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I am not sure what these are for - I found Uncertain's logs on how to put one in...
I talked to an appliance repair man today and he was all for installing an electronic ignition on my stove. He said that I couldn't get a C.O. on my house without it (certificate of Occupancy). (not that I need one to live here!)
He also warned me about using the pilot at all (waste of gas) and he said I would pay 4 to 5 times more for LP than for natural gas here.
I am feeling muddled. I want only to relate to totally positive excited people like you all (in every area of my life, thank you!)
Any help?
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<font color="#FFFFFF" size="1">[ March 10, 2006 12:29 AM: Message edited by: lowracer ]</font>
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Lowracer, I have to tell you - my 6 year old daughter just came into the room in which I was reading your post and she said "that's that guy who says he juggles dogs"! I guess that stayed in her memory.
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Phoebe, you really do need a safety system.
It is so much more important than the electronic ignition. I really am happy and positive about this subject. I'm positive you need it.
In the event that your oven pilot goes out when you are cooking (low gas pressure or other cause), you could end up with a whole oven full of unburned gas. This happens because the thermostat, sensing the oven is too cold, lets the oven gas flow continue. When you open the door, the unburned gas can explode.
It's a dangerous situation, and it really does happen, even if it's an uncommon event. I know other board members have heard me mention this before, but my grandmother and my brother were each blown across their kitchens by two different malfunctioning gas ovens. They were very lucky. All they lost was their hair and eyebrows, but they could have been badly burned or killed.
I absolutely will not have a gas stove in my house without an oven safety shutoff. Yep, it's a pain in the rear, it's not cheap, and it's what's holding me up at the moment, but it has to happen. Otherwise, my stove will continue to be a piece of furniture.
Smile, smile, and get a safety installed somehow! If you're lucky enough to find someone to do it for you, go that route. Otherwise, do the DIY version, but wait until the instructions are finished. [img]wink.gif[/img]
-jenn
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<font color="#FFFFFF" size="1">[ March 10, 2006 12:30 AM: Message edited by: lowracer ]</font>
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OK, OK I understand I am to get a safety... But why do I read that Chambers had one that we are to emulate? Is it possible that I already will have this thing on my stove???
Pray tell me - what does it do, how does this thing protect me?
P.S. Althea (my daughter, not my stove) now thinks Lowracer is super talented.
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Lowracer, I have to tell you - my 6 year old daughter just came into the room in which I was reading your post and she said "that's that guy who says he juggles dogs"! I guess that stayed in her memory.
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Here's how I understand it.
The most important pieces are a new thermocouple and safety valve. (the oven pilot is replaced, too)
The thermocouple is a little sensor made up of two different metals that are in contact. When this is heated by the pilot flame, a small current is created and flows through a wire to the safety valve.
In the safety valve, the flow of gas to the oven and oven pilot can only flow if the safety valve remains open. This valve is held open by a small electromagnet that depends on the current from the thermocouple.
When the oven pilot goes out, or gets too low to keep the thermocouple tip hot, the current stops flowing, the magnet loses power, and the valve trips closed. Voila. No more gas can flow into the oven. Safe.
In order to get it to work in this manner and have a standing oven pilot, a bit of replumbing of the gas is required. That's my current struggle.
If only understanding how it works were enough to install it...
-Jenn
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Oh, I forgot part of the question. A safety was apparently an option on some C models.
It would be located under the tray in the service cabinet. Remove it, and take a peek. If you had one, you'd see a clunky looking metal device with gas lines running to and from it, and a prominent red button on the top. It would be in the middle, toward the front.
Otherwise, you'd just see a few gas lines.
-j
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Phoebe,
You need to personally check to see if the CHAMBERS that you are getting has or doesn't have a safety system on it. Some came with them new, others were retrofitted.
Then you can decide what to do.
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Chipper congrats! You're starting to sound like Sam and Tom. Maybe after you've practiced on your stove(s) you could fly around the country and help the rest of us out. (I'll cook dinner!)
Ann
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Cool, an original safety system, with the bracket Sam mentioned! Nice. Thanks for the photos, Lori.
I think somebody on this site has installed their safety already. I'm thinking it was Thempikes. Maybe one of them will be able to help. Have they been around recently?
-Jenn
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Lori, I just thought of something. Could you please post a photo of the oven pilot, with and then without the oven burner in place?
If Sam was right, then Chambers used the same pilot I'm having trouble with. Maybe a photo would help point me in the right direction with my project? Any help would be very much appreciated.
