What are they?
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What are they?
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ March 16, 2006 10:28 PM: Message edited by: Tra ]</font>
"'don't you understand?' Jesus asked, 'anything that you eat passes through the stomach and then goes out of the body. But evil words come from an evil heart and defile the person who says them'"
-Matthew 15:16/17/18
"So don't worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will bring its own worries. Today's trouble is enough for today." Matthew 7:34
I used to write down my favorite Bible verses! Here are a few:
John 3:16
John 14:6
You are not a God who takes pleasure in evil; with you the wicked cannot dwell.
~Psalm 5:4
Jesus said to her, ?I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this??
~John 11:25-26
In God, whose word I praise, in God I trust; I will not be afraid. What can mortal man do to me?
~Psalm 56:4
No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
~1 John 2:23
The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
~Psalm 19:1
Love is patient, love is kind. It doesnot envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
~1 Corinthians 13:4-7
And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him.
~1 John 4:16
And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.
~Romans 8:28
What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us?
~Romans 8:31
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 28, 2006 09:40 PM: Message edited by: Tra ]</font>
Here's my favourite.
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Ezekiel 23:19-20 NET
Yet she increased her prostitution, remembering the days of her youth when she engaged in prostitution in the land of Egypt. She lusted after their genitals ? as large as those of donkeys, and their seminal emission was as strong as that of stallions.
Can't wait to hear THIS one preached in church.
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 11, 2007 05:57 PM: Message edited by: stormchaser ]</font>
Put that in context. There is nothing wrong with that verse or any verse in the Bible.
Romans 8:38-39 is one of my favorite Bible Passages. It states:
"For I am convinced that neither life nor death, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to seperate us from the love of God, that is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
I think this passage is a wonderful reminder of how as Romans 8:31 says, "If God is for us, who can be against us?" It is such a comforting verse to me, that no matter what trials arise, nothing, not even demons, will seperate us from God's love.
~Emma
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Didn't say it was wrong, but it's **** funny.Quote:
Originally posted by Tra:
Put that in context. There is nothing wrong with that verse or any verse in the Bible.
Emma--I love those verses too. Romans is one of my favorite books! Great great comfort to be found there! [img]smile.gif[/img]
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sometimes I wish I could read the bible. But I don't like it at all,because it stops and starts in the strangest places, and it makes no sense. I don't know HOW you people get what you do from it.Quote:
Originally posted by Tra:
Emma--I love those verses too. Romans is one of my favorite books! Great great comfort to be found there! [img]smile.gif[/img]
I would reccommend starting in Luke if you really wanted to try and read the Bible.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sometimes I wish I could read the bible. But I don't like it at all,because it stops and starts in the strangest places, and it makes no sense. I don't know HOW you people get what you do from it.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">But you can read the Bible. Would you stop reading a Harry Potter book just because it stops and starts in strange places, or made no sense? I know I wouldn't. I would keep reading until it made sense. You really just need to read through it and think about what it is saying. As Tra suggested, starting in Luke would be a wonderful place, especially since it covers the birth of Jesus.Quote:
Originally posted by zozey:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Tra:
Emma--I love those verses too. Romans is one of my favorite books! Great great comfort to be found there! [img]smile.gif[/img]
But really Zozey, you should give it a try. Also some Scriptures and Bible stories I like are from Genesis 6 and the story of Noah. He was a faithful follower of the Lord, who though others persecuted him and thought him foolish for building the ark, he persisted as the Lord had called him, and the Lord saved him and his family. What a wonderful story of the love of Christ, to save Noah and his family.
Never say you can't read the Bible, because if you can read other books, there is nothing preventing you from reading the Bible-- The Book of Life!
~Emma
I read a lot of it today. I spent most of the time laughinge my *** off. It's even better than the "Book of Morman"
What part did you read? I am very sorry you think it is funny. It is all true. Why can't you accept that? What is holding you back? The lack of scientific proof? Well, science is not everything and it cannot prove everything.
Also some Scriptures and Bible stories I like are from Genesis 6 and the story of Noah. He was a faithful follower of the Lord, who though others persecuted him and thought him foolish for building the ark, he persisted as the Lord had called him, and the Lord saved him and his family. What a wonderful story of the love of Christ, to save Noah and his family.
What a wonderful story?!
What a truly horrible story about a ruthless dictator God who saw fit to drown all of mankind--including, I presume, elderly people, children, and some unborn fetuses I'm pretty sure Tra would normally be concerned about--because he was having a bad day and got annoyed with his creation. Saying "isn't it wondrous that Noah and his family were saved?" is like saying "isn't it great that two people survived that tornado that wiped out a whole town?" Or it's like saying, "oh, what a loving father, to spare his one favorite child after he killed off the rest of 'em."
