the street invite her over to celebrate the winter solstice.
Of course, there are millions of people who celebrate Christmas just because they like all the trappings of it, but don't give a rat's ass about Jesus. The Big Sexy knows that's true.
So let's give the retailers some credit for understanding their audience and not criticize them for adjusting accordingly.
<font color="#FFFFAA" size="1">[ November 10, 2005 05:13 PM: Message edited by: The Big Sexy ]</font>
You're wrong, The Big Sexy, but I'll save my argument for the morning.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The Big Sexy discussed this with God, and He says gae is wrong. God is fine with the term "Holiday Sale."Quote:
Originally posted by gae:
You're wrong, The Big Sexy, but I'll save my argument for the morning.