why join this board?

This is in response to a growing concern I have for the HOD board.

This message board has always been a great place to get info, get advice and share thoughts.

Recently, I've noticed people who join the board for, in my opinion, the wrong reasons.

So I'll ask to anyone, why join this board if you're not going to contribute? Is this just a place to get bootlegs for some people?

My thoughts are that this board is a place to learn. VC bootlegs are definately an ispiration, to say the least. But what I've realized recently is that a stack of VC bootlegs isn't going to make me a better drummer. I'm not even sure I've watched/listened to all of the ones I have. Practice and dedication/self determinism is what it takes to get better.

Hmmm. I dont really see where you're going with this. First off, the ONLY thing anyone wants to do on this board is make themselves better musicians; not just drummers, but listeners, appraisers, fans, etc. I think on this board we are a wee bit obsessed with Vinnie, granted, but we dont (or i dont) consider the process of watching a vinnie bootleg i dloaded off the interweb something thats going to be a real progression to my playing. Like you said, it's inspiration. And i dont think it's really anything significant. Personally, i think Vinnie is something special, but i think there are plenty of cats we can learn loads from too. But i think this board does have a broad range, it's just we choose to talk about a specific area. Most guys here (i'm kinda speculating here, correct me if i'm wrong) would probably have big record collections, with not just fusion, but with different stuff - prog, rock, country, pop, older stuff like motown and rocknroll etc. I think as drummers we've kinda whittled it down to that specific type of fusion that seems to be talked about quite a lot, and i dont think this is particularly a bad thing. And i dont think it's the reason people would join this board either, which, i think, is what you're trying to get at here. From what i've read, all new people (and anyway, what is this, a CS n00b slaughter FFS? lol) tend to just want an innocent chat about drums and stuff, and get their questions answered. I guess they've read the board and realised that we're all kinda obsessed with Vinnie to an extent, but that's not why they're here. I know when i came that wasn't my raison d'etre (or shouldn't that be raison de se joindre?), as it were. Of course, this is all from my own observations, and to be honest, i haven't really noticed this kind of behaviour too much...

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ December 10, 2005 05:34 PM: Message edited by: LDGuy ]</font>

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Originally posted by D.Seipel:
This is in response to a growing concern I have for the HOD board.

This message board has always been a great place to get info, get advice and share thoughts.

Recently, I've noticed people who join the board for, in my opinion, the wrong reasons.

So I'll ask to anyone, why join this board if you're not going to contribute? Is this just a place to get bootlegs for some people?

My thoughts are that this board is a place to learn. VC bootlegs are definately an ispiration, to say the least. But what I've realized recently is that a stack of VC bootlegs isn't going to make me a better drummer. I'm not even sure I've watched/listened to all of the ones I have. Practice and dedication/self determinism is what it takes to get better.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I agree with your premise. And to a degree there is some very informed information shared here. But, in addition to the video clips, performance notices, etc., I too would like to see more discussion about technique, musicianship (all aspects), professionalism and GEAR! [img]tongue.gif[/img] JMHO.

I apologize for not being very clear. The problem I have is with people who only post to ask," Can someone get me <insert some bootleg here>?" or any post (their first few posts) that is derogatory toward others. Name calling, uncalled for insults, etc.

Question: What are the posting policies for HOD?

I don't want this board turning into something like (from what I've heard) the Pearl Drummer's forum.

Let's concentrate on keeping the topics free from insults, immature rederick, etc. That's all.

I know what you mean. It's not like it was a couple of years ago.
I like spirited discussions and debates, since we can get a different perspective on an issue than we've heard before. Understanding someone else's viewpoint has help shape my own. Unfortunately, I've noticed an increase of hostility between posters which serves to kill thoughtful discussions. Passion is one thing, hostility is another. After all, just because you disagree with someone, doesn't make them wrong. I've purposely stayed out of some threads just because of all the hostility. Who needs it? Besides, it's just juvenile. It's kind of telling that Steve had to write a little warning about these issues at the new Forum.

I think it's great that people share torrents, or transcriptions or Mp3's here, since they can be educational and inspiring. Hopefully, they won't take the place of respectful and intelligent threads about drumming, drummers and music. But, I suppose that's entirely up to us.