Please!
Then there's that "beautiful" story about Abraham and Isaac. In this one, God, like some bully of a mob boss, come up with a sadistic test of Abe's loyalty and tells him he has to kill his only son, Isaac. Abe, being a spineless twit, says "well okay, boss" and drags Isaac over to the altar. But Lo! Turns out God's just having some fun, playing a little practical joke. He stops the murder just before the knife hits Isaac's chest, says "Just kidding, Abe! Haw haw, just messin' with you there!"
Is that an example of God's wondrous love? If you think so, I'm afraid your definition of love is pretty screwed up.
God has a perfect plan, and though you don't see it, we can trust that His will is what is best for all of us in the long run.
What you don't seem to understand is that God is perfect and we are not. We deserve to be killed off and to go to **** ... H e l l. God is gracious and good and gave us life anyway. Everything He does is perfect. He is such a good God. [img]smile.gif[/img] He died for us and rose again.
Love is patient, love is kind. It doesnot envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
~1 Corinthians 13:4-7
And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him.
~1 John 4:16
THAT is my definition of love.
That's some lovely, meaningless poetry there, Tra, but how do you reconcile that greeting card smarm with all the truly ugly stories in the bible?
And I am talking about the ugly things GOD does in your holy book, not things people do.
Going back to Abe & Isaac, please answer me: how is God not a total j/erk in this story? Funny, I thought "thou shalt not kill" was a moral absolute. I have NO respect for a God who turns around and says to one of his followers "thou shalt not kill--well, unless I'm in a mood on Tuesday and suddenly decide to tell you you MUST kill your own kid that day. Then you'd better do it! And hey, ya know what? I think I'll off my own son while I'm at it, too."
I know you won't answer my question here--you'll just spout another glazed-eyed it's God's plan yay God yay Jesus He's so perfect He's so dreamy Amen at me. But maybe a thinking person is reading this board and they might get something out of what I'm saying.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I was just reading the story of Abraham and Isaac today, and was yet again reminded how God truly cares for his people. If you start at the beginning of the story, you will note that Abraham and his wife Sarah were barren, but God blessed them with a child Isaac in their old age. God was not being a "total **** " by having Abraham sacrifice his son, but he was testing his servant Abraham, to see if he truly loved the Lord his God. Which he did, otherwise he would not have sacrificed his son. While it may be hard for you to believe that someone could kill their own son, we are to put God, even before our own relatives. This may be a hard concept to grasp, but it is the one and only truth. Abraham showed his loyalty to God, in being willing to sacrifice his son, that is what God was doing. Testing his servant. Abraham passed the "test" and his son was spared, and an alternate sacrifice was provided. Also, if you read more closely does it say that Isaac, his son, was "flailing his arms, pleading not to be killed!"? NO!! He was willing to do what the Lord had commanded as this was the plan the Lord had for him, and he accepted it, knowing it was right!Quote:
Originally posted by the happy heathen:
That's some lovely, meaningless poetry there, Tra, but how do you reconcile that greeting card smarm with all the truly ugly stories in the bible?
And I am talking about the ugly things GOD does in your holy book, not things people do.
Going back to Abe & Isaac, please answer me: how is God not a total j/erk in this story? Funny, I thought "thou shalt not kill" was a moral absolute. I have NO respect for a God who turns around and says to one of his followers "thou shalt not kill--well, unless I'm in a mood on Tuesday and suddenly decide to tell you you MUST kill your own kid that day. Then you'd better do it! And hey, ya know what? I think I'll off my own son while I'm at it, too."
I know you won't answer my question here--you'll just spout another glazed-eyed it's God's plan yay God yay Jesus He's so perfect He's so dreamy Amen at me. But maybe a thinking person is reading this board and they might get something out of what I'm saying.
~Emma
we are to put God, even before our own relatives.
I'm sorry, but that is ****** up.
It's statements like yours above that make me so thankful I'm not religious and am free to be truly ethical. Hallelujah!!
<font color="#a62a2a"><font size="1">[ January 13, 2007 09:26 PM: Message edited by: the happy heathen ]</font></font>
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 13, 2007 09:26 PM: Message edited by: the happy heathen ]</font>
I found some more of my favorite Bible passages:
Philippians 1:21 "To live is Christ and to die is gain."
I love how this verse illustrates how when we are alive we are "in Christ" but when we die, as Christians, we gain eternal life in Heaven.
John 6:27 "Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the son of man will give you."
