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Everyone aware of these? I have to admit, I'd never heard of them before but someone
on another board is adamant they exist. I thought he was referring to sextuplets and quintupets. Can anyone shed some light on exactly how these work? I googled and there are references to these but explanations are somewhat confused and vague. One site said there isn't specifically a sixlet but went on to sort of explain what it is.
I'm guessing groups of 6 beats in 4 counts and 5 beats in 4 counts... ?
they are definetely not a note value....as chris said, they could be a name for groupings of notes...or maybe this guy has them conufsed with quintuplets etc
In my experience, they're the same thing. Sevenlet, ninelet also. Its just a different way to refer to it. I think "6 over 4" or "5 over 4" would be called just that "X over 4".
When was in DCI and Drumlines in the early '90's, more and more guys started using those terms, just a product of the then-burgeoning culture of modern rudimental drumming. And since most of those guys grew up to play drum set, it crossed over.
Or maybe, its a secret term that I'm not cool enough to know.
This started because this guy mentioned paradiddle-diddles as being cool to play as sixlets. He said 'there is such a thing as a sixlet. aka 6 over 2'
Isn't 6 over 2 a sextuplet?
quintuplets or sextuplets, from what i had gathered so far...were groups of 5 (quintuplets) played in 1 beat.
whilst sextuplets were a group of 6 played in one beat (like a 16th note triplet)
Yeah I know what sextuplets and quintuplets are [img]tongue.gif[/img] Just not sure if this guy is referring to the same things or whether he means some other grouping, he's kind of vague. But 6:2 suggests to me that it's the same as a sextuplet. There's hardly anything about sixlets on the net so I'm wondering how common the term is or how much it's used. Seems to be used in drumline circles from what I can see. But he said he doesn't know any musicians who don't know what sixlets, fivelets, etc are. My intial thoughts were that there were people who were incorrectly calling sextuplets as sixlets, but it seems to be a valid name.
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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sorry greasleg, missed your post. So it seems they are the same thing.Quote:
Originally posted by Greaseleg:
In my experience, they're the same thing. Sevenlet, ninelet also. Its just a different way to refer to it. I think "6 over 4" or "5 over 4" would be called just that "X over 4".
When was in DCI and Drumlines in the early '90's, more and more guys started using those terms, just a product of the then-burgeoning culture of modern rudimental drumming. And since most of those guys grew up to play drum set, it crossed over.
Or maybe, its a secret term that I'm not cool enough to know.
Greaseleg is right.
Cool. But if a sixlet is the same as a sextuplet, and a sextuplet is 6 over 2 ( ie,
six 1/16th notes in the space of 2 normal 1/8th notes), what is the 6 over 4 that greaseleg mentioned? Or am I getting my maths wrong?
Rudy, I think they are the same thing with two different names. Sixlet could be short for Sextuplet etc.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Isn't 6 over 2 just a triplet? Anyway, I think Greasleg is probably right. A fivelet is probably the same thing as a quintuplet - ie: subdividing a quarter note into 5's.Quote:
Originally posted by Rudy_Ment:
This started because this guy mentioned paradiddle-diddles as being cool to play as sixlets. He said 'there is such a thing as a sixlet. aka 6 over 2'
Isn't 6 over 2 a sextuplet?
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 13, 2006 08:32 PM: Message edited by: Henry II ]</font>
Oh I'm not disputing greaselegs post at all regarding sixlets, sevenlets, etc existing and being the same as tuplets.
Just wondering about the other bit.
Well, a regular 1/8th note triplet would be 3 over 2, and since a sextuplet is basically a doubled up 1/8th note triplet ( or six 1/16th notes in the same space ), I guess 6 over 2 is a sextuplet.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">An 8th note triplet is 3 over 1 quarter note = 6 over 2 quarter notes. A sixlet/sextuplet is all still triplets no matter how you want to look at it. Even if you subdivide quarternotes by 6 that would still be 16th note triplets.Quote:
Originally posted by Rudy_Ment:
Oh I'm not disputing greaselegs post at all regarding sixlets, sevenlets, etc existing and being the same as tuplets.
Just wondering about the other bit.
Well, a regular 1/8th note triplet would be 3 over 2, and since a sextuplet is basically a doubled up 1/8th note triplet ( or six 1/16th notes in the same space ), I guess 6 over 2 is a sextuplet.