I'm not too concerned about it really. When you're dealing with people in numbers, over time it will evolve into something different than what it was. However I think as a result of the level of knowledge and maturity on here the standard has remained. Not to mention I don't really hesitate to ban someone if I think they may give someone else a reason to stop coming here (other than disagreeing with them).
Also if someone wants to join and only lurk, or ask for boots, I dont have a problem with that. I have a problem with someone that joins and straight away begins promoting themself or something theyre involved with. Considering 100 people have signed up for the new forum still in the test phase, and the fact that guys like Husband and Erskine post here I'm pretty happy with how things are. God knows who reads and hasn't signed up (ATTN LURKERS: SIGN UP AND CONTRIBUTE, YOU LACKEYS). [img]wink.gif[/img]
I appreciate anyone's concern, and as always if there's someone that you think is ruining it for others, just constact me or a Mod and we'll handle it.

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ December 10, 2005 07:33 PM: Message edited by: Steve Holmes ]</font>

Of course you are not concerned Steve. It is a forum. A forum, Dan, is a place where anyone can say anything, and people respond. If you do not admire a particular topic, then chose not to view it. You are in no position to judge a topic if that topic is helpful to others.

In my case about 70% of the topics are a waste of space. That's my opinion, so I will not even click on them. You can do the same. It does not mean those topics will not inspire and/or help someone else.

There is something here for every drummer. That is what makes thie the best drum forum on the net. Maybe others will learn from countless Vinnie bootlegs. If you do not, then it is not your concern. There are drummers in here who love to hear about Virgil Donati clinics over and over. There are some who admire those who can play the fastest. I may state my opinion every now and again, however if you're not a fan of those topics, then why read them?

Heated debates are fun and produce results. How boring is a forum where we all agree. Ahhh yes this one is God, and that one is amazing. Oh please friends. Opinions and heated debates are fun. I believe I'm the only member in this forum who actually caused Peter Erskine to be honest about jazz and playing superflous notes in jazz. He spoke from his heart when I spoke from mine. There is nothing wrong with this.

In other words, to each his own, and unless someone is utterly offensive, well......WHO CARES?

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ December 11, 2005 12:11 AM: Message edited by: Groovesmitty ]</font>

Well I joined this board for the free "HOD" coffee mug....as well as the wealth of knowledge that can be learned by reading,listening and watching the many different posts.....

However I have yet to recieve my mug?!?!

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Originally posted by Degas:
Well I joined this board for the free "HOD" coffee mug....as well as the wealth of knowledge that can be learned by reading,listening and watching the many different posts.....

However I have yet to recieve my mug?!?!

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Deg, Don't worry about it man, there's no way that you can drink coffee from a mug with those sticks in your nose anyway. LMAO. [img]graemlins/cry.gif[/img]

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ December 11, 2005 11:58 AM: Message edited by: Henry II ]</font>

I too would like to see more discussion about technique, musicianship (all aspects), professionalism and GEAR!

Start a thread.

yeah...I've been thinking of getting them removed.. they have really been holding me back....

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Note to self: Never borrow his sticks....

I like this message board because it's great to read about real people using different gear and being in different situations... I mean who cares if Dave or Vinne break a throne, or a stand because of endorsements it doesn't matter much - for us non-famous drummers it is useful to hear about "this,that,who,what,when,where, & how"

Also it's great when there's the occasional post of a video clip or mp3 file (although I personally still don't have an account on Dime!)

But overall, it's reading about what other drummers are doing all over the place. It's informative, entertaining, and really as enjoyable as reading any drum-based magazine!

Paul

Dude, did you just drop acid and watch the Passion of Christ? If so, it'll all be over in about six more hours. Wait it out....

I ... er ... well ...

WTF just happened? [img]graemlins/wonder.gif[/img]

I don't want anyone kicked off from this board. I certainly doubt that I have the "pull" to accomplish that anyway.

Your response above is more appropriate than others I've read and that's good. All that I personally want from 'posters' is intelligent conversation with insight and thought put into what they're saying, not insults & such. That's all. I'm not usually so harsh, but fundamentalism is something that rubs me wrong.