This is such a good reminder to me about how I need to work for eternal life, not just for this world, but for the one to come. I need to feast my body on the Bible, the Word of God, and not focus so much on things of this world that will be gone when I get to Heaven.
John 6:35 "Then Jesus declared, 'I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty."
This just reinforces John 6:27, and how we need to feed of the Word of the Lord, and we will never be hungry or thirsty, but will be satisfied in the Lord.
John 10:14 "I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me"
This is an excellent reminder to me that God knows each of his sheep(children) and knows us by name, and we in part know him.
John 14:6 "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
This is a reminder for me, that in order to be saved, we must first accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior.
John 15:5 "I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing."
This verse reminds me that without God, I am nothing, and that I need him in my life.
~Emma
These aren't quote from the bible, but they are some of my favorite religion related quotes:
"Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too"
-John Lennon
"I believe there is no god.
Believing there is no god gives me more room for belief in family, sex, Jell-o and all the other things I can prove and that make this the best life I will ever have."
-Penn Jillette
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 13, 2007 09:31 PM: Message edited by: the happy heathen ]</font>
Here is another one.
Jeremiah 29:11, 13 "For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans to give you hope and a future... you will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart."
This is such an encouragement to know that though trials arise, they are all part of God's marvelous plan, and I rejoice that the Lord has my life planned out for me. It is also a good reminder that we must always be seeking the Lord with all our heart, soul, mind and strength!
~Emma
I was just reading the story of Abraham and Isaac today, and was yet again reminded how God truly cares for his people. If you start at the beginning of the story, you will note that Abraham and his wife Sarah were barren, but God blessed them with a child Isaac in their old age. God was not being a "total **** " by having Abraham sacrifice his son, but he was testing his servant Abraham, to see if he truly loved the Lord his God.
Oh, I get it. So God was benevolent enough to bless Abe and Sally with a kid. But then--ZOINKS!--"just kidding, you have to give him back now!" And then once again--ZOINKS!--"just testin' ya there. You can keep him some more, I guess."
Didn't God have anything better to do than act like a 7 yr old on the playground, testing his servant's loyalty and showing off how big he was? Maybe he could have gone back to his magical creation lab and created indoor plumbing or painless childbirth--that would have been a better use of his time.
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 13, 2007 09:40 PM: Message edited by: the happy heathen ]</font>
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">In quoting John Lennon, are you saying wouldn't life be great, if there was no life? If there were no countries, you and I wouldn't be here today. If there was no religion in this world, there would be no world. The world was created by God. If there was no religion, there wouldn't be a world. How can you call that your "favorite religious quote?" One that shows that maybe you wouldn't even exist!? That Jillette quote makes no sense! Maybe you are able to "prove" jello and other things, but you can prove God is there. Read the Bible and there is plenty of proof. You can still love and have a family if you believe in God, nothing says you can't.Quote:
Originally posted by the happy heathen:
These aren't quote from the bible, but they are some of my favorite religion related quotes:
"Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too"
-John Lennon
"I believe there is no god.
Believing there is no god gives me more room for belief in family, sex, Jell-o and all the other things I can prove and that make this the best life I will ever have."
-Penn Jillette
<font color="#a62a2a"><font size="1">[ January 13, 2007 09:31 PM: Message edited by: the happy heathen ]</font></font>
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">God was not acting like a 7 year old at the playground. He was testing his servant, and he was not showing "how big he is" but testing him. In Genesis 22:12 it states, "Do not lay a hand on the boy," he said. "Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son." and verses 17-18 state:I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, 18 and through your offspring [b] all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me." He did this to test Abraham's faithfulness, and though I'm sure it was hard for Abraham, he still willingly did it.Quote:
Originally posted by the happy heathen:
I was just reading the story of Abraham and Isaac today, and was yet again reminded how God truly cares for his people. If you start at the beginning of the story, you will note that Abraham and his wife Sarah were barren, but God blessed them with a child Isaac in their old age. God was not being a "total **** " by having Abraham sacrifice his son, but he was testing his servant Abraham, to see if he truly loved the Lord his God.
Oh, I get it. So God was benevolent enough to bless Abe and Sally with a kid. But then--ZOINKS!--"just kidding, you have to give him back now!" And then once again--ZOINKS!--"just testin' ya there. You can keep him some more, I guess."
Didn't God have anything better to do than act like a 7 yr old on the playground, testing his servant's loyalty and showing off how big he was? Maybe he could have gone back to his magical creation lab and created indoor plumbing or painless childbirth--that would have been a better use of his time.