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 13, 2006 09:43 PM: Message edited by: Henry II ]</font>
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">An 1/8th note triplet amounts to 1 quarter note but it's 3 notes fitting into the space of 2 regular 1/8th notes.Quote:
Originally posted by Henry II:
An 8th note triplet is 3 over 1 quarter note = 6 over 2 quarter notes. It's still triplets.
Ok, my brains sort of functioning now I think, greaseleg is right about the 6 over 4.
3 over 2 for 1/8 note triplets because of the 1/8 note triplet fitting into the space of
2 regular 1/8 notes, and,
6 over 4 for sextuplets because it's six 1/16th notes fitting into the space of 4 regular 1/16th notes.
...of course then there is the mind-boggling nanolet and nanotuplet. [img]wink.gif[/img]
You're thinking of the new ipods, chris. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
...yeah I must be. Gotta get me one of those!
You gotta chris, it's great for practising with. So easy to carry around, ( compared to old CD walkmans ), and the moment you're behind a kit, you can just turn it on and play along. Have mine clipped all the time to my belt, and inears in my pocket. I have a regular mini, not the nano.
Louie and I noticed that weckl at his clinic was using his ipod for playing to his tunes.
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 13, 2006 11:53 PM: Message edited by: Rudy_Ment ]</font>
Sounds like someone was lazy, so they decided to knock off a syllable. It is the never ending world of music slang.
A fivelet, for example is five notes in the space of a quarter note.Pretty much ending something in "-let" implies that number of notes per beat.
5 over 2 is a polyrhythm, a superimposing of one rhythm on top of another. 3 over 2 and 3 over 4 are probably the most common polyrhythms, because they're combined rhythm is easy to identify. It can also be spreading, in 5 over 2, for example, five notes over two beats. It all depends on which value of note they're played over. (A big part of Vinnie's phrasing approach.)
Ok, good explanations, but what do you call it when a guy is %@&!ing two girls?
- a chicklet
It's what I refer to as 2:1, lol.
...couldn't resist.
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 14, 2006 05:23 PM: Message edited by: D.Seipel ]</font>
Well, maybe us brits are even more behind the musical terminology times than i thought, but there is no such thing as a fivelet. A quintuplet however...
Drum Corps is forging the way to the future or rhythmic terminology in my opinion. They routinely play figures like that so they have to find easy and quick ways to describe them. A ten-let is easier to figure out than a dectuplet. How about a 11-let, that would be a .....???!!!
Drum corps guys also might refer to sixteenth note quintuplets as "20th notes", even though there is no such thing. A septuplet can be thought of as "28th notes".
It's just verbal shorthand.
Brad,
Yeah, your right...
I just get worried as I went to a clinic a couple of years ago over here with a, at the time, name UK drummer, and in one of the handouts he provided (very good that he thought a head and prepared some) but he kept reffering to "quadtriplets"
This was all over his sheet. This drummer also has and instructional package out by the way, and for weeks i was having to tell my students that there was no such thing, it was just a term he used to describe playing to notes RL in hands followed by the same thing in the feet.
"So, it sounds like weve got some pretty good drummers in the audience tonight, but do any of you know what a quadtriplet is...?"
- insert steve's crickets mp3...
"Come on guys, they told me the drummers were well educated up here."
- WE are.... (Relatively)
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The only time I've seen these terms is in, like what Greaseleg was saying, drum corps/rudimental literature. Actually come to think of it, in his snare book "The Next Level" Jeff Queen uses the fivelet, sixlet etc. terms in place of the usual quintuplet, sextuplet, etc. terms for groupings over one beat.
Quads! Well, a quadruplet, would be fine if you're talking about an artificial grouping of four notes in a compound time signature. For example, for eighth notes in the space of three in 12/8 time. But from your comment I'd bet he was just referring to 1/16th notes in 4/4.
UK drummers use quavers, semi-quavers,etc. I can never keep those terms straight.
Brad
Yes indeed brad, he was talking 16th notes (I mean semi quavers... [img]wink.gif[/img] )
What was alarming was that 'quadtriplets' reffered specifically to the one pattern, but he was talking about it like it say, an actual musical term we should all be familier with, shame on us teachers for only using real words...
The quadruplets / fivelets ETC ETC i think i can live with!
My drumming background isn't very extensive, but its enough to tell what's goin on. Anybody that cares about fivelets needs help (and possibly a rubix cube). I call triplets X 2 sixlets. If you're playing anything with a time signature too complicated to figure out without a web forum then chances are no one wants to hear it. Just a guess. My two cents. Peace out.