did all del sols come with rear sway bars ?
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did all del sols come with rear sway bars ?
No, not from the factory. Rear bars by the years with del Sols with rear bars:
DOHC VTEC ('95-'97) 15mm rear bar, front 24mm.
Si ('96-'97) 13mm bar, front 23mm.
Intrega GSR 13mm rear bar, front 24mm.
Intrega ITR 22mm rear bar, front 25mm.
S ('93-'95) none used, front only ('96-'97 22mm, old Si front bar used for '93-'95 years).
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<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ May 04, 2007 11:39 PM: Message edited by: Geo 94 ]</font>
Before I can really give my thoughts, what is your end purpose. Mostly street, canyon running, etc and how much of each if more then one choice. That will give me a better handle on what you want as the end result.
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well before the back end felt light around corners and it was not very easy to handle at high speeds
i am looking for a good setup for playing with corners mountain roads and such
i will be moving to tn. later this year so the roads down there are alot better and its alot flater not as many hills so i dont know
i think i want it still but i know your the man so tell me your thoughts
oh and can you hook me up with the torq specs on the rear lower control arm bolts that would be very cool of you
mr. honda man :-D
what would be a nice size bar to use? i was thinking about just upping my suspension some more by getting
a rear sway bar a lower tie bar for the front and rear a strut tower bar for the rear and possibly a h brace it would make the bottom of my sol look like a transformer but do you think it would help with the handling
OK, I'll start with the torque fiqures you wanted:
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Now I can't remember what your car model is and have you changed it any (lower, coilovers, etc)?
With that info I can start.
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right now its got tokico illiminas (the white 5 ways) a pair of iluminum lower control arms that i am putting on in a few mins
weapon r coilovers a skunk2 font camberkit and a dc front strut tower bar
as for the vice grips yes i do they are in my toolbox waiting for you
as for my car model its a 95 si
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">First thing forget the H-brace, your slammed (Weapon R's wouldn't be my first choice sorry, Tokico Illimina's are good though ), it would scrape all the time during normal driving with it on, even on mine which is only a 1.5 drop. As you didn't state which model you have, I'll take it that you have an "S".Quote:
Originally posted by stylpntbil:
right now its got tokico illiminas (the white 5 ways) a pair of iluminum lower control arms that i am putting on in a few mins
weapon r coilovers a skunk2 font camberkit and a dc front strut tower bar
You can look into Suspension Techniques for the front and rear bar, that way you won't have to change out the lower arms at the front (as your changing the rears). Their bars mount without the holes on the arms front (clamp onto the arm) and rear (on the shock mount). Look for '92-'95 Civic w/o front factory bar sway bar, part # ACLO72667X. I believe the size is 25mm front and 19mm rear, around $240 for the set. Eibach makes a set too (25mm Fr.,17.5mm R), at $430 for the set.
Get the "Performance Bar" from the DOHC VTEC del Sol model for the front lower one, this comes stock on the DOHC VTEC's and Acura GSR's and ITR's. Your choice pretty much for the upper and lower at the rear (but anything but DC Sports, theirs flex to much, so no different then not having them on there), but OBX makes some that are not that much for the ties bars and work great.
That should give you a start on it. By the way do you still have my Vice Grips from the one meet we had?
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OK, have to give you the other part # and it is ACL072676Y for the Suspension Techniques bars, the same price for the Si del Sol model. The Skunk2 upper control arms will help in bring it back to stock specs by lengthening it.
On tie bars, some folks will say they don't do anything at the rear, that sway bars give you more, will it's somewhat true, the sways will give more impact on handling, but look at it this way, why did Honda put 5 tie bars on their ITR's then, (two at the front, upper and lower, at the rear upper and lower, and one more at the back of the trunk. By the way I noticed a big difference when I added the top one, not much for the bottom one.
Also why I'm so down on coilovers (I guess I should explain why) is because they use shorter springs so the spring rate is high to begin with to provide damping/oscillation/rebound, but the shock has to do more or most of the work, not the spring as with a stock setup and you can loose the contact patch on the tires with the road. I'm sure you've seen pictures of cars going on a corner with only three wheels to the ground right when pushing it. That's why you don't want it to overly stiff overall, but still have some stock travel to keep it from doing that. With coilovers, if they bottom out your whole frame on the car is acting as the spring causing that behavior, not good, not good at all for control. Besides the changes in stock suspension geometry points with a very low car and ride quality (very bumpy).