<font color="#a62a2a"><font size="1">[ January 13, 2007 09:40 PM: Message edited by: the happy heathen ]</font></font>
In quoting John Lennon, are you saying wouldn't life be great, if there was no life?
No, I'm saying wouldn't life be great if utter nonsense (aka religion) wasn't around to cause huge rifts between people, if it wasn't around to cause people to burn witches at the stake and fly planes into buildings. I'm saying wouldn't it be great if people believed in ethics based on what works for society and made decisions based on what makes sense, rather than what some "sacred" but senseless ancient books dictate.
If there were no countries, you and I wouldn't be here today.
Uh, no, actually if my parents hadn't conceived me, I wouldn't be here today.
How can you call that your "favorite religious quote?"
Because, fortunately, those parents who conceived me didn't fill my head with religious claptrap, and I grew up able to think for myself.
That Jillette quote makes no sense!
Well, let me explain it. The idea is, if you don't waste your life obsessing about religion(s), god(s), and potential afterlives, you are free to truly enjoy and appreciate this one life on earth you're guaranteed. When you believe this is the only life you get, you are less likely to squander it.
You can still love and have a family if you believe in God, nothing says you can't.
Yeah, but you said before you have to put God before your family, even your children. And who knows--God might ask you to kill them to prove your loyalty! That is way ****** up, and not the way I would ever choose to live.
He did this to test Abraham's faithfulness, and though I'm sure it was hard for Abraham, he still willingly did it
And that is why I still hold that Abraham was a spineless twit. If anyone, even God, ever commanded me to harm my child, I would refuse, and yes, protecting my child would be worth it for me to suffer an eternity in h-e-l-l.
Now THAT is love.
But I don't squander my life just living as a Christian, but it is quite the opposite, and I live my life thinking each day may be my last, and wanting to live it for God's glory!!
You praise ethics above God's perfect morals? There is no such thing as ethics without God....people would have no morals without God.
The only ones who squander their lives are the ones who live it only for themselves and live in decadence. Not Christians.
Emma has repeatedly explained to you God's reason for testing Abraham. I will try it one last time: God wanted Abraham to bless the rest of the world through Isaac, a direct ancestor of Christ Jesus who saves all who choose Him and grants them all eternal life.
Oh...and don't delude yourself. If there were no religion, there would still be division in the world. People would definately find something to hate about each other. It is human nature to be evil. Christianity is what HELPS LESSEN evil and division in the world. It would be horrible to have a world without Christians.
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 13, 2007 10:36 PM: Message edited by: Tra ]</font>
You praise ethics above God's morals?
Yes. I do.
And I don't believe God "having a plan for the future" excuses his rotten treatment of others. That's like saying the Manson murders were justified because Charles Manson had a master plan the killings fit into.
God does what's best for EVERYBODY. Abraham, Noah, etc. Isaac, too.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, and I'm sure Charlie's plan was what was best for EVERYBODY, too. Sadie, Tex, Squeaky, Sandy, Bobby, Katie, Lulu, Ouisch, Capistrano...Quote:
Originally posted by Tra:
God does what's best for EVERYBODY. Abraham, Noah, etc. Isaac, too.
No. It wasn't.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I skimmed. Some Genesis, some Abraham and Sarah. Course I liked Abraham and Sarah, but they don't exist. look it up. They were a story.Quote:
Originally posted by Tra:
What part did you read? I am very sorry you think it is funny. It is all true. Why can't you accept that? What is holding you back? The lack of scientific proof? Well, science is not everything and it cannot prove everything.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I skimmed. Some Genesis, some Abraham and Sarah. Course I liked Abraham and Sarah, but they don't exist. look it up. They were a story.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What do you mean Abraham and Sarah didn't exist. They existed just as much as you and I exist. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Abraham and Sarah were just a made up story. Also, God said Abraham's descendants would be as numerous as the stars. We are descendants of Abraham. How could we be descendants, the ones as numerous as the sky if Abraham was "just a story" and not a "real person?" Where do you think that it says Abraham was just a story, it isn't in the Bible, so I am not sure where you are getting your information.Quote:
Originally posted by zozey:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Tra:
What part did you read? I am very sorry you think it is funny. It is all true. Why can't you accept that? What is holding you back? The lack of scientific proof? Well, science is not everything and it cannot prove everything.
~Emma
You are right. The bible didn't say that they didn't exist. Scientists looked into it, did research, and guess what they found? Abraham and Sarah were a story.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Where did you find this info, exactly?Quote:
Originally posted by zozey:
You are right. The bible didn't say that they didn't exist. Scientists looked into it, did research, and guess what they found? Abraham and Sarah were a story.