In response to your "fundamentalist creationism propaganda", here's my own propaganda: section on creation: take this conversation away from HOD please
I have too much respect for this board & Steve to let this thread run out of control into different topics.

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Dude, did you just drop acid and watch the Passion of Christ? If so, it'll all be over in about six more hours. Wait it out....

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LMAO. Sounds like you know the routine well. [img]wink.gif[/img]

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ December 13, 2005 08:33 AM: Message edited by: Henry II ]</font>

Hi guys,

I must say that I'm rather disappointed that people aren't allowed to speak whatever they want on this message board without being censored. If that's the way it's going to be than maybe the name of the message board should be changed to "Totalitarianism chat" since not everybody here believes in the freedom of speech (that includes insulting people).

It's funny that when somebody says something that another doesn't like that they immediately want them thrown off the site (not allowed to post anymore). "Daniel Seipel" obviously wants me off! I may not have liked what "Henry II" had to say about Vinnie in Miami, but I never went as far as to say that he should be rid of or not allowed to post, etc.

I just wanted to add, when it came to the violence issue, that I believe most people know that many, many have been killed in the name of GOD. And, that was wrong; I think most people ("believers" included) know that too. However, times have changed. Ask yourself if you have ever had the feeling of walking home at night in fear of being lynched by a Christian because you don't believe in what they do, in this day and age? I seriously doubt it.

And, like "JoesMechanic" pointed out earlier - how could anybody who is a fan of Vinnie or Abe Laboriel go to see them (AT A CHURCH) and expect them to NOT talk about there faith, especially when it's so widely known that they are outspoken Christians? I don't believe that Vinnie fans are that ignorant.

And, I just don't believe that Vinnie and those guys were proselytizing. I was there; I saw and heard them. Those guys spoke from the love within their hearts. It was all very personal. How could anybody be offended by that (love)? However, I've thought about it and I feel bad for the way I attacked "Henry II" and I apologize for being rude and insulting him and his friends; and to anybody else I may have offended. I hope we can still be friends.

I will leave you with this thought though:

In order for life to have appeared spontaneously on Earth, there first had to be hundreds of millions of protein molecules of "the ninth configuration" (.09). But given the size of mass of the planet Earth, do you know how long it would have taken for just one (1) of these protein molecules to appear entirely by chance? Roughly ten to the two hundred and forty-third power - trillions of years (for just one complete complex molecule)! And, I find that far, far more difficult to believe, that life could ever just happen by spontaneous chance, than simply believing in GOD (The Creator).

"I pity the man who says there isn't a Supreme Being?every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe - a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble. In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort, which is indeed quite different from the religiosity of someone more naive." - Albert Einstein

GOD Bless!!!

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Oh Yeah,

I guess I'll have to put these comments here since the other topic has been closed.

I mainly stopped using my !!!!!!!!! because Steve Holmes pointed it out to me so humorously. I wasn't aware that I did that so much until then.

Another thing that funny is how Daniel Seipel called me a 17 year old, etc., etc.

I guess "Danny" would know since it's normally only teenagers who would ever have a picture of "Wolverine" in their posts!

Enjoy those comic books buddy?! Ha, ha, ha!!!

Hey dude, Mr Freak, you really make me laugh. Hahaha.

Yes.

And comics aren't just for kids, ya know.

And dont hurt anyone, it's not a toy.

Yes.

I take it back, I do want you kicked out.

Your constant personal attacks, lack of respect for others and overall rudeness is the reason. I've made every attempt at responding to your posts with as much respect as I can considering the tone, attitude and harshness of what you post.

If I'm equally harsh in what I post, it's only due to provocation.

Let me ask you, since you've joined this board, what have you contributed? How have your posts been helpful to others? What can you possibly accomplish by insulting others besides a shallow sense of self-gratification? How's that working for you? If you are here just to make shallow, cowardice comments with no real value to any topic, then for the common good of this board, piss off.

It's people like you that make the internet a horrible place to communicate ideas, share thoughts, express themselves intelligently.