-jenn
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Hey, These photos are GREAT! This is the later model, after 1955. Chambers changed from the tall pilot to the Robertshaw Mini-Pilot some time between 1955 and 57. The setup in the wonderfull pictures are probably from a 1957 or later model. You have saved me so much work in trying to get good photos with my old Sony Camera. The photo of the service cabinet floor is fantastic! It shows the 1720 safety valve mounted to the floor. The gas flows from the right side thru the Valve and out on the left to the oven burner and pilot. May I use them on my safety valve thread? Thanks, Sam
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Hello, all, Well is certainly is worthwhile to get up early to check this site! (I don't think I have ever lost so many hours to the internet as I have since I found this site!)
Thank you all for the education - photos and everything! My stove is in Eric the Shipper's truck so I can't verify anything yet...
My stove (yet unamed) looks to me exactly like Miss Penny - the same back splash and the same copper handles (another that was on ebay had steel handles). My seller wrote that mine was a '53 though. I guess they were made later too?
So, If I don't have this safety system on I will need one - does this mean I will have a full time pilot light in the oven? Is this a choice?
Is anyone using an electronic ignition (or would they get banned from the site?)
Lori, what are your plans for Miss Penny?
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<font color="#FFFFFF" size="1">[ March 10, 2006 12:32 AM: Message edited by: lowracer ]</font>
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Sam, feel free to use any or all of the photos. If there are any others that you need, let me know and I'll try to take them tonight.
Phoebe, we are working on different polishing and cleaning techniques. When she is cleaned up, Miss Penny will be hooked up to propane and "assimilated" into the kitchen. (I sound like something out of star trek) You can see her progress and Mrs. Watts at http://www.flickr.com/photos/65836302@N00/
Lori G.
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phoebe9435;
so far you've only lost hours to this discussion board in the early morning, soon it will be days, then months and years, late at night, during work, any and every time of day! sleep will become irrelevant. let's just say you have been assimilated and you don't even have your stove in your front yard yet!
welcome aboard this fun ride!!
annnnt
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Mornin'Ann,
Boy, you've got that right! This is getting to be an addiction for us! Although nothing pertaining to the restortaion process is very difficult, it does take time. And this includes all the extra time I spend here on the net! I thought I could do this, start to finish, in a couple of months but now I'm realizing it diffenitly will be a long term project to do it right! After going through the articles Sam's posting on the safety system, it's fully sunk in what I've got to do. And the time (and $$$) goes on...I'm glad Laura and I really love this stove!
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Jenn -- Sure, but the oven pilot has a cover or some type of protection system.
Burner down and front of cover:
http://static.flickr.com/30/94395947_e8ccb58bb6.jpg
Cover
http://static.flickr.com/18/94395946_d5ec89a273.jpg
Oven Pilot
http://static.flickr.com/25/94395945_32148964a7.jpg
Pilot Close Up
http://static.flickr.com/17/94395944_c00b056254.jpg
I hope this helps. I didn't want to take the burner out, so I just lifted it up and tried to take pictures.
Lori
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Sam, thanks so much for the kind words about the pictures. The camera is a Sony Cybershot DSC-F717. We've been very happy with it.
Ok, now I have to admit my ignorance. I am a blonde, female, left-handed, norwegian, attorney that loves kettle corn and now makes oatmeal in my thermowell every other day. That means I don't know a manifold from a pilot light. My mechanically inclined husband is a helicopter pilot and is currently flying in St. Louis. So, I have no idea if I have taken pictures of what you are looking for. If I have, feel free to use them. If not, please tell me where to go ... kindly, please.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/6583630...7594058288082/
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Hi Lori, You did good. There is not much to see there anyway. Just the fact that there is a plug in the output hole on the thermostat that used to go to the oven pilot and the connection of the oven burner tube that goes across the top of the service cabinet, down the right outside wall and turns left to the new safety valve. thanks for the effort, but I now realize that there wasn't much to see. Thanks again, Sam
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Lori, Thanks for the use of the photos. Yours are so much better than any I have taken with the old Sony. What kind of camera are you using?
Also, could you get a photo of the connection of the pilot tube to the gas manifold. I do not suggest using the original method, but it would be useful to display. It will be connected up high on the manifold. On some years, Chambers put a Tee between the pilot filter and manifold, on others, they drilled and tapped a new hole in the manifold and added another Gas Filter for the oven pilot. Would be interesting to see which one you have. Thanks so much, Sam
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Thanks for the photos Lori!! They're really helpful. I wonder why they put in all that metalwork around the oven pilot?
-jenn
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Sam, is that a good thing or a bad thing?
Jenn, I'm not sure. There is a round circle in the top that has something that feels like paper covering the hole from the back. Then it has another hole in the bottom. I don't know what any of it is for, but it seems to protect the pilot. Any one have any ideas?
Lori
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Well, that papery textured stuff's bound to be more mica.
As for the rest, I think we'll need some more insight from Sam.
-jenn