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tchlink:top:us
would those work good ? if you cant read the link its ebay item number 330115689607
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">From what I have in the book, is no (for '90-'93 Intregra, that's the one you posted on the link), '94-'00 Intregra yes, same as the del Sol, both use the same part numbers.Quote:
Originally posted by stylpntbil:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tchlink:top:us
would those work good ? if you cant read the link its ebay item number 330115689607
What's weird is the '92-'95 Civic uses a different part number, but I would think it would be the same as the del Sol since you can use suspension parts from them as well as the Intregra (years '94-'00). Go fiqure.
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thanks for the info like always you have been a great help on the subject
i believe the torque specs on the rar lower control arms is..."tight". lol . I'd really look into saving the money you'd spend on strut bars and put it into a better spring/coilover setup. You can always go with the ground control springs or sleeved coilovers with custom spring rates. Strut bars are REALLY over rated if you ask me, the biggest problem on our cars is the center of the chassis, not so much the outter extremeties(sp).
I wish they made a "butterfly" brace for del sols just like how they make them for miatas. those things look badass.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yep, the weight is suppose to be on the "ground" to do the final torque setting.Quote:
Originally posted by pLaYbOi:
i believe the torque specs on the rar lower control arms is..."tight". lol . I'd really look into saving the money you'd spend on strut bars and put it into a better spring/coilover setup. You can always go with the ground control springs or sleeved coilovers with custom spring rates. Strut bars are REALLY over rated if you ask me, the biggest problem on our cars is the center of the chassis, not so much the outter extremeties(sp).
I wish they made a "butterfly" brace for del sols just like how they make them for miatas. those things look badass.
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hey geo, I have kind of the same ? but I couldn't get a straight and true answer out of reading the earlier posts on this. So here is the problem just it does as well feel light in the rear but I am goin to put a sub box in the truck that would give a good bit of weight over the rear about 40 to 60 pounds. I am wondering, I want to either put on the strut bars top and bottom front and rear or just go with the sway bars for now and get the strut bars later. The car is a 93 si, stock motor and suspension for the moment and really like the corners mostly I want to do road racing and things of that nature so corners are the main coarse. I have heard that strut bars do add some feel to the steering and handling of the cars but bars give you alot more for the roughly same amount of money. I was also wondering if the sway bars are the way to go which setup would be the best to go with since you mentioned the bars for an s model that doesn't come with a front bar. I am more than willing to get lower arms first and get it ready for the bar than just throw it on there and find out when I go to put them on that I need more parts to finish. I don't mind using integra or other honda bars but I would like to stay within the del sol specific bars as what I myself believe is that they are more suited to that specific chassic. As again any help is definitely appreciated and sorry about not being at the meet I unfornately got called in to work. But for sure I will be at the next meet
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">OK, first thing about the bars. You have sway bars and then tie bars, I know some people get them confused as to which is which. As to which to get first, I would go with the sways, front then rear, (if you're on a budget which most of us are) you'll get more "feel/bang" for the money, then put the ties on, front upper, then do the rear upper, then go to the lower ones. On the sways the Intrega front bar is the same as used on the DOHC VTEC models and would be easier to find, the rear is a bit smaller then the DOHC VTEC, or you could go with an aftermarket of 19mm so you don't have to reinforce the rear mounting points as you would with bigger bar or go with a package deal that includes the flat plate tie (the rear sway then mounts to it) acrossed that area to reinforce it from tearing out.Quote:
Originally posted by Delsolboy:
hey geo, I have kind of the same ? but I couldn't get a straight and true answer out of reading the earlier posts on this. So here is the problem just it does as well feel light in the rear but I am goin to put a sub box in the truck that would give a good bit of weight over the rear about 40 to 60 pounds. I am wondering, I want to either put on the strut bars top and bottom front and rear or just go with the sway bars for now and get the strut bars later. The car is a 93 si, stock motor and suspension for the moment and really like the corners mostly I want to do road racing and things of that nature so corners are the main coarse. I have heard that strut bars do add some feel to the steering and handling of the cars but bars give you alot more for the roughly same amount of money. I was also wondering if the sway bars are the way to go which setup would be the best to go with since you mentioned the bars for an s model that doesn't come with a front bar. I am more than willing to get lower arms first and get it ready for the bar than just throw it on there and find out when I go to put them on that I need more parts to finish. I don't mind using integra or other honda bars but I would like to stay within the del sol specific bars as what I myself believe is that they are more suited to that specific chassic. As again any help is definitely appreciated and sorry about not being at the meet I unfornately got called in to work. But for sure I will be at the next meet
A warning to everyone, don't ever put just a rear sway on if you don't have a front sway ('93-'95 S models), otherwise even if it's dry out you can swap ends if you have to brake fast, wind gust, etc (we had a member that did just that after I told him not to). Very scary handing with only a rear sway (Over-steering big time, very hard to control. Most stock factory cars are made to under-steer, much easier to control).
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