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I must say that I'm rather disappointed that people aren't allowed to speak whatever they want on this message board without being censored.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Let me clarify for you. Portions of the internet meant to have interaction such as forums are not "public" places where freedom of speech is protected. Anyone can choose to open a forum. I did, and am fortunate enough to have people want to discuss our common interests in my forum. However, since it is mine I am free to create and enforce restrictions as I see fit. I have chosen only one real restriction, and that's not to insult people.
I find it interesting that you're disappointed you can't insult people. You can, just not here.
Allow me to respectfully remind you that it is possible to present yourself in a certain fashion on the internet. Since it's only words, what you say and how you say it pretty much forms people's opinion of you. If you're not concerned with what others think then you can pretty much act a fool and not care. However since you're trying to convince people that God exists I can only assume you DO care what people think. If that's the case you might want to re-read some of your posts and finish this statement:
I'm the guy that _________________________.

Hey guys,

Why is everybody so serious? Relax. Can't you tell when somebody's playing with you?

Guess who???

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ December 14, 2005 10:34 PM: Message edited by: Suspiria ]</font>

Well, I think this board is a place
to be because there are great people
here. These people are people that
have a lot to teach us.

There's great advice. There's intim-
ate conversation. There's great info
on gear. There's great music and dif-
ferent ideas on how to approach it.
There's funny threads and good jokes.
There's cool videos and blasts from
the past and shared journey's; not
to mention some incredible stars in
the field (Gary, Pete, Alex, Pedro,
Michael and there's more of you)!

Where else can you find all this?!

Just to have one of those guys, it
would be worth it and check out the
host's chops! This is a cool place
and worth keeping cool, not through
censorship but through consideration
and appreciation!

Thanks, everyone! I learn something
from you guys, almost every day!

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I totally agree, I just get tired of all the 'flaming' that goes on from some people.

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Hey guys,

Why is everybody so serious? Relax. Can't you tell when somebody's playing with you?

Guess who???

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I give up. Is it Jesus?

DS,

BELIEVE ME, I resonate. I figure
the best way to stop it is not to
do it. Every bit of positive energy
contributes. EVERY BIT.

Thanks for being a part of that.

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Originally posted by Steve Holmes:
However, since it is mine I am free to create and enforce restrictions as I see fit. I have chosen only one real restriction, and that's not to insult people.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Steve, i REALLY appreciate you. For your lessons, for the boots that you shared all this time, for hosting this forum, for your opinion on different topics as an experienced drummer... but, i read you a couple of times sayng that this forum is YOURS. Don?t get me wrong, i love this place and i BELIEVE that is really important to have moderators, and i agree a 100% that not insult people is a must for a forum like this one.
But this forum has no owner, just like the internet. All the great things about the net has nothing to do with AOL or ATT or Microsoft... My point of view is that the forum belongs to each member that makes worthy to come back every day and keep posting, etc. etc.
Anyway, i think that i like better the idea that this forum has no owner... that is just the effort of a bunch of drummers that like to hang... (and we have a couple of star moderators, btw) [img]wink.gif[/img]

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But this forum has no owner

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Steve started the forum. How can it not be his? Of course it is his. Had he not created it, you and me would be somewhere else posting. It was created by him from his own efforts. I mean these things are not created out of thin air.

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ December 15, 2005 06:08 PM: Message edited by: Thomas Rieck ]</font>

Vinniefreak?? Dude??

I PM'ed you with a note to chill and be respectfull of others here. Not that I'm not guilty of attacking when I've been attacked, but there's a line and diplomacy dictates that line. You can argue a point logically without offending others here and you would be respected for it.

Vinniefreak... not that age is an issue with me, but I was just curious as to how old you are?

Dude... there are sooooo many cool cats here, trust me. You'd have to meet some of the people in person. An amazing grouping of people that have alot to share with you, as I'm sure you have to share with others here. Trust me. Just let your defenses down for a second and you'll realize that were all part of a huge family.

As written in the bible, "love thy enemy".

Holmes pretty much just sits back & let's us all chill here [or run amok] until those who will, cross the line into 3rd-grader flame-wars.

Very LITTLE censorship except in those rare circumstances, at least as far as I've been lurking around &/or posting [several years].

Pete C, as per his usual, described my overall sentiment as well, i think.

It IS Steve's forum on the bottom line. And yet by his same volition, it is ALL ours as well.